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Devious Devices SE 5.0 (2020-11-26)

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3 hours ago, ashpan said:

my mod manager is telling me that there is a script extender plug in error. to be more specific  :-

 

DeviousDevice.dll (00000001 DDiUtil 00000001) is reported as incompatible during query 

error report attached

 

I am using the current script extender which i believe is Current SE Build 2.0.19 (runtime 1.5.97)

 

 

im not sure what this is but im guessing it means Devious devices is not going to work if anyone can help or explain more detail what this means that would be very helpfull thank you 

 

 

I dont think a lot of mods have been updated to use 2.0.19 so its best to try with 2.0.17 which is still available on the SKSE page

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ok so the extender 2.0.19 is a newish release... ok  ty i will keep my eye out for an up date  then np point downgrading now iv almost finished rebuilding my mod list  but ty for the information 

 

i can't find the 2.0.17 version on SKSE page 

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On 10/16/2020 at 9:53 AM, ashpan said:

DeviousDevice.dll (00000001 DDiUtil 00000001) is reported as incompatible during query 

It seems you install wrong version of ddl or even from LE version (manually installed says many) You need in DD 4.3 AIO installer choose none - this ddl version is from SE version and compatible with 2.0.19. Also remove your manually installed ddl.

Without ddl dd works, but occur problems and equip process is painfully slow.

 

 

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My character likes to wear shock piercings to help manage her arousal.   Even if "Spank that Ass" and "Devious Followers" claim she's a bit of a masochist, I'd like to see some in-game negative consequences other than the on-screen message.   How about draining half or all of magicka and stamina when shocked?   Maybe MCM controllable?  Maybe even 0% to 100% sliders?   Maybe even optional health damage for players that want more risk?   Maybe only damage when wearing while unlocked, or more severe when unlocked?  Maybe it only counts as "locked" if the "consume keys" option is on.

 

I'd probably be willing to code this up if I knew that it would be reviewed and might be incorporated.

 

Edit - Never mind; I can see that this should be possible outside of DD itself due to the nicely crafted usage of mod events.

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On 10/15/2020 at 3:30 PM, QueenAlpaca said:

Yeah that's why I am curious about. It seems nobody is going to do the HDT mod for SE.

HDT SMP is what SE has. PE couldn't be ported because the application that was used for it is no longer free.

 

HDT SMP works well for most things, but the chains have a limitation that PE didn't have. So we have converted them as well as as we could. But until someone rebuilds the meshes so they don't encounter the limitation, or until the limitation is removed or fixed in SMP, what we have is about as good as we can get. Keep in mind, those of us who ported the mod are NOT experienced modders - we're stubborn users who did a lot of googling and learning to make the fixes we could so we could keep using these mods in SE.

 

The mentality is 'Can we make it work?' rather than 'Is it perfect?' And it is 'working' now.

If you want perfect, you'll probably see ES 6 come out first.

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On 10/15/2020 at 6:54 PM, Elsidia said:

In simple way answer is: all devices from DDX will be deleted or moved to DDA.

It's support now only time while mod authors rework DDX used restraints to DDA.

If mod is abandoned it will stop working if call device from DDX.

 

It's simply as i see situation.

Items aren't going to be deleted. How the items are selected is changing.

But yes, that change has the potential to break old unsupported mods once the feature is removed.

For DD 5, it's just marked as 'deprecated - don't use'. It's still there for now so nothing 'should' break on this version.

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On 10/16/2020 at 2:53 AM, ashpan said:

my mod manager is telling me that there is a script extender plug in error. to be more specific  :-

 

DeviousDevice.dll (00000001 DDiUtil 00000001) is reported as incompatible during query 

error report attached

 

I am using the current script extender which i believe is Current SE Build 2.0.19 (runtime 1.5.97)

 

 

im not sure what this is but im guessing it means Devious devices is not going to work if anyone can help or explain more detail what this means that would be very helpfull thank you 

 

 

The DD DLL for 2.0.17 works just fine with 2.0.19.

