Old HDT Support Thread.

[Bluegunk]

 

 

 

Please don't hit me, but it's my first post on LL. I have had great success with the HDT breast physics - perfect and 5 stars all round! But I simply cannot get the hang of the ponytail.  The compressed download offers a collection of files and an ESP. Using NMM I popped it all into place and BOSSed it. Now, I do have Azar's hairs ESM, but despite the new ESP and files, my character retains her normal pre-defined Apachii hairstyle. So I tried ShowRaceMenu to find the relevant hairstyle, but I have not a clue which of the several ponytails I should use, though I would have hoped the ESP would have overridden my original character hair file. In the hair selection of ShowRaceMenu I did notice one hair with infinity stretch to the horizon (brings back memories of Obilvion and infinity boobs!) and I wondered if that was the hair I needed.  I must add I am using XP32's skeleton currently found on Nexus, so I may be lacking a newer version.  If someone could give me an idiot's guide to setting up the ponytail files I'd be most grateful. I can't really find a sensible list of 'how to do it' here on LL because the environment is so much more confusing and complex.  I have had a good hunt, and I would not post if I was not stuck!

 

I am pretty good with the usual tools like Wrye, NMM, etc. and have plenty of modding experience. But this beta stumps me.

 

In anticipation of any support, thanks!

 

Wow - i was just about to post this, more or less word for word!

 

Yeah i have the hair stretch to infinity thingy too.  I followed the instructions in the OP and when i install the 2mb dll i get CTDs on load.

 

 

Just install the hair pack XP32 posted with NMM and the HDT dll+xml (latest version) just as described at the first post. If you want to find out what hair it is use RaceMenu and CharGen-Core (latest versions) shows you what hair comes from what esp/esm.

 

Thanks for that - will give it a go. It may be the HDT version I have is now out of date although I picked them all up from there. CharGenCore I don't have, so I'll sweep that up.

 

Thank you, that did the trick!  I downloaded XP32s Nexus version of the Havok Hair mod, also dug out the 11:13 version of the HDT Physics DLL from the Baidu site, and it worked right away!  I even could spot the right hair in the ShowRaceMenu because the ponytail bobbed about when it turned up in the menu. Perfect!  My only problem is I can't give my character her full name back, because ShowRaceMenu auto-saves after typing in four letters of the characters name. Weird. Anyway - thank you for your help!

[foreveraloneguy]

Could someone go step by step on how to make this work with CBBE?

 

I downloaded the XP32 Skeleton and CBBE, then generated TBBP bodies using Bodyslide++ and then ran FNIS.

 

But still the plugin does nothing for me. Anyone have any advice?

 

A bit more detail on what you've done would be helpful. Like where did you put the plugin? Have you checked SKSE and made sure it's at the latest version? Any messages in the hdtphysicsextension.log?

 

On a separate note, 11.14 release fixed the vibrating bewbs for me too.

[HydrogensaysHDT]

sorry it's my failure.

Add back collision.

[Shaydow]

@HDT :

 

You keep up so much I've been naming downloads after date AND time. Have 11 14 0650 and now 11 14 2047. Other releases are similar. 

 

Keep up the good work. 

[Sellia]

When I open up the console all of the boobs lose their physics, how to fix?

[Witcher_Rising]

I've tried using a 11-13, 11-14 and a few earlier versions and collision doesn't work... 

using XPMS, CBBE, SoS and fnis.

 

What am I doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated!

 

also the jiggle physics do work. just not the collision.

[TheDriedFinger]

I've tried using a 11-13, 11-14 and a few earlier versions and collision doesn't work... 

using XPMS, CBBE, SoS and fnis.

 

What am I doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated!

Have you edited the body/armor mesh to facilitate the collision? Also, there are 2 versions of 11-14. The earlier one had collision disabled.

[DUBALADO]

I have no problem in my caracter but do not work in NPC... how to fix?

[Eu4orick]

What other mods are out at the moment that utilize collision at the moment please?

[TheSGC]

With the latest 4 or 5 versions, I'm getting the "follower turns invisible / starts fluttering / body parts stretch to infinity" bug we experienced before the 9-28 release. The PC and non-following NPCs are unaffected. The problem usually occurs after a cell change, especially exterior to interior or vice-versa.

 

As far as I can tell, the most recent version that works with a follower (in this case Vilja) is the second of the two .dlls HydrogensaysHDT uploaded on 11-1. Everything with a later date, including today's, has the disappearing wobblies.

 

It also seems that the enhanced hair physics are causing problems: if I give Vilja an invisible helmet to wear, her hair turns invisible and she's bald as an egg. 9-28 is the latest release that doesn't make her hair disappear. I wonder if anyone else has run into similar glitches, and if there's a cure.

