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1 hour ago, toxic.s.kennedy said:

@Billyy hi , I'm confused , what is the difference between "Origin Animation" (24mb ) and "Animation" (145mb) ? I can download both but I scared it will be conflict

Didja, look at the post right above yours?

 

No conflicts, 2 separate packs.

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1 hour ago, Billyy said:

Didja, look at the post right above yours?

 

No conflicts, 2 separate packs.

So do i need to redownload the origin animation and replace the old pack one? or i dont need it and just download version 3.42 pack?

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Oh Billy, what would Skyrim be without you ?

 

i want to give you a tip you may have not noticed yet. please take a look at Psyches animations. he makes rape sex and the new style is to make the victim really shake and jump trying to avoid pain with large movements. just take a look.

Another tip is to make the animations more steps, longer, more steps between . how can a common porn scene take 10 minutes ? because of the small steps.

 

edit .  i forgot to say, sexlab is a mess.  it does not give sort options and the tags mostly dont work.  special animations like magick or vampire will come at normal encounters and normal animations will come at vampire and warlock encounters etc. it even mixes consensual and aggressives  randomly.   slate and slanims never get rid of that.   because sexlab is looking for a blowjob, it does not care if it is vampire, magick or just common human. 

a lot of your and all animations cant be used because of that tag problem. it should be overworked.

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1 hour ago, shiagwen said:

Oh Billy, what would Skyrim be without you ?

 

i want to give you a tip you may have not noticed yet. please take a look at Psyches animations. he makes rape sex and the new style is to make the victim really shake and jump trying to avoid pain with large movements. just take a look.

Another tip is to make the animations more steps, longer, more steps between . how can a common porn scene take 10 minutes ? because of the small steps.

 

edit .  i forgot to say, sexlab is a mess.  it does not give sort options and the tags mostly dont work.  special animations like magick or vampire will come at normal encounters and normal animations will come at vampire and warlock encounters etc. it even mixes consensual and aggressives  randomly.   slate and slanims never get rid of that.   because sexlab is looking for a blowjob, it does not care if it is vampire, magick or just common human. 

a lot of your and all animations cant be used because of that tag problem. it should be overworked.

 

Oh boy!!! Somebody does not know how long it takes to animate just a single stage.

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Is the original animations download basically just contain old creature 1 pack or there is new animation in them?

I don't use creature pack 1 in previous version because they're generally lower quality and I'm already at max 500 animations SL limit. So I will just skip the original animation pack if its just creature 1 .

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16 hours ago, razzor69 said:

So do i need to redownload the origin animation and replace the old pack one? or i dont need it and just download version 3.42 pack?

If you want the my older 'ceatures1' pack stuff then you'll want both. If not just v3.42.

4 hours ago, assassin394 said:

Is the original animations download basically just contain old creature 1 pack or there is new animation in them?

I don't use creature pack 1 in previous version because they're generally lower quality and I'm already at max 500 animations SL limit. So I will just skip the original animation pack if its just creature 1 .

Correct.

9 hours ago, shiagwen said:

Oh Billy, what would Skyrim be without you ?

 

i want to give you a tip you may have not noticed yet. please take a look at Psyches animations. he makes rape sex and the new style is to make the victim really shake and jump trying to avoid pain with large movements. just take a look.

Another tip is to make the animations more steps, longer, more steps between . how can a common porn scene take 10 minutes ? because of the small steps.

 

edit .  i forgot to say, sexlab is a mess.  it does not give sort options and the tags mostly dont work.  special animations like magick or vampire will come at normal encounters and normal animations will come at vampire and warlock encounters etc. it even mixes consensual and aggressives  randomly.   slate and slanims never get rid of that.   because sexlab is looking for a blowjob, it does not care if it is vampire, magick or just common human. 

a lot of your and all animations cant be used because of that tag problem. it should be overworked.

I animate the way I do for a number of reasons;

- It's the style I like, I'm not a big fan of very aggressive rapey stuff, just my prefrence.