Reinstall the DD AIO installer and select 'none' for the DLL.

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On 10/17/2020 at 9:00 AM, alarish said:

I have a problem with the animations...(when you struggle, and  with the armbinder) they dont work, I still keep my arms at the side (without hands), and stays still when I try to struggle

You ran FNIS right?

 

If you have FNIS Sexy Move, you might need to reset player animations.

 

If you don't have FNIS Sexy Move or something else changing player idles then it could be script lag. There's not much that can be done for that other than removing script heavy mods.

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3 hours ago, Evikleun said:

How can I fix clipping issues with the iron chain  harness? I have already built the morph in bodyslide again and again but somehow this still occurs. 

For what body?

 

If you look at the chain harness in bodyslide, does it show your preset?

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50 minutes ago, zarantha said:

For what body?

 

If you look at the chain harness in bodyslide, does it show your preset?

I use CBBE HDT SMP CBPC. But I don't understand what do u mean by looking at the chain harness in body slide, how can I see the body associated with the outfit?

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12 minutes ago, Evikleun said:

I use CBBE HDT SMP CBPC. But I don't understand what do u mean by looking at the chain harness in body slide, how can I see the body associated with the outfit?

Just to confirm, you're using CBBE SE? Not a conversion of the LE CBBE? Or a newer body like 3BBB?

 

Assuming you're using just CBBE SE, you probably need these:

Presets missing in BodySlide for CBBE SE == https://www.loverslab.com/topic/99700-devious-devices-se-43/?do=findComment&comment=2860643

In progress DD CBBE SE conversion (attempting to complete the CBBE SE coversion(s)): https://mega.nz/file/OvhXVYZb#vnEPbBHMT-FLPSpFlXhoJYE5YX6eXEo7dbd9hM895fs

 

I mean look at the preset. If you don't have a body preset listed when showing the outfit, it won't know how to conform the sliders when you batch build.

image.png.15ec9b6a299de97b8c28eb55d47488fc.png

 

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4 hours ago, zarantha said:

Just to confirm, you're using CBBE SE? Not a conversion of the LE CBBE? Or a newer body like 3BBB?

 

Assuming you're using just CBBE SE, you probably need these:

Presets missing in BodySlide for CBBE SE == https://www.loverslab.com/topic/99700-devious-devices-se-43/?do=findComment&comment=2860643

In progress DD CBBE SE conversion (attempting to complete the CBBE SE coversion(s)): https://mega.nz/file/OvhXVYZb#vnEPbBHMT-FLPSpFlXhoJYE5YX6eXEo7dbd9hM895fs

 

I mean look at the preset. If you don't have a body preset listed when showing the outfit, it won't know how to conform the sliders when you batch build.

image.png.15ec9b6a299de97b8c28eb55d47488fc.png

 

Sorry if I may ask, but what does this CBBE SE that is 500 mb do? I mean I already have CBBE and bodyslide installed, then what is this for? And plus I did a check, and only the chain harness does not have a preset attached, the link you provided is for other devices and the author says it might break the game.

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8 hours ago, zarantha said:

HDT SMP is what SE has. PE couldn't be ported because the application that was used for it is no longer free.

 

HDT SMP works well for most things, but the chains have a limitation that PE didn't have. So we have converted them as well as as we could. But until someone rebuilds the meshes so they don't encounter the limitation, or until the limitation is removed or fixed in SMP, what we have is about as good as we can get. Keep in mind, those of us who ported the mod are NOT experienced modders - we're stubborn users who did a lot of googling and learning to make the fixes we could so we could keep using these mods in SE.

 

The mentality is 'Can we make it work?' rather than 'Is it perfect?' And it is 'working' now.

If you want perfect, you'll probably see ES 6 come out first.

Yes, I appreciate you guys work! I thought there is no HDT version and that's why I said that. Seems it will never perfect until other modders who made the SE's HDT SMP work as same as the original skyrim's. 