I've gotten boobs stretching to infinity right after cell changes, too. seems to go away after running around a bit with followers, but yeah, weird glitch. I don't have bald heads though, and I use the TERA armors that have invisible helmets (at least I think they do)

[RomeoZero]

 

With the latest 4 or 5 versions, I'm getting the "follower turns invisible / starts fluttering / body parts stretch to infinity" bug we experienced before the 9-28 release. The PC and non-following NPCs are unaffected. The problem usually occurs after a cell change, especially exterior to interior or vice-versa.

 

As far as I can tell, the most recent version that works with a follower (in this case Vilja) is the second of the two .dlls HydrogensaysHDT uploaded on 11-1. Everything with a later date, including today's, has the disappearing wobblies.

 

It also seems that the enhanced hair physics are causing problems: if I give Vilja an invisible helmet to wear, her hair turns invisible and she's bald as an egg. 9-28 is the latest release that doesn't make her hair disappear. I wonder if anyone else has run into similar glitches, and if there's a cure.

I've gotten boobs stretching to infinity right after cell changes, too. seems to go away after running around a bit with followers, but yeah, weird glitch. I don't have bald heads though, and I use the TERA armors that have invisible helmets (at least I think they do)

 

And try to kill npc in the wilds and undress them,got invincible body ?

[TnTTnT]

Strange problem, 11-xx release seem to stop working after 20-30 min of gameplay.  Sometimes it will back on for a few moment and stop working again.

 

9-28 has no such problem.  

[HydrogensaysHDT]

If plugin not working in your skyrim, please tells me what menu mod you're using.

[Uriel]

Strange problem, 11-xx release seem to stop working after 20-30 min of gameplay.  Sometimes it will back on for a few moment and stop working again.

 

9-28 has no such problem.  

Please go into inventory and back when this happens. Check if it's working again.

[Witcher_Rising]

 

I've tried using a 11-13, 11-14 and a few earlier versions and collision doesn't work... 

using XPMS, CBBE, SoS and fnis.

 

What am I doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated!

Have you edited the body/armor mesh to facilitate the collision? Also, there are 2 versions of 11-14. The earlier one had collision disabled.

 

 

 

How would I go about doing this? 

[D_ManXX2]

Strange problem, 11-xx release seem to stop working after 20-30 min of gameplay.  Sometimes it will back on for a few moment and stop working again.

 

9-28 has no such problem.  

 

check your hdt logs are they saying something with delay etc.. ? If so maybe hdt is failing on your pc.

When hdt stops working i check hdt logs i get allot of spam with delay occurring.

[HydrogensaysHDT]

 

Strange problem, 11-xx release seem to stop working after 20-30 min of gameplay.  Sometimes it will back on for a few moment and stop working again.

 

9-28 has no such problem.  

 

check your hdt logs are they saying something with delay etc.. ? If so maybe hdt is failing on your pc.

When hdt stops working i check hdt logs i get allot of spam with delay occurring.

 

 

I don't think so.

It stop working if a menu closed without a menuclosed event, or there's a menu showing which should not pause the plugin(but the plugin doesn't know that. menu from mod etc. ).

should I write menu open close into log? It will make it really huge.

[D_ManXX2]

Then how do i reactivate hdt from working again ?? I am also getting hdt to just simply stops working after a while. When i check the log i only see allot of delay in it.

 

This was the post:

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/19451-hdt-support-unof-cur-v9-28-minor-v11-13-see-minor-rls-links-for-info-xp32-new-physics-enabled-outfit/page-57?do=findComment&comment=567526

 

it was already burried under page 57.

 

WARNING: Physics delta time > 0.2, lose time

 

I have not even used menu. sometimes when sexlab is initiated it will also simply stop working. exit the game and restart skyrim will make hdt work again.

[Kageryu]

The 11-14 dll made the breasts sway so much. @_@ It's like watching pendulums.

[turbosundance]

Sorry for more dumb questions.  I'm a little confused about collision; to enable collision on a mesh, do I simple add the link to the hdt.xml file in nifskope or is there more to it or am I way off?

[Guest]

After some time the Physics stop working.