- It's the style I've gotten somewhat competent to make. I'm no professional animator, I just picked it up as a hobby.

- I'm more of a quantity over quality animator, and the simplified style that I'm versed in helps me pump them out at a decent rate while being fairly quality by Skyrims standards.

- Sexlab and Skyrim in general are janky for this stuff as you've mentioned, and I kind of learned how to navigate it to avoid issues. One of the big issues is desync between actors in an animation. This can be most noticeable in animations with 3+ actors as there's a delay in the animation firing for later actors, thus leading to more severe desync. I try to prevent this by keeping things more simple for positions and not having any crazy large movements going on.

- I stick with 5 stages (sometimes 6) for the most part as I personally find it a sweet spot of lasting long enough without overstaying it's welcome. Animations with 7+ stages somewhat annoy me when I get them in-game. Also allows users to roughly know when the climax is approaching.

- I try to keep animations is roughly the same pose between stages so it 'flows' better. I've always looked at as I'm animating 'fucking' and not 'sex'. I pick a pose, and I 5 stages in that pose more or less from beginning to end (fucking). I don't like having actors flipping around rapidly between stages as they change positions (sex).

 

As for tags I don't know what all they're used for, but I mainly include them to help users sort for a specific animation with sexlab tools. Also modders might code tags into their sex events. It's not perfect but chances are the tags are relevant for some mod. For example, 'blowjob' tag was specifically added for separate orgasm mod users as that's the tag it looked for for oral scenes afaik.

7 hours ago, NCK30 said:

 

More than 5 minutes I can tell You...

 

Though Billyy and Psyche seems to make them faster than most.

I don't really like waving around numbers, but if I had to guess for me a full 5-stage animation from insertion to testing and implementation will take 8-10 hours. Though I've never really timed myself and rarely do anything like that in one sitting. The speed which we work may more be from how much time we dedicate to it, which I can tell you a large portion of my free time goes into animations.

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4 minutes ago, Billyy said:

As for tags I don't know what all they're used for, but I mainly include them to help users sort for a specific animation with sexlab tools. Also modders might code tags into their sex events. It's not perfect but chances are the tags are relevant for some mod. For example, 'blowjob' tag was specifically added for separate orgasm mod users as that's the tag it looked for for oral scenes afaik.

......speaking of tags the werewolves need better ones (in all SLAL Packs, not just yours), i'm trying to give Sinding some sex dialogues in SLDragons but i'm having problems because of the tags used, Eg:

 

1. "Billyy (Werewolf) 69" is not tagged as "69" so my scripts can't find it, (also the animation is showing up when a script only calls for Blowjob tags, since there is no 69 tag it means i can't block it either)

 

2. there are no real tags* to identify who is on the receiving end, Eg: "Billyy (Werewolf) Doggy 2" vs "MNC (Female Werewolf) Doggystyle" both are "Vaginal" animations, but the one getting fucked is not the same.

 

*MNC has a "FemWerewolf" tag that i think i could use in this case, but that won't be useful if someone makes sex dialogue/scripts for other races.

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19 hours ago, MadMansGun said:

......speaking of tags the werewolves need better ones (in all SLAL Packs, not just yours), i'm trying to give Sinding some sex dialogues in SLDragons but i'm having problems because of the tags used, Eg:

 

1. "Billyy (Werewolf) 69" is not tagged as "69" so my scripts can't find it, (also the animation is showing up when a script only calls for Blowjob tags, since there is no 69 tag it means i can't block it either)

 

2. there are no real tags* to identify who is on the receiving end, Eg: "Billyy (Werewolf) Doggy 2" vs "MNC (Female Werewolf) Doggystyle" both are "Vaginal" animations, but the one getting fucked is not the same.

 

*MNC has a "FemWerewolf" tag that i think i could use in this case, but that won't be useful if someone makes sex dialogue/scripts for other races.

