An Open Letter To Patreon.

[Guest Katherlne]

30 minutes ago, Hiroki said:

As I understand it "pornographic" implies real humans, like selling real porn videos to people or providing IRL sex services (prostitution). I don't think that adult content creators should feel threatened.

I'm sure, a specialist (doctor, psychologist) can spend a hours to telling you about how porno, including 2D/3D can be harm to you. How it can destroy your personality, degradate your mental state and force you to do all this cruel fetishes in real life.

[AnubiSs2167]

Good cause but sjw part of the letter is cringy af. The ending about ppl being to scared to sign an online petition is hysterical. Patreon gestapo will hunt you down.

[RitualClarity]

12 hours ago, Katherlne said:

I'm sure, a specialist (doctor, psychologist) can spend a hours to telling you about how porno, including 2D/3D can be harm to you. How it can destroy your personality, degradation your mental state and force you to do all this cruel fetishes in real life.

http://blog.siriusxm.com/dr-ruth-doesnt-recommend-pornography-says-to-read-fifty-shade-of-grey-instead/

 

However, others would say (and perhaps her as well) if it is part of a healthy expression of sexuality then it is OK. It is when it becomes harmful to relationships or day to day activities and a constant distraction etc, etc, then it becomes a problem.

 

P.S. I think you were joking... :) At least in part.

 

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Good cause but sjw part of the letter is cringy af. The ending about ppl being to scared to sign an online petition is hysterical. Patreon gestapo will hunt you down.

Yes, that letter could have been written better as I mentioned above. The SJW and other comments and explanations just prove as distractions from the main points and by the end the reader is at serous risk of being board or confused as to what is being asked or the purpose of the letter is. Another issue is the extensive explanation on how it is understood that they have to prevent illegal activities and then goes in great detail of those activities. I don't think that part was needed. It is an automatic assumption that a cooperation would have to follow the laws of the location where they are incorporated at. that is a given.

 

Thanks I missed that very last part. LOL. I guess that was either an attempt to challenge the reader to make the author a lair or to explain why there isn't more beating down the doors to sign the letter. In both cases that is a horrible approach for such a document.

 

Even so there are lots of people signing this document. I wonder how many more would have done so if it was less SJW and more concise.

 

I do wish the author and petitioners the very best of luck on getting Patron to even back down and change their policies even a bit to be more open to adult content.

[D_ManXX2]

I dont think an open letter will work, only way to hurt their buisness is to not donate on patreon. looks like their new guide rules also changed the patreon fees. Sounds more and more like cash grap everything happened lately. Alll in all the only once who will suffer are the game authors.

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, D_ManXX2 said:

I dont think an open letter will work, only way to hurt their buisness is to not donate on patreon. looks like their new guide rules also changed the patreon fees. Sounds more and more like cash grap everything happened lately. Alll in all the only once who will suffer are the game authors.

The change in their fees is actually slightly better to who receives money.

 

Before the fee (5%) was get from the total amount of money + the bank fees.

Now they reduced the amount (the percentage) but they apply to each pledge. And the bank fee (again for each pledge) is now 35 cents (0.34 $)

 

For big pledges the author will benefit, for small pledges ($1 or $2) the author will get less money.

I would love to get some statistics about the proportion between big pledges and low pledges. But I bet the low pledges are higher.

 

[RitualClarity]

I believe the low pledges are more popular than higher pledges and believe based on what you are saying above, that the patrons actually will start to loose money.. possibly.

 

I'd be interested in the statistics of proportions between big and small pledges as well. However, I am also interested in those big money makers thoughts on the changes. Is it good, bad or indifferent? Also what approaches can be done now to minimize loss and perhaps better encourage patrons to be more effective patrons? :) Where is the new sweet spot ($$$ wise)

[myuhinny]

I'm guessing they changed the fees's to try to make back the money they lost when they went on their little no this no that to their adult creators and half left or dumped their game while others started losing patrons left and right so patreon has to find new ways to get money now.

 

 

The big ones probably don't have anything to fear from patreon. If you look at some of the high big ones nothing really has changed with how their patreon pages are displayed and that is because if patreon were to go after them they would have the highest chance of forming together and fighting them. That or patreon is has their fat little fingers in their cookie jars.

 

You mostly only see them going after the small ones that can't fight back kind of like how a bully surveys the playground looking for someone to push around and then goes after them.

[Ernest Lemmingway]

On 12/2/2017 at 3:35 AM, Katherlne said:

I'm sure, a specialist (doctor, psychologist) can spend a hours to telling you about how porno, including 2D/3D can be harm to you. How it can destroy your personality, degradate your mental state and force you to do all this cruel fetishes in real life.

The exact same things have been said about comics, dime novels, movies, TV, and video games. Decades of psychological studies have shown that the only ones at risk of said extreme consequences are those who already have a poor understanding of fantasy vs. reality. In other words, those who are already ill and need professional help. This isn't to denigrate anyone or anything, rather to say that the extremes pundits crow about are the exceptions to the rule. If Americans would just accept the realities we love to ignore and then misplace blame for, society wouldn't have even half the problems it currently does.

 

Sorry for the mini-rant. That sort of touches on a nerve about Americans' quasi-Victorian social and sexual values.

[D_ManXX2]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/fees-and-our-15826944

 

Looks like patreon was really scamming its users. First they used the wide range ban of  content then they issued paywall for content creators to force their free version for 1 dollar fee and now issue the fee ontop of the pledge the user is already commiting. The reason for this is they know that content creator had to use the 1 dollar fee because of their paywall rule. Now they are trying to fast cash grap on its own users pledge.

 

The once who are hurt the hardes is the 1 dollar pledge. with other higher pledges  the content creator will get even less then what pledge was suppose to be.

[flutie]

It appears Patreon maybe backing off https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/13/patreon-fee-change/

[InositoL]

I for one will not re-pledging any money to the company with the way they handled everything, they still think the only thing they did wrong was not to listen to their creators, not their patrons. They said that it is only a temporary postpone the fee changes and I quote “We still have to fix the problems that those changes addressed, but we’re going to fix them in a different way and we’re going to work with you to come up with the specifics”

 

Unfortunately, for me that means I can no longer any of the creators I like or stay a lover lab supporter, I refuse to pay a credit card charge for what I consider a donation. Yes, sometimes you get some benefits nice as some are they are not why I donate.

 

That and after all this I really do not trust Patreon anymore, I think they will work with some of their larger creators and ignore everyone else or just do what they want again. I will wait until their new fee structure comes out before going back.

 

That is just my 2 cents worth.

[Nazzzgul666]

On 1.12.2017 at 9:26 PM, Alkpaz said:

 In terms of subject matter, I've seen stuff like Namira's Goat (cannibalism) and Necrophilia (Skyrim Defeat/Submit) on the board,

Well, if you count cannibalism, you don't have to stop at mods/LL... the vanilla quest for Namira is quite explicit. Does that mean Bethesda can't have any business relation with paypal? I'd actually appretiate that, if paypal falls elow a certain market share, nobody gives a shit about their rules.