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I do not know what is going on. I have done everything. Reinstalling, one at a time, etc. All I ended up doing is having to use an older save, delete some mods by accident I can't recover and etc.


Set me back more than anything and I am still getting annoying errors I do not know why.


Active Mod Files:


00  Skyrim.esm
01  Update.esm
02  Dawnguard.esm
03  ApachiiHair.esm
04  Obl-VB hair.esm
05  RaceCompatibility.esm  [Version 1.60a]
06  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
07  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
08  MagicDuelReborn.esm
09  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 1.3.3b]
0A  USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp
0B  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 1.2.3]
0C  Rainbows.esp
0D  Natural Skyrim Rain.esp
0E  mintylightningmod.esp
0F  MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
10  xmas_lanterns.esp
11  Symphonies Of Skyrim.esp
12  arrowsstick.esp
13  Birdsclean.esp
14  Birdsofskyrim.esp
15  College lights.esp
16  Craftable Soulgems.esp
17  DishonoredEquipment.esp
18  DungeonQuestAwareness.esp
19  explosivechickens.esp
1A  Free travel to any holds.esp
1B  fx_eye_candy_rings.esp
1C  Ish's Souls to Perks.esp
1D  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-4.esp
1E  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - default.esp
1F  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-2.esp
20  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-3.esp
21  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-1.esp
22  MoreWar.esp
23  ribeable-broom.esp
24  Scouter.esp
25  ShootingStars.esp
26  skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp
27  smithingExtended.esp
28  SpaceWikingSpecialEffectFreyjaGems.esp
29  ZazResources.esp
2A  Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
2B  Footprints.esp
2C  WetandCold.esp
2D  SkyUI.esp
2E  manny_Status.esp
2F  AkavirisWeapons.esp
30  AliceMadnessReturnsVorpal.esp
31  AliceMadnessReturnsWeapons.esp
32  BDYEB.esp
33  Blade_of_Olympus.esp
34  Cattelya Greatsword.esp
35  Cerberus.esp
36  Chakram.esp
37  ChickenStaff.esp
38  CrainteVomir.esp
39  DBZBattleGloves.esp
3A  Decapitation-spell-and-raise-skull-minions.esp
3B  Demon Sword.esp
3C  devilwithinGLOWYrune.esp
3D  Dynasty Armor.esp
3E  Energy Sword.esp
3F  FFweapons.esp
40  Futa equippable.esp
41  getoverherebow.esp
42  Ghost Rider.esp
43  Gizmodian Silver Swords.esp
44  HanasSkeletonStaff.esp
45  Hell Sword.esp
46  HentaiCasualWears.esp
47  HentaiSuccubusArmor.esp
48  KCEAssaultRifles.esp
49  lilithsreaver.esp
4A  lilithstools.esp
4B  lolilabs.esp
4C  Maliki.esp
4D  mh3_mod.esp
4E  monster_hunter.esp
4F  NightmareByNausicaa.esp
50  Penis.esp
51  qsmweaponpack.esp
52  R18Pn - Inner Wear Set.esp
53  R18Pn - Fiona Armor.esp
54  Scythe Weapon mingyannu.esp
55  Space Wiking's The Elementals.esp
56  StrapOnbyaeonv1.1.esp
57  TERA Weapons.esp
58  throwingweapons.esp
59  throwing_weapons_leveledlists_plugin.esp
5A  Throwing_Weapons_Misc_Plugin.esp
5B  Throwing_Weapons_PerkTree_Plugin.esp
5C  throwing_weapons_quiver_plugin.esp
5D  Toad's Tera.esp
5E  UniqueWeaponsRedone.esp
5F  Warglaive of Azzinoth.esp
60  Xena.esp
61  Portal.esp
62  quest into the depths.esp
63  Run For Your Lives.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
64  When Vampires Attack.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
65  SarumansTower.esp
66  the asteria - dwemer airship.esp
67  The Fifth Gate.esp
68  whiteruntrees.esp
69  Bloodx10.esp
6A  CleanArrowPlayer.esp