1. I think the issue is there’s a disconnect between animators and mod creators in which we ‘animators’ don’t know what tags mod athors are looking for and don’t put much thought into it as it’s just not something we really consider. Creatures specifically I used to put far less thought in as their use in mods was limited at best, so specific tags weren’t really necessary. These days it’s less true at least.

 

I’ve also not ever really approached about it as I only recall being asked to add in tags twice. First time was for the ‘blowjob’ tag, second was more recently for a ‘spitroast’ tag for group animations, which I’ve started implementing as well as trying my best to update all my animation tags.

 

Creature1 stuff has been pretty neglected, but I can look into re-tagging it too at some point.

 

Basically if someone pokes me to add a tag I will most likely do it (eventually).

 

2. Kind of seems like a situation where the outlier should have the new tag to be built around it?

 

2 hours ago, saltshade said:

How come so many of the previews don't show anything but a black screen?

Redgifs a shit I guess. Looks like they're having issues with some new and existing uploads doing this.

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1 hour ago, MadMansGun said:

right now i'm making a list of all tags i have found in SLAL Packs, hopefully i can sort out a basic list of where tags should be used....and what tags are worthless.

I'd be down for more streamlined tagging. Too bad I've already gone through so many only to do it again, rrrrrrrrrip. Have always wondered if I'm using worthless tags too.

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9 minutes ago, Billyy said:

Have always wondered if I'm using worthless tags too.

well so far tags like "AnalCreampie" and "Creampie" seem completely pointless to me when "Anal" and "Vaginal" are the ones that most scripts use.

so far i have a list of 100+ tags and many of them seem pointless because of other tags that could mean the exact same thing.

 

and i question if "Dirty" was ever used for anything...what does "Dirty" even mean? how would it be useful for calling on or blocking a animation when it's in so many animations that it renders the tag useless, you end up either blocking or loading all animations because of it.

 

......i think this is going to take me a few days to sort out :tired:

 

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5 minutes ago, MadMansGun said:

well so far tags like "AnalCreampie" and "Creampie" seem completely pointless to me when "Anal" and "Vaginal" are the ones that most scripts use.

so far i have a list of 100+ tags and many of them seem pointless because of other tags that could mean the exact same thing.

 

and i question if "Dirty" was ever used for anything...what does "Dirty" even mean? how would it be useful for calling on or blocking a animation when it's in so many animations that it renders the tag useless, you end up either blocking or loading all animations because of it.

 

......i think this is going to take me a few days to sort out :tired:

 

Actually I think someone asked me to add those creampie tags too. While in most cases someone could use the 'vaginal' tag instead for the same effect, but technically those tags would just imply with orifice is used in the animation, but some animations may swap holes mid set. Also I'm sure some pull-out climax stages exist.

 

Going from memory of something I recall reading years ago that Ashal posted, it has something to do with some kind of purity stat tracking in sexlab or something. Has no real benefit for sorting by them, but I could see something that tracks stats to maybe find use it in. Of course they could also probably just use a 'creature' tag for that as doing something 'dirty' with a human would probably be tamer than 'dirty' with a creature. I could be convinced of it's worth of removal.

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Thank you so much for the awesome update Billy. I personally love your animation style and approach and with the animated genitals mods available out there and your 'REDO's its really great!.

My own opinion is keep doing what YOU enjoy and do best and how you want to do it, then you will always keep the fun and passion in animating :)

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20 hours ago, gwrelentless said:

hi can anyone help me ive downloaded the files and copyed them to my folder but FNIS isnt reading them or showing on list

Not sure if your using any Mod Manager but make sure the animation files are in the right folder. Then when you run the FNIS generate Tool it should find them. ?

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hm so idk what's wrong with my setup, as this animation pack works for others.

 

all my other installed SLAL packs work just fine, but any animation from billy just won't work, the actors stand still or air hump.

i've not even nearly hit my fnis registration limit or SL animation limit

 

i'm on SE, made sure to download the SE version. the individual packs all get recognized by SLAL, but when i choose a billy animation, the actors just stand still.

 

straight anims work as intended, lesbian and creature anims don't

 

any tips?

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