 

Mod list is quite big:

 

 

Active Mod Files:

00  Skyrim.esm

01  Update.esm

02  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0a]

03  Dawnguard.esm

04  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

05  HearthFires.esm

06  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

07  Dragonborn.esm

08  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

09  ApachiiHair.esm

0A  ApachiiHairFemales.esm

0B  ApachiiHairMales.esm

0C  RaceCompatibility.esm

0D  Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

0E  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

0F  hdtHighHeel.esm

10  JSwords.esm

11  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

12  Lootification.esm

13  SGHairPackBase.esm

14  Solstheim Climate Overhaul.esm

15  SPIKE.esm

16  Xvision Children.esm

17  Xvision Children - Complete.esp

18  DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp

19  RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

1A  Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

1B  ADS.esp

1C  AOS.esp

1D  ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

1E  Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

1F  AOS_ICS Patch.esp

20  Thundering Shouts.esp

21  fantasy music overhaul.esp

22  StaticMeshImprovementMod-PACK.esp

23  83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp

24  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 1.00]

25  Ars Metallica-PACK.esp

26  Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

27  Better Skill and Quest Books Names.esp

28  BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp

29  Dual Sheath Redux.esp

2A  DungeonQuestAwareness.esp

2B  EpisodeParallax.esp

2C  Immersive Battles.esp

2D  Immersive Brigands.esp

2E  Immersive Dawnguard.esp

2F  Immersive Dragonborn.esp

30  Immersive Factions.esp

31  Immersive Patrols.esp

32  Immersive Travelers.esp

33  Immersive Werewolves.esp

34  Lanterns Of Skyrim - CoT Nights lvl 8.esp

35  Long lost smelters by Hyralux.esp

36  manny Lantern Caretakers.esp

37  PilgrimsDelight.esp

38  Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  [Version v6.1.3]

39  Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  [Version v6.1.3]

++  Traps Make Noise.esp

3A  Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

3B  JSwords_Load_Screens.esp

3C  RaceMenu.esp

3D  RaceMenuPlugin.esp

3E  nem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.esp

3F  RaceMenuOverlays.esp

40  SkyTweak.esp

41  vAutosaveManager.esp

42  SkyUI.esp

43  iHUD.esp

44  Customizable Camera.esp

45  MinimalHUD.esp

46  Akavari Katana Re_borne.esp

47  BDYEB.esp

48  BosmerArmorMATY743.esp

49  Bucklers-Complete.esp

4A  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.3]

4B  Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN_LL.esp

4C  DragonBoneEbony_Replacer.esp

4D  ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp

++  FullBootForKKSA.esp

4E  hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

4F  Immersive Weapons.esp

50  imp_helm-PACK.esp

51  JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

52  KatanaCrafting.esp

53  loners_sword.esp

54  Lore Weapon Expansion.esp  [Version 1.0]

55  Melt_Down_Everything.esp

56  Nicoroshi Creations.esp  [Version 1.2]

57  PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp

58  PrvtI_HeavyArmory_DG_Addon.esp

++  Sexy Armor Replacer Patch.esp

59  StormLord.esp

5A  UniqueWeaponsRedone.esp

5B  Unique Uniques.esp  [Version 1.5]

5C  Appeal Armors-PACK.esp

5D  Equip_Misc-PACK.esp

5E  Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp

5F  Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

++  Complete Crafting Overhaul_Dawnguard.esp

60  Complete Crafting Overhaul_Hearthfire.esp

61  Complete Crafting Overhaul_Dragonborn.esp

62  FMO.esp

63  Forge Menu Overhaul Smithing Experience Fix.esp

64  ERSO 02 - Enhanced Fauna and Monsters for Skyrim.esp

65  DeadlyDragons.esp

66  DSAMG - Greybeard Fix.esp

67  The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp  [Version 1.2.5]

68  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp

69  BetterQuestObjectives.esp

6A  Book Covers Skyrim.esp

6B  Book Covers Dawnguard.esp

6C  Book Covers Hearthfire.esp

6D  BlockSparkles.esp

6E  AOS_BlockSparkles Patch.esp

6F  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

70  WeaponsArmorFixes_GuardDialogueOverhaul_Patch.esp

71  Headtracking.esp

++  Proper Aiming.esp

++  SameWalkRunSpeedsLite.esp

72  Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp

73  SkyFalls Plus SkyMills - All DLC.esp

74  SFO_GOS_Grassification-PACK.esp

75  Convenient Horses.esp

76  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

77  dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

78  dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

79  AOS_EBT Patch.esp

7A  Speed Revised.esp

7B  skyforgedWeapons.esp

7C  aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

7D  WeaponsArmorFixes_ambSkyforge_Patch.esp

7E  Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp

7F  Skyrim unleashed_npc.esp

80  Skyrim unleashed_Hardcore_npc_addon.esp

81  OBIS.esp

82  OBISDB.esp

83  EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

84  ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp

85  ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

86  ELFX - Dragonborn.esp

87  COT-PACK.esp

88  AOS_COT-DG Patch.esp

89  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp

8A  Better Vampires.esp

8B  BFSEffects.esp

8C  Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp

8D  DeadlyCombat.esp

8E  DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp

8F  Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp

90  Dodge Mod.esp

91  The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

92  TKDodge.esp

93  Enhanced Soul Trap.esp

94  Soul Gems Differ - E.esp

95  PerkUP-PACK.esp

96  PerkUP-Archery.esp

97  PerkUP-TwoHanded.esp

98  dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

99  HeartBreaker.esp  [Version 2.0]

9A  AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp

9B  Cosmetic-PACK.esp

9C  Amanda.esp

9D  Bee_V.esp

9E  rk_Followers UNP.esp

9F  Tauriel.esp

A0  Mei.esp

A1  NPCs Redone.esp

A2  OtherFacelifts.esp

A3  ApachiiHairMarriageFollowersFacelifts.esp

A4  SBF All In One + DLC v1.7.esp

A5  Bijin Warmaidens UNP One esp.esp

A6  Frea.esp

A7  Aela.esp

A8  Delphine Makeover.esp

A9  Serana.esp

AA  Rayya.esp

AB  SylgjaSylvan1.esp

AC  AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

AD  BetterQuestObjectives-PACK.esp

AE  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp

AF  CharGen Morphs.esp

B0  CharGen ECE Morphs.esp

B1  SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp  [Version 1.6]

B2  ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

B3  DawnguardRuneWeaponsFXSReplacer.esp

B4  ImpWeapEnchFX.esp

B5  RealisticWaterTwo.esp

B6  RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

B7  AOS_RWT Patch.esp

B8  AOS_ADS Patch.esp

B9  Xvision Children - USKP.esp

BA  Unique Region Names.esp  [Version 5]

BB  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

BC  Automatic Variants.esp

BD  LLI.esp

BE  Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

BF  EveryBody's Different.esp

 

Maybe mods that change the UI or add new menus:

Minimal HUD

Melt Down Everything 

iHUD

A Matter of Time

 

 

EDIt-----------

I can confirm that Melt Down Everything will stop the HDT dll.

 

Selecting "Finish item meltdown" will always stop HDT.

Either in the Tannin Hack or in the Smelter 

 

 

[D_ManXX2]

 

 

Strange problem, 11-xx release seem to stop working after 20-30 min of gameplay.  Sometimes it will back on for a few moment and stop working again.

 

9-28 has no such problem.  

 

check your hdt logs are they saying something with delay etc.. ? If so maybe hdt is failing on your pc.

When hdt stops working i check hdt logs i get allot of spam with delay occurring.

 

 

I don't think so.

It stop working if a menu closed without a menuclosed event, or there's a menu showing which should not pause the plugin(but the plugin doesn't know that. menu from mod etc. ).

should I write menu open close into log? It will make it really huge.

 

 

Wait a minute are you saying mod like elyse mem will also cause hdt to stop working ?? elyse makes menu working with dll when scroll button is activated.

other then that enb i have no other mod apart from SKyUI who uses menu.

 

 

[Hollerboller1970]

hdt stops working after every single sexlab act, no matter wich dll i use. Restart the game helps but after the next sexact hdt stops working again.

dam'n i love the hdt system but if it stops working every time after sex i have to pick one or the other, in that case i will always choose sexlab.^^

 

I hope it will be possible to solve the problem because hdt is more than amazing.

 

 

Sorry for my bad english

[kavvanshrike]

aside from the black spot on the back of the head(which seems evident even without textures)

 

 

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there seems to be a texture issue with the frostfall frost shader on one half of the hair.

 

 

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[xp32]

aside from the black spot on the back of the head(which seems evident even without textures)

 

 

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there seems to be a texture issue with the frostfall frost shader on one half of the hair.

 

 

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for small black spot, I can fix that

 

for that snow issue

I really can't fix that.

 

If only HDT plugin can separate this two entity to load xml in different layer: hairline.nif and hair.nif. Even if I disable collision or add collision filter info to both of them, they still will collide as if the 2 two xml is merged into one environment. I just need for this hair (hairline has different layer or something but they will collide to their own rigid inside their own xml, not other rigid from other xml;hair)

 

EDIT: NEW dll did make use of collision filter. I think I'm gonna do some tweak.

EDIT2: After some tweak, Seems "main hair.nif" ignore collision while "hairline.nif" did have the collision back. I put hairline nif at "collision filter info" layer 2 and put main hair nif at layer 1. Layer 2 and 1 did the work to ignore collision but one of them ignoring it. hmmm.. maybe if I put 0