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On 8/22/2021 at 12:22 PM, -Caden- said:

HAHA I havent read many comments but saw the title? Men's Shame? I have none of that and "Toxic Masculinity" is a term created to TRY am shame men to act the way they want cause they don't like it. its all BS for the weak. People like to use terms to try and shame people into being quiet,

Also called society. If that doesn't work they use force rather successfully I might add. You got a problem with that fix the system. Actually just burn it to the ground and start over. It really needs it.

On 8/22/2021 at 12:22 PM, -Caden- said:

, A few comments above is a great example, someone disagrees with what someone else says so they call them "8 year old Timmy". Trying to shame them into thinking the way they do by calling them immature.

Timmy was being silly so we in turn were also silly. Everybody was having fun. But since you are nice I'll tell you the obvious truth. Men don't hide their emotions, bitches hide their emotions. If I was angry you'd damn well know it unlike the bitches that call themselves men. Crying doesn't mean low T levels it means you are not Chuck Norris nor will you ever be Chuck Norris. Pink was originally a color for men until around 1918 when it became blue but matching colors is just bullshit humans made up anyway. If you were a man you'd wear what you want and not what daddy wants you to wear. It is true that men did some incredible shit and now women have the opportunity to be something other than nurse maids. Men serve their country but they also start wars so just something to think about.

On 8/22/2021 at 12:22 PM, -Caden- said:

It's crazy in a world that everyone wants to claim to be unique, they fight off anyone who is different. Hypocrites, and if all else fails, they will grammar check thier post, like grammar is any form of intelligence. ?

It is if you want to read the darn thing. Then again we're talking about human rights on a porn site which strikes me as funny. Serious matters are kind of a turn off for most people. Not canceling just sayin. Have a nice day~

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5 hours ago, Darkpig said:

Also called society. If that doesn't work they use force rather successfully I might add. You got a problem with that fix the system. Actually just burn it to the ground and start over. It really needs it.

Agreed

 

5 hours ago, Darkpig said:

Timmy was being silly so we in turn were also silly. Everybody was having fun

Thats on me then for assuming, my bad.

5 hours ago, Darkpig said:

 It is true that men did some incredible shit and now women have the opportunity to be something other than nurse maids. 

Have always in "Equality" when most do not, and I mean equality all around, ever though I never have hit a woman, I believe if a human assaults another human, them lay em out. Then all you hear is " you shouldn't hit a woman", really? What happen to equality? "bullshit humans made up anyway. If you were a man you'd wear what you want and not what daddy wants you to wear." Falls under the same way of thinking , does it not?

5 hours ago, Darkpig said:

It is if you want to read the darn thing. Then again we're talking about human rights on a porn site which strikes me as funny. Serious matters are kind of a turn off for most people. Not canceling just sayin. Have a nice day

Again agreed, I went with the BS title, If a title talked woman shit, you and I both know women would have a meltdown, and this would be already taken down, I'm glad its up, but not going to ignore it and not put my two cents in. As far "Serious matters are kind of a turn off for most people." you are right, they are a turn of for people, when you disagree with them. The art of a good debate got lost in the world. Good to have one now and then.

5 hours ago, Darkpig said:

Men don't hide their emotions, bitches hide their emotions. If I was angry you'd damn well know it unlike the bitches that call themselves men. Crying doesn't mean low T levels it means you are not Chuck Norris nor will you ever be Chuck Norris. Pink was originally a color for men until around 1918 when it became blue but matching colors is just bullshit humans made up anyway. If you were a man you'd wear what you want and not what daddy wants you to wear.

I completely have a different take on this. Parenting is flawed and always has been, We all are, in some way, an image of the society that raised us. I don't care about wearing a color, I'll cry if I need too, and throw down if its called for. A statement like "If you were a man" is like calling someone a homophobe, racist and term

to control how they thing, your trying to put it onto a category that fits your agenda. PEOPLE are a product of what thier parents raised, taught behavior, Men told not to cry, women told the need to find a man to take care of them, its all BS that forms the way people think and act.

5 hours ago, Darkpig said:

Men serve their country but they also start wars so just something to think about.

Again have to disagree. They claim Mike Tyson raped a woman, even though I think he was set up, lets say for this talk he did it. Does that mean all blacks are rapist? So ALL men started wars? Laughable, thats doing the same thing, putting everyone in one category. Quoting Bill Burr " Women rolled around in the blood money with the men, so sit down and take your talking too. Don't try and jump a fence and play the victim on what happen and point the blame elsewhere.

I got long winded, but I enjoy a good debate, no ill will intended, Have a good day as well.

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On 8/22/2021 at 9:22 PM, -Caden- said:

HAHA I havent read many comments but saw the title? Men's Shame? I have none of that and "Toxic Masculinity" is a term created to TRY am shame men to act the way they want cause they don't like it. its all BS for the weak.

 

People like to use terms to try and shame people into being quiet,

 

Words are magic spells for a lot of women and effeminate men. The words don't matter, it's the effect that matters.

 

On 8/22/2021 at 9:22 PM, -Caden- said:

like grammar is any form of intelligence. ?

 

 

Grammar can help assess a person's degree of intelligence/stupidity. It is only one non-comprehensive factor out of many. Decent grammar makes reading more pleasant.

 

 

On 8/22/2021 at 9:22 PM, -Caden- said:

All of this coming form a bunch of men pretending to be women on the internet.

 

Most of such men don't need to pretend. Many of them have been emasculated and behave like women. But it's not just men. Some women have already exhibited idiocy and toxicity on other threads.

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, stingray1995 said:

This again ... haven't they locked this down yet? I'm totally straight (don't try to stop me), always loved boobies, big badonkadonks with tons of curves, estrogen, those 8-10s (you know the types), stuff that only broke Adam would have had a chance at having back when she was perfect.

 

With all that said, who wants to put a dildo in my ass and make me wish I was one of those superior beings? Ