The PC Gamer article on LL

[Jexsam]

Amusingly LL itself can become all holier-than-thou the second someone mentions loli...

Mostly because we like not being in severe legal trouble.

 

Transportation of pornographic materials is technically illegal in the US. But to date, only in cases involving child porn has this ever been enforced, and those cases can and have extended to purely fictional instances. Considering how much other vile shit we host, the only sensible reason to make one niche against the rules is because of the legal ramifications and not at all to do with some misguided sense of morality.

[Jazzman]

I share arpaschad's concerns, being unnecessarily exposed is never an advantage. And although I don't give two figs about SJWs, I'd not take the creepy Holy Inquisition 2.0 that might follow harmless looking missionary reviews of still white spots on their map lightly. In a world full of barracudas trust is something an outsider has to earn first, I'd say.

[windu190]

I always find it funny when people judge players of these mods, calling it sick and misogyny. 

Yet, vanilla skyrim, and many other games, are filled with disturbing things. Many games allow you to do very 'immoral' stuff, to put it lightly. 

 

If playing these mods make me a sick, misogynist basement dweller, well then by that logic, everyone who plays RPG's as an evil character, or plays games like GTA, are mentally deranged psychopaths.  

That's another thing I find quite puzzling. Murder, war, torture, blackmail, genocide, slavery, it's all good as long as it's in a video game because it's not real. But as soon as a pair of tits appear on the screen people lose their minds. 

[Tali Redmint]

It's funny that you kill people in Skyrim (no mods required) But it don't seem to bother anyone.

I call it hypocrisy. Society still have a long way towards ''cleaning'' some misconceptions abut sex.

 

Edit:

 

As the own article point, a lot of woman do fantasy around rape (and a lot of them don't even dare to look and admit those fantasies, and are probably hidden from the research and from themselves). I know that first hand, it is a thing. But as everybody knows, that doesn't give green light for doing it on real life. It's just very ''healthy'' to look at your fantasies and admit them, they may be never more than just fantasies, but diving into it will tell a lot about yourself, and eventually, even increase you sexual experience as a whole.

 

Edit 2:

 

What gives this community the success it have, is that nobody here is judging anyone, there's no moralism. if you don't like it just skip it, there's no point trying to be telling others yourself "this is wrong".

 

Anyway, I think the article was good minus the parts where it goes a little "moralist".  As I said, the moralist only focus the part he wants have trouble with. Killing people is perfectly acceptable, but getting raped is not. "but killing is part of the lore of the game" and so can be being raped.

[shidoni]

As a creator and participant in this community, i can only make this statement:

The community:
Yes, you can find some of the most perverse and distastefull mods for Skyrim here. This might be used as a bias against everything and everyone on this site, and i don't agree.
The facts are as follows:

• We are not a bunch of perverts without rules: We have guidelines that are quite acceptable and easy to follow. This includes the use of underage characters.
• "What about my kids?" Skyrim Legendary Edit. is an Rated- M/ Pegi 18 rated game. To let children play this game is neglect on part of the parents. Loverslab warns and keeps warning underage visitors to leave. We are a modding community, not your kids' babysitters.
• Nobody forces people to use these type of mods. If you don't like it, ignore it... like the war-veterans in front of your porch.

 

As a participant:

I enjoy being a part of this community. Mods like SoS or Sexlab are truely amazing, and i can only encourage improvement and further developement of these mods. Opinions are respected and different visions and perspectives are appreciated.
 

As a creator:

I create nice faces... Do i think that what i made will be used in a sexual of rather uncomfortable situation? Yes, that's why i made them.

Why create non-sexual content here on LL? Because i don't have to apolagize to a moderator if a nipple was showing on a screenshot! IN THE BACKGROUND !!!

 

An upload to nexus: 15 minutes + a broken uploader

An upload to LL: 2 minutes

Questions?

[Guest]

 

Amusingly LL itself can become all holier-than-thou the second someone mentions loli...

Mostly because we like not being in severe legal trouble.

 

Transportation of pornographic materials is technically illegal in the US. But to date, only in cases involving child porn has this ever been enforced, and those cases can and have extended to purely fictional instances. Considering how much other vile shit we host, the only sensible reason to make one niche against the rules is because of the legal ramifications and not at all to do with some misguided sense of morality.

 

 

Plus in other countries that content is actually classified as CP, so many foreign users would be in a lot of danger if it was allowed here.

[Rayblue]

Mainstream, duh, gaming journalism my ass.

 

OP, the article sounds more like an SJW magnet.

[FauxFurry]

Amusingly LL itself can become all holier-than-thou the second someone mentions loli...

As long as it isn't sexually explicit, there doesn't seem to be any backlash against suggestive Lolicon or Shotacon content on this site.

This thread has been in place for years without any bother: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/3650-loli-characters/?hl=loli

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

Link here: http://www.pcgamer.com/skyrim-sex-mods/

 

Thoughts?

 

I personally found it interesting that almost half of the article is on rape and the associated research. For a general exposé piece on LL, they sure focused their research, skipping other controversial topics like prostitution and sexual slavery altogether, and never delve into necrophilia and bestiality to the same degree. Not to mention the fact that sex mods existed on nexus anyways and are reasonably popular as well (JoshNZ's Animated Prostitution has 3.7 million total downloads on nexus). Overall an article that got a little carried away, I just didn't expect such a long explanation of the psychology of rape (especially in relation to the total length of the article) when clicking on an article about "the Skyrim sex modding community".

 

Also the haters in the comments, but that's 100% expected.

 

"Replying to The SJW article on LL"

 

There, fixed it for ya.

[bytion]

so here comes an age old question, why is violence OK but sex isn't..........

 

And Beth's games are never going for SJW, seriously anyone paid slight attention to detail in the lore of TES games, will find tons of sex/rape/nerc/gore sex in there, mods only bring these from words to images, and it's not on the same level as in lores, we are not there yet.

[Corsayr]

/raise hand

 

I'm new-ish (only recently started participating in the community but I have been member for a while)

 

 

what is SJW?

[bytion]

/raise hand

 

I'm new-ish (only recently started participating in the community but I have been member for a while)

 

 

what is SJW?

 

 

in short and simple way to understand this: some people never really left their libert art college campus in their mind,  find real world so fuck up so they refuse to believe, so they act like bunch of cry babies, ask everyone and everything to be their way.

 

 

 

 

[zzz72w3r]

/raise hand

 

I'm new-ish (only recently started participating in the community but I have been member for a while)

 

 

what is SJW?

 

Social Justice Warrior.  The usage varies but take your pick of whichever interpretation from this link: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SJW

 

[Ixum]

I don't get the SJW policing mentality, these are the same idiots that had a meltdown when Sansa was raped in GoT... ok not comparing that to rapey mods but ffs pretending that sick shit like rape doesn't exist -and shouldn't be shown- is even worse. The incest on that show is totally fine apparently tho.

[Guest]

You know I think it's pretty reasonable to critically examine whether the content here is harmful and I don't think everyone who comes to a different conclusion than me is a bad or stupid person. I think a lot of the mod authors might agree which is probably why they gave interviews.

 

I think the content has a place in fantasy but the community here is quite toxic with respect to misinterpreting feminism and attacking strawman "SJW" people. We should try to do better.

[Jazzman]

Originally, SJW ('Social Justice Warrior/ess') is a label created by straight men to give voice to their disgust for hyperactive and thus disproportionally represented feminists in the social media. It's all about the final say, cock vs clit. The big trouble is preprogrammed and integral part of the blame game. I don't like this shit 'cause it leads to nowhere.

[BruceWayne]

SJW started out as a sarcastic way to describe people who take identity politics to extreme and ridiculous levels. Nowadays it's a dog-whistle term for the alt-right and neo-conservatives to describe everyone they disagree with. Or, as Jazzman points out, it's basically a generic insult nowadays.

 

As such, I want to remind everyone to keep this discussion civil. 

[peculiaris]

SJW started out as a sarcastic way to describe people who take identity politics to extreme and ridiculous levels. Nowadays it's a dog-whistle term for the alt-right and neo-conservatives to describe everyone they disagree with. Or, as Jazzman points out, it's basically a generic insult nowadays.

 

As such, I want to remind everyone to keep this discussion civil. 

 

People on the right disagreeing with someone: "You are a SJW!!!"

 

People on the left disagreeing with someone: 'You are a NAZI!"

 

That's how it works these days.

[27X]

Originally, SJW ('Social Justice Warrior/ess') is a label created by straight men to give voice to their disgust for hyperactive and thus disproportionally represented feminists in the social media. It's all about the final say, cock vs clit. The big trouble is preprogrammed and integral part of the blame game. I don't like this shit 'cause it leads to nowhere.

 

False. SJW was actually coined on tumblr and was self-derived name given to progressive politicists by themselves. It didn't become a derisive until much later, when people attempted to use it seriously in conversations as if held some kind of platform armor, which is why it's used sarcastically at best now.

[Jazzman]

 

Originally, SJW ('Social Justice Warrior/ess') is a label created by straight men to give voice to their disgust for hyperactive and thus disproportionally represented feminists in the social media. It's all about the final say, cock vs clit. The big trouble is preprogrammed and integral part of the blame game. I don't like this shit 'cause it leads to nowhere.

 

False. SJW was actually coined on tumblr and was self-derived name given to progressive politicists by themselves. It didn't become a derisive until much later, when people attempted to use it seriously in conversations as if held some kind of platform armor, which is why it's used sarcastically at best now.

 

well, then explain to me how the term could appear in tv discussions w/ leading European feminists like Alice Schwarzer some eight years before tumblr came into being. I don't believe in miracles, you do? Fine by me.

[RebelInfernal]

While the article is biased, the author has done research. It's not a mindless panic-inciting article on how terrible sites like LL are and how people like us are corrupting our society, though it's clearly depicted as abnormal and something worrying (at least from the author's viewpoint) which I find worrying in itself- it's people acting like this that made sex and erotica the taboo subject it is today.

 

Yes, rape is a terrible, reprehensible act but nowhere has anyone said or implied it is acceptable in real life- on the contrary, this community stresses it does not condone such acts. To use the logic of "encouraging it through depicting it" is to say that vanilla Skyrim (in other words Bethesda) encourages us all to become career thieves and professional assassins, to literally sacrifice our friends to deities, to loot graves and to prey on innocents for personal gain. Needless to say, no normal person either on this site or in the wider world would condone any of that, but sadly it does happen in some places. To make such things a taboo just shelters us and that makes it so much harder to cope with it when someone is attacked and raped, or murdered, or kidnapped, or tortured both physically or mentally. And that will happen, because the world we live in is not perfect and there will inevitably be those who choose to commit these acts. Accept it as human nature and don't ostracize those who can't help but find the mere fantasy of certain things arousing or interesting for whatever reason that's likely beyond their- or anyone's- control. It's the same theory behind homosexuality, it's just part of who you are, and look at how well it goes when people try to suppress that. Namely, it doesn't.

[peculiaris]

 

 

Originally, SJW ('Social Justice Warrior/ess') is a label created by straight men to give voice to their disgust for hyperactive and thus disproportionally represented feminists in the social media. It's all about the final say, cock vs clit. The big trouble is preprogrammed and integral part of the blame game. I don't like this shit 'cause it leads to nowhere.

 

False. SJW was actually coined on tumblr and was self-derived name given to progressive politicists by themselves. It didn't become a derisive until much later, when people attempted to use it seriously in conversations as if held some kind of platform armor, which is why it's used sarcastically at best now.

 

well, then explain to me how the term could appear in tv discussions w/ leading European feminists like Alice Schwarzer some eight years before tumblr came into being. I don't believe in miracles, you do? Fine by me.

 

"Dating back to 1824, the term "social justice" refers to justice on a societal level. Abby Ohlheiser wrote in The Washington Post that "social-justice warrior" or variations thereof had been used as a laudatory phrase in the past, and provided an example dating to 1991. She quoted Katherine Martin, the head of U.S. dictionaries at Oxford University Press, who said, "All of the examples I've seen until quite recently are lionizing the person." According to The Washington Post, use of the phrase in a positive manner continued from the 1990s through the 2000s. At the time of the article's publication in October 2015, Martin said "lexicographers there haven't done a full search for its earliest citation" of the term."

 

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior

 

 

P.S. Yes i know its wikipedia but this is pretty accurate.

[Corsayr]

Sorry I asked

[BruceWayne]

 

 

Originally, SJW ('Social Justice Warrior/ess') is a label created by straight men to give voice to their disgust for hyperactive and thus disproportionally represented feminists in the social media. It's all about the final say, cock vs clit. The big trouble is preprogrammed and integral part of the blame game. I don't like this shit 'cause it leads to nowhere.

 

False. SJW was actually coined on tumblr and was self-derived name given to progressive politicists by themselves. It didn't become a derisive until much later, when people attempted to use it seriously in conversations as if held some kind of platform armor, which is why it's used sarcastically at best now.

 

well, then explain to me how the term could appear in tv discussions w/ leading European feminists like Alice Schwarzer some eight years before tumblr came into being. I don't believe in miracles, you do? Fine by me.

 

 

Please don't.

 

Let's keep this thread about the article.

[bytion]

SJW started out as a sarcastic way to describe people who take identity politics to extreme and ridiculous levels. Nowadays it's a dog-whistle term for the alt-right and neo-conservatives to describe everyone they disagree with. Or, as Jazzman points out, it's basically a generic insult nowadays.

 

As such, I want to remind everyone to keep this discussion civil. 

yea I do mean to use as an insult when I used it there, and not a generic one, I just too lazy to find a better words for it.

 

back to topic, I kinda feel the article is pointless, you are on the fucking internet, everyone can find their own shits, so try your best to avoid other's shits, this is the best you can do, because you never know what else could scar you for life. 

 

Taking a SJW or other mind sets to this is dangerous, for you and for everyone else, I hope this explain it better, I am not insult a specific group or people here, just giving an advice