 

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8 hours ago, Evikleun said:

Sorry if I may ask, but what does this CBBE SE that is 500 mb do? I mean I already have CBBE and bodyslide installed, then what is this for? And plus I did a check, and only the chain harness does not have a preset attached, the link you provided is for other devices and the author says it might break the game.

It converts some of the original bodyslides that were not converted to the CBBE SE body and fixes some of the others. It won't help you if you are using the LE version of CBBE because the two CBBE bodies are different. That's why I was asking where you got your CBBE from. The presets link fixes the slidergroups so that the presets will show up for DD items.

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5 hours ago, QueenAlpaca said:

Yes, I appreciate you guys work! I thought there is no HDT version and that's why I said that. Seems it will never perfect until other modders who made the SE's HDT SMP work as same as the original skyrim's. 

 

The original modder, hydrogensayshdt is no longer working on HDT. Aers has taken it up now that hydrogensayshdt has released the source code.

So if you get HDT SMP from the Nexus, that's where it's being maintained now. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30872

 

There's a patch for the gloves specifically, and the other HDT fixes we have are in DCL-DD-ZaZ HDT-SMP and other patches. The stuff in the patches should also be included in the AIO, but I pulled everything out separately so I knew what we were working on, and it helps some people to install them again to fix some stuff.

 

DCL-DD-ZaZ HDT-SMP and other patches == https://mega.nz/file/NPgRECpK#3FyfCRIyGagWobZ_uznneC9ajmLtCwEKmp94fglXX5g

DDX HarnessGloves  SMP: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/99700-devious-devices-se-43/?do=findComment&comment=2978556

 

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This is my first time modding skyrim. When I try to load into a save or make a new game the game crashes. I saw an old forum post saying you have to use the command console to load directly into the game, and then load the save (the command they said was COC whiterun). I tried that and the game crashed again. 

 

Here is what my FNIS says:

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FNIS Behavior V7.6 XXL   10/19/2020 10:10:12 AM
Skyrim SE 64bit: 1.5.97.0 - D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\ (Steam)

Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)   male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)
Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations"  
Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix"  

Installing FNIS PCEA2
Reading AnimationsByLeito V1.0 ...     ChAnims:303     CTD:1.8%     pOpt:0.5%
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Aggressive V1.0 ...     ChAnims:145     CTD:0.9%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ...     ChAnims:136     CTD:0.8%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Furniture V1.0 ...     ChAnims:185     CTD:1.2%     pOpt:0.3%
Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ...     ChAnims:193     CTD:2.3%     pOpt:1.4%
        NOTE: Anubs Creature has at least one identical -AV defined in both 's' and '+' line
Reading Anubs Human V1.0 ...     ChAnims:295     CTD:3.6%     pOpt:2.2%
        NOTE: Anubs Human has at least one identical -AV defined in both 's' and '+' line
Reading Billyy_Creature V1.0 ...     ChAnims:482     CTD:6.0%     pOpt:3.7%
        NOTE: Billyy_Creature has at least one identical -AV defined in both 's' and '+' line
Reading DD V4.0.0 ...     ChAnims:635(493)     CTD:11.2%     pOpt:1.0%
Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ...     ChAnims:330(330)     CTD:9.3%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ...     ChAnims:102(102)     CTD:2.5%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ...     ChAnims:410     CTD:2.8%     pOpt:0.9%
Reading FlowerGirls SE - BDSM V1.2.0 ...     ChAnims:396     CTD:2.7%     pOpt:0.9%
        NOTE: FlowerGirls SE - BDSM has at least one identical -AV defined in both 's' and '+' line
Reading FlowerGirlsSE V3.0.2 ...     ChAnims:1618     CTD:7.9%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading FNIS_PCEA2 V7.2 ...     ChAnims:557(557)     CTD:12.0%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading FNISBase V7.6 ...     ChAnims:0     CTD:0.0%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading FNISSexyMove V7.2 ...     ChAnims:21(18)     CTD:3.3%     pOpt:2.2%
        NOTE: FNISSexyMove has at least one AASet definition without any animation files provided
Reading Follow me for Sex V3.4 ...     ChAnims:88     CTD:0.9%     pOpt:0.5%
Reading FunnyBizAmp V8.0 ...     ChAnims:55     CTD:0.4%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading FunnyBizBeastly V1.0 ...     ChAnims:90     CTD:0.6%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading FunnyBizBound V12.0 ...     ChAnims:180     CTD:1.1%     pOpt:0.3%
Reading FunnyBizFC V10.0 ...     ChAnims:146     CTD:0.9%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading FunnyBizFemDom V1.0 ...     ChAnims:85     CTD:0.5%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading FunnyBizFun V12.0 ...     ChAnims:334     CTD:2.0%     pOpt:0.5%
Reading FunnyBizGroup V8.0 ...     ChAnims:471     CTD:3.0%     pOpt:0.8%
Reading FunnyBizGuro V5.0 ...     ChAnims:108     CTD:0.7%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading FunnyBizLover V7.0 ...     ChAnims:156     CTD:1.0%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ...     ChAnims:45     CTD:0.3%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading FunnyBizMolag V1.0 ...     ChAnims:339     CTD:2.1%     pOpt:0.5%
Reading FunnyBizMtb V3.0 ...     ChAnims:23     CTD:0.2%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading FunnyBizNecro V10.0 ...     ChAnims:442     CTD:2.8%     pOpt:0.7%
Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ...     ChAnims:310     CTD:1.9%     pOpt:0.5%
Reading FunnyBizUn V12.0 ...     ChAnims:590     CTD:3.6%     pOpt:0.9%
Reading GSPoser V?.? ...     ChAnims:324     CTD:1.3%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading ITortureFramework V1.00 ...     ChAnims:12     CTD:0.1%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading M2MAnimations V9.0 ...     ChAnims:560     CTD:3.1%     pOpt:0.6%
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ...     ChAnims:344     CTD:2.2%     pOpt:0.6%
Reading NibblesAnims V1.0 ...     ChAnims:411     CTD:2.6%     pOpt:0.7%
Reading ProxyAnims V1.0 ...     ChAnims:48     CTD:0.3%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading RydinAnimationPack V0.5 ...     ChAnims:33     CTD:0.2%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading SexLab V1.62 ...     ChAnims:1025     CTD:6.5%     pOpt:1.7%
Reading SexLabAP V1.63 ...     ChAnims:142     CTD:0.9%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading SexLabAroused V2.9 ...     ChAnims:5     CTD:0.1%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading SexLabCreature V1.61 ...     ChAnims:178     CTD:1.2%     pOpt:0.3%
Reading XPMSE V7.2 ...     ChAnims:164(164)     CTD:2.2%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading ZaZAnimationPack V8.00 ...     ChAnims:1669     CTD:7.9%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading ZaZAnimationPack+ V8.00 ...     ChAnims:42     CTD:0.2%     pOpt:0.0%

All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files...
No GENDER directory male
 18 GENDER modifications for Animations\female
Alternate Animation mods: 7 sets: 73 total groups: 256 added file slots: 2442 alternate files: 1664

Creature Pack not installed

 14227 animations for 46 mods successfully included (character)
ChAnims: 14227(1664)  CTD:116.1%  pOpt:23.7%  max: 12256  LC: 30369 (max. 26162)

>>Warning: Too many custom animations. Your Skyrim is likely to crash (CTD, crash to desktop)<<
You can increase your animation number DRASTICALLY with these tools:
  Animation Limit Crash Fix (Skyrim SE and LE), SSE Engine Fixes (Skyrim SE only)
  Since FNIS cannot know if such mod is installed, it will still warn you at the original limit.
  But when such tool is used, load calculation can be switched off (FNIS.ini: "LoadCTDCalculation=0")
 1 Warning(s).


 

I do have animation limit crash fix installed, I just never went to the load calculation to turn off that warning.

I've also attached my modlist and loadorder files from mod organizer 2.