++  Fast Respawns And Rich Merchants.esp
6B  getdrunk.esp
6C  GloriousGrass PineForests.esp
6D  GloriousGrass.esp
6E  make inferno.esp
6F  Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp
70  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
71  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
72  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
73  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
74  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
75  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
76  ClimatesOfTamriel-WinterEdition.esp
77  Artillery_DFA.esp
78  ASX_Spells.esp
79  Elementalist.esp
7A  GriptzionTeleportMenuSpell_NODLC.esp
7B  pjs_spell_compendium.esp
7C  SwordDance.esp
7D  traincall.esp
7E  DBZmultidestructodisc.esp
7F  FNISspells.esp
80  MagicDuelReborn - Shouts.esp
81  ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp
82  ASX_Potions.esp
83  The Dance of Death - Dawnguard Edition.esp
84  Auto Health, Magicka and Stamina.esp
85  Crimson Tide - Blood.esp
86  N_43 Hair Pack.esp
87  Glowing Eyes.esp
88  UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
89  UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp
8A  UFO - AllwaysDrawWeapons.esp
8B  My Home Is Your Home.esp
8C  Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp
8D  Blaze Of Eventide.esp
8E  DudestiaMultiMarriages.esp
8F  NoNakedComments.esp
90  CharacterMakingExtender.esp
91  DeadlyMutilation.esp
92  EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
93  Glowtastic.esp
94  Showermod.esp
95  WATER.esp
96  skyforge_map_marker.esp
97  FTFI Fast Travel From Indoors.esp
98  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
99  kailringswap.esp
9A  kissemalleng.esp
9B  masterpsiblade.esp
9C  phasespells.esp
9D  skyset.esp
9E  squeaky.esp
9F  Breezehomeexterior.esp
A0  FastHorse.esp
A1  Breezehome - Larger house in Whiterun.esp
A2  RespawningBarrel.esp
A3  RapidSpringsComplete.esp
A4  IngotChest.esp
A5  SlowMotionRing.esp
A6  FourthRulerEntitySkyforge.esp
A7  nobledress.esp
A8  OvaTheRainbow.esp
A9  Ice Gold Blade.esp
AA  CraftableUniquesJAX.esp
AB  my claymore.esp
AC  TreasureCrafting.esp
AD  war final swords.esp
AF  Kur0us_Amberstone.esp
B0  SoulEater.esp
B1  Soul eater.esp
B2  SDmagic arrow.esp
B3  Scythe Weapon mingyannuV20121226.esp
B4  Phantasy Star Skyrim.esp
B5  Magicka Sabers Crystal.esp
B6  lilithseviscerator.esp
B7  lollipop.esp
B8  FierceDeitysSword.esp
B9  Hidansscythe.esp
BA  Gunblade.esp
BB  Masamune.esp
BC  Starseeker.esp
BD  ExplosiveArrows.esp
BE  ClaimhSolais.esp
BF  Chaos ripper.esp
C0  Bloodlust Bow.esp
C1  BlazBlue.esp
C2  craftable iron lockpicks.esp
C3  Beautifulhair.esp
C4  mortenhairs.esp
C5  Silvan_Armor.esp
C6  Hentai'sSerenityByNausicaaCBBE.esp
C7  NewmillerCeremonialMageRobes.esp
C8  ItRainedOn.esp
C9  DartHairColorsAll.esp
CA  FAMP2.esp
CB  NakedArmor.esp
CC  the room.esp
CD  Berial's Sword.esp
CE  Lights Reach.esp
CF  Fencemod.esp
D0  Eterna.esp
D1  FariyAngel.esp
D2  BLEED.esp
D3  DBZMagc.esp
D4  SenzuBeandbz.esp
D5  Saiyanrace.esp
D6  DBZKaioken.esp
D7  DBZKiBlastAuto.esp
D8  DbzKiBlast.esp
D9  fall in solitude.esp
DA  FFX2.esp
DB  CarryMammoths.esp
DC  Amaterasu.esp
DD  Spell TomeKaboom.esp
DE  MeteoriteBlast.esp
DF  Soulfire.esp
E0  SpellTome - Escape.esp
E1  Summon Dragon Storm.esp
E2  RLG_Trees.esp
E3  Wet.esp
E4  Better Cities, more Art..esp
E5  BreezehomePenthouse.esp
E6  thievesdoor.esp
E7  CarryweightExtended.esp
E8  Treasure caves.esp
E9  Craftable Lockpicks.esp
EA  Better dual casting.esp
EB  Created_Chars.esp
EC  RaceMenu.esp
ED  RaceMenuPlugin.esp