Thanks in advance for the help :)

modlist.txt loadorder.txt

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27 minutes ago, 051Kurt said:

This is my first time modding skyrim. When I try to load into a save or make a new game the game crashes. I saw an old forum post saying you have to use the command console to load directly into the game, and then load the save (the command they said was COC whiterun). I tried that and the game crashed again. 

 

Here is what my FNIS says:

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FNIS Behavior V7.6 XXL   10/19/2020 10:10:12 AM
Skyrim SE 64bit: 1.5.97.0 - D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\ (Steam)

Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)   male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)
Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations"  
Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix"  

Installing FNIS PCEA2
Reading AnimationsByLeito V1.0 ...     ChAnims:303     CTD:1.8%     pOpt:0.5%
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Aggressive V1.0 ...     ChAnims:145     CTD:0.9%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ...     ChAnims:136     CTD:0.8%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Furniture V1.0 ...     ChAnims:185     CTD:1.2%     pOpt:0.3%
Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ...     ChAnims:193     CTD:2.3%     pOpt:1.4%
        NOTE: Anubs Creature has at least one identical -AV defined in both 's' and '+' line
Reading Anubs Human V1.0 ...     ChAnims:295     CTD:3.6%     pOpt:2.2%
        NOTE: Anubs Human has at least one identical -AV defined in both 's' and '+' line
Reading Billyy_Creature V1.0 ...     ChAnims:482     CTD:6.0%     pOpt:3.7%
        NOTE: Billyy_Creature has at least one identical -AV defined in both 's' and '+' line
Reading DD V4.0.0 ...     ChAnims:635(493)     CTD:11.2%     pOpt:1.0%
Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ...     ChAnims:330(330)     CTD:9.3%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ...     ChAnims:102(102)     CTD:2.5%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ...     ChAnims:410     CTD:2.8%     pOpt:0.9%
Reading FlowerGirls SE - BDSM V1.2.0 ...     ChAnims:396     CTD:2.7%     pOpt:0.9%
        NOTE: FlowerGirls SE - BDSM has at least one identical -AV defined in both 's' and '+' line
Reading FlowerGirlsSE V3.0.2 ...     ChAnims:1618     CTD:7.9%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading FNIS_PCEA2 V7.2 ...     ChAnims:557(557)     CTD:12.0%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading FNISBase V7.6 ...     ChAnims:0     CTD:0.0%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading FNISSexyMove V7.2 ...     ChAnims:21(18)     CTD:3.3%     pOpt:2.2%
        NOTE: FNISSexyMove has at least one AASet definition without any animation files provided
Reading Follow me for Sex V3.4 ...     ChAnims:88     CTD:0.9%     pOpt:0.5%
Reading FunnyBizAmp V8.0 ...     ChAnims:55     CTD:0.4%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading FunnyBizBeastly V1.0 ...     ChAnims:90     CTD:0.6%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading FunnyBizBound V12.0 ...     ChAnims:180     CTD:1.1%     pOpt:0.3%
Reading FunnyBizFC V10.0 ...     ChAnims:146     CTD:0.9%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading FunnyBizFemDom V1.0 ...     ChAnims:85     CTD:0.5%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading FunnyBizFun V12.0 ...     ChAnims:334     CTD:2.0%     pOpt:0.5%
Reading FunnyBizGroup V8.0 ...     ChAnims:471     CTD:3.0%     pOpt:0.8%
Reading FunnyBizGuro V5.0 ...     ChAnims:108     CTD:0.7%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading FunnyBizLover V7.0 ...     ChAnims:156     CTD:1.0%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ...     ChAnims:45     CTD:0.3%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading FunnyBizMolag V1.0 ...     ChAnims:339     CTD:2.1%     pOpt:0.5%
Reading FunnyBizMtb V3.0 ...     ChAnims:23     CTD:0.2%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading FunnyBizNecro V10.0 ...     ChAnims:442     CTD:2.8%     pOpt:0.7%
Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ...     ChAnims:310     CTD:1.9%     pOpt:0.5%
Reading FunnyBizUn V12.0 ...     ChAnims:590     CTD:3.6%     pOpt:0.9%
Reading GSPoser V?.? ...     ChAnims:324     CTD:1.3%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading ITortureFramework V1.00 ...     ChAnims:12     CTD:0.1%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading M2MAnimations V9.0 ...     ChAnims:560     CTD:3.1%     pOpt:0.6%
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ...     ChAnims:344     CTD:2.2%     pOpt:0.6%
Reading NibblesAnims V1.0 ...     ChAnims:411     CTD:2.6%     pOpt:0.7%
Reading ProxyAnims V1.0 ...     ChAnims:48     CTD:0.3%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading RydinAnimationPack V0.5 ...     ChAnims:33     CTD:0.2%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading SexLab V1.62 ...     ChAnims:1025     CTD:6.5%     pOpt:1.7%
Reading SexLabAP V1.63 ...     ChAnims:142     CTD:0.9%     pOpt:0.2%
Reading SexLabAroused V2.9 ...     ChAnims:5     CTD:0.1%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading SexLabCreature V1.61 ...     ChAnims:178     CTD:1.2%     pOpt:0.3%
Reading XPMSE V7.2 ...     ChAnims:164(164)     CTD:2.2%     pOpt:0.0%
Reading ZaZAnimationPack V8.00 ...     ChAnims:1669     CTD:7.9%     pOpt:0.1%
Reading ZaZAnimationPack+ V8.00 ...     ChAnims:42     CTD:0.2%     pOpt:0.0%

All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files...
No GENDER directory male
 18 GENDER modifications for Animations\female
Alternate Animation mods: 7 sets: 73 total groups: 256 added file slots: 2442 alternate files: 1664

Creature Pack not installed

 14227 animations for 46 mods successfully included (character)
ChAnims: 14227(1664)  CTD:116.1%  pOpt:23.7%  max: 12256  LC: 30369 (max. 26162)

>>Warning: Too many custom animations. Your Skyrim is likely to crash (CTD, crash to desktop)<<
You can increase your animation number DRASTICALLY with these tools:
  Animation Limit Crash Fix (Skyrim SE and LE), SSE Engine Fixes (Skyrim SE only)
  Since FNIS cannot know if such mod is installed, it will still warn you at the original limit.
  But when such tool is used, load calculation can be switched off (FNIS.ini: "LoadCTDCalculation=0")
 1 Warning(s).


 

I do have animation limit crash fix installed, I just never went to the load calculation to turn off that warning.

I've also attached my modlist and loadorder files from mod organizer 2.

Thanks in advance for the help :)

modlist.txt 5.56 kB · 1 download loadorder.txt 2.92 kB · 1 download

So what the animation count fix does is allow you to load more animations. It does not mean your PC can *handle* more animations. If you have a lot of mods, that also factors into how many animations can be handled. Also, if you have animation limit crash fix and sse engine fixes, you need to either get rid of the animation crash fix, or disable the animation fix in sse engine fixes (you change the setting in the ini for that mod). You can't use both at the same time.

 

I would try starting with disabling a SLAL pack or two and see if you can load your save. FWIW, the Leito animations haven't been updated in a while, and some of them look dated. I'd start with getting rid of them and the poser animations. Even with a new hefty gaming PC, I find that staying under 100% for the CTD number is the best way to stabilize the game.

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48 minutes ago, zarantha said:

So what the animation count fix does is allow you to load more animations. It does not mean your PC can *handle* more animations. If you have a lot of mods, that also factors into how many animations can be handled. Also, if you have animation limit crash fix and sse engine fixes, you need to either get rid of the animation crash fix, or disable the animation fix in sse engine fixes (you change the setting in the ini for that mod). You can't use both at the same time.

 

I would try starting with disabling a SLAL pack or two and see if you can load your save. FWIW, the Leito animations haven't been updated in a while, and some of them look dated. I'd start with getting rid of them and the poser animations. Even with a new hefty gaming PC, I find that staying under 100% for the CTD number is the best way to stabilize the game.