Papyrus. Log:


I have been considering merging some of the mods into one esm/esp, but not exact;y sure of the process and waiting to fix my game first.


EDIT: Nope seem to be getting CTD's. With similar errors.

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Well, that is a LONG list of mods, which doesn't make troubleshooting any easier. Sadly, Skyrim tends to randomly ruin savegames on its own accord even without mods, so tracking this down is all but impossible unless you were willing to start a fresh game without mods and play for a couple of in game days to observe the crashing.

My guess would be that the Whiterun crashes are caused by one of the mods affecting the area, such as better cities or the breezehome mod.


I would do the following:

- remove all your items from breezehome storages and leave Whiterun, if you can, save

- uninstall any mods that affect Whiterun. If they offer an uninstall routine or you use MM, use it to minimize loose files

- test for at least a couple of in game days, fast travel to different locations, clear cell buffer, basically "sit it out", save

- restart the game, load your last save and test Whiterun

- if this doesn't work, continue to uninstall your mods as cleanly as possible - a radical uninstall of all mods will likely cause the game to crash as well so it's better to remove mods in small batches or one by one.


Some saves will just remain fucked up no matter what, and sometimes the cause of crashes or corrupt savegames are mods that are not at all related to the areas causing those crashes. UFO, for example, caused weird behavior in my game. But it's not the same for everyone so if you want to attempt to keep your save ... good luck, man!

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*Sigh* This is already the 2nd or 3rd drawback I have had. I get tired of trying to constantly have to fix the game just to play it, then recollecting all that I have lost.


I do not know why I keep having problems. These errors doesn't seem well known.


I am going to be merging some of the mods I have. Maybe I will remove UFO.


Another reason is I had to remake my character a few times now. Be nice if there was a way to save my character for use later or something.

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The errors you are getting is from adding and removing mods that have non determinating scripts attached to them. Ingun is a little bit right that skyrim itself sometimes ruins savegames but that is more of sloppy scripting, but for most scripts there are fixes, some by the unoffical fix team, some by steve-40. But your papyrus log mostly shows me removed mods and the orphan non determinating scripts. you can try to get an old save loaded and use the skse orphan script remove function, or what is likely you have to get a new game, to get a solid gameplay again.

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I sort of got it working now w some random crashes still. Mostly due to errors. Sort of the same ones. I thought SKSE had some sort of script clean. I tried that and not sure if it helps or not.


ClearInvalidRegistrations=1 SKSE.ini

Trying to use save cleaner. But not sure how much it will help these annoying "leftover" scripts.

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Well, it's a hell of a mess in there. Unless you really want this save, the best thing to do is start another. Probably the most important rule in Skyrim modding is to be careful around script mods. Gone are the days when you simply delete the .esp/esm and the save is gone of scripts safe and sound.


For start, I had ctds with enhanced blood textures (almost a year ago, never used it since) even after I removed the .esp but forgot to remove the scripts as well. The mod is script intensive and just not worth it if you ask me, you are far better with a simple blood retexture. Looking at your load order, it seems you no longer have it active or you uninstalled. In whatever case, the scripts are still in your script folder so try to take them out. At least papyrus won't bother anymore trying to find what to do with those scripts every second.


Try download the mod again and check its scripts to know which ones to remove as I can't remember for sure. They should start with "zbleed.../zblood..."


EDIT: I wish people stop confusing the save cleaner tool (perhaps the author should be more specific). It does NOT touches scripts in any way. It only resets actors or items back to their places, no scripts involvement.

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