I disabled both SLAL packs, as well as "FlowerGirls SE", which according to my file search had the Leito animations you mentioned, but the game still crashes when I load a game file.  

Here is my new FNIS

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FNIS Behavior V7.6 XXL   10/19/2020 11:58:17 AM
Skyrim SE 64bit: 1.5.97.0 - D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\ (Steam)

Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)   male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)
Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations"  
Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix"  

Installing FNIS PCEA2
Reading AnimationsByLeito V1.0 ... 
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Aggressive V1.0 ... 
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ... 
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Furniture V1.0 ... 
Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ... 
Reading Anubs Human V1.0 ... 
Reading Billyy_Creature V1.0 ... 
Reading DD V4.0.0 ... 
Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ... 
Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ... 
Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ... 
Reading FlowerGirlsSE V3.0.2 ... 
Reading FNIS_PCEA2 V7.2 ... 
Reading FNISBase V7.6 ... 
Reading FNISSexyMove V7.2 ... 
Reading Follow me for Sex V3.4 ... 
Reading FunnyBizAmp V8.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizBeastly V1.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizBound V12.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizFC V10.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizFemDom V1.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizFun V12.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizGroup V8.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizGuro V5.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizLover V7.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizMolag V1.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizMtb V3.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizNecro V10.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizUn V12.0 ... 
Reading GSPoser V?.? ... 
Reading ITortureFramework V1.00 ... 
Reading M2MAnimations V9.0 ... 
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... 
Reading NibblesAnims V1.0 ... 
Reading SexLab V1.62 ... 
Reading SexLabAP V1.63 ... 
Reading SexLabAroused V2.9 ... 
Reading SexLabCreature V1.61 ... 
Reading XPMSE V7.2 ... 
Reading ZaZAnimationPack V8.00 ... 
Reading ZaZAnimationPack+ V8.00 ... 

All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files...
No GENDER directory male
 18 GENDER modifications for Animations\female
Alternate Animation mods: 7 sets: 73 total groups: 256 added file slots: 2442 alternate files: 1664

Creature Pack not installed

 13750 animations for 43 mods successfully included (character)
ChAnims: 13750(1664)  CTD:112.9%  pOpt:22.7%  max: 12180  LC: 29535 (max. 26162)

I've also reattached the new mod and load orders. My computer was able to handle all of the animations before I installed DD. What else do you suggest I remove to lower the load? 

loadorder.txt modlist.txt

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Is there any chance that the device hider confuses the WornHasKeyword  function?

 

I'm running Devious Followers.   It has various deals that the character can make.  My character has a deal active that requires her to wear an anal plug.   DF has a dialogue topic with a bunch of conditions anded together to check whether or not the character is in violation of the deal.  One condition is using WornHasKeyword(zad_DeviousPlugAnal).

 

I can run for several in-game hours just fine, but then I start getting inappropriate activations on that dialogue topic.

 

I have a bunch of things hidden in the device hider.  I have "Bandolier - Bags and Pouches".   I use a lot of the bags from that mod and use the device hider to hide them for aesthetic reasons.   One of the slots hidden is slot 48 which is what the plugs use.  (Not that the inventory versions of armor records have slots.  Not sure how that works, but it must be some interesting voodoo...)

 

It's hard to imagine, but is there much of a chance that hiding a bunch of slots will somehow cause the device hider to intermittently give incorrect results from WornHasKeyword()?

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11 hours ago, 051Kurt said:

I disabled both SLAL packs, as well as "FlowerGirls SE", which according to my file search had the Leito animations you mentioned, but the game still crashes when I load a game file.  

Here is my new FNIS

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FNIS Behavior V7.6 XXL   10/19/2020 11:58:17 AM
Skyrim SE 64bit: 1.5.97.0 - D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\ (Steam)

Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)   male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)
Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations"  
Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix"  

Installing FNIS PCEA2
Reading AnimationsByLeito V1.0 ... 
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Aggressive V1.0 ... 
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ... 
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Furniture V1.0 ... 
Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ... 
Reading Anubs Human V1.0 ... 
Reading Billyy_Creature V1.0 ... 
Reading DD V4.0.0 ... 
Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ... 
Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ... 
Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ... 
Reading FlowerGirlsSE V3.0.2 ... 
Reading FNIS_PCEA2 V7.2 ... 
Reading FNISBase V7.6 ... 
Reading FNISSexyMove V7.2 ... 
Reading Follow me for Sex V3.4 ... 
Reading FunnyBizAmp V8.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizBeastly V1.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizBound V12.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizFC V10.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizFemDom V1.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizFun V12.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizGroup V8.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizGuro V5.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizLover V7.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizMolag V1.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizMtb V3.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizNecro V10.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ... 
Reading FunnyBizUn V12.0 ... 
Reading GSPoser V?.? ... 
Reading ITortureFramework V1.00 ... 
Reading M2MAnimations V9.0 ... 
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... 
Reading NibblesAnims V1.0 ... 
Reading SexLab V1.62 ... 
Reading SexLabAP V1.63 ... 
Reading SexLabAroused V2.9 ... 
Reading SexLabCreature V1.61 ... 
Reading XPMSE V7.2 ... 
Reading ZaZAnimationPack V8.00 ... 
Reading ZaZAnimationPack+ V8.00 ... 

All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files...
No GENDER directory male
 18 GENDER modifications for Animations\female
Alternate Animation mods: 7 sets: 73 total groups: 256 added file slots: 2442 alternate files: 1664

Creature Pack not installed

 13750 animations for 43 mods successfully included (character)
ChAnims: 13750(1664)  CTD:112.9%  pOpt:22.7%  max: 12180  LC: 29535 (max. 26162)

I've also reattached the new mod and load orders. My computer was able to handle all of the animations before I installed DD. What else do you suggest I remove to lower the load? 

loadorder.txt 2.86 kB · 1 download modlist.txt 5.67 kB · 1 download

DD has a lot of animations itself so that could have been a tipping point.

 

Is .net script framework generating a crash log?

It might be too soon, but good to check for anyway.

 

Don't use sexlab framework and sexlab framework light. pick one. And if the middle one is LE, get rid of it. Current SexLab full is 1.63 beta 8

+SexLab_Light_SE__

+SexLabFramework_v

+SexLabFrameworkSE_v

 

Try getting rid of DAR as well.

 

Edit: Alternately, start up a new profile with just DD and it's requirements and start a new game. if that works, keep adding mods a few at a time until you find where you CTD again. Work backwards from that point to find out what's causing the crash.

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40 minutes ago, MikeWander said:

Is there any chance that the device hider confuses the WornHasKeyword  function?

 

I'm running Devious Followers.   It has various deals that the character can make.  My character has a deal active that requires her to wear an anal plug.   DF has a dialogue topic with a bunch of conditions anded together to check whether or not the character is in violation of the deal.  One condition is using WornHasKeyword(zad_DeviousPlugAnal).

 

I can run for several in-game hours just fine, but then I start getting inappropriate activations on that dialogue topic.

 

I have a bunch of things hidden in the device hider.  I have "Bandolier - Bags and Pouches".   I use a lot of the bags from that mod and use the device hider to hide them for aesthetic reasons.   One of the slots hidden is slot 48 which is what the plugs use.  (Not that the inventory versions of armor records have slots.  Not sure how that works, but it must be some interesting voodoo...)

 

It's hard to imagine, but is there much of a chance that hiding a bunch of slots will somehow cause the device hider to intermittently give incorrect results from WornHasKeyword()?

Device hider isn't something i've used. I wouldn't think that hiding the slot would change if it's worn, because all that does is change the visibility.

As a check, if you've got the plug in, can you equip something else to that slot while it's hidden? If it's working appropriately, it shouldn't let you, which should mean the worn keyword is working.

 

@Elsidia do you have an idea here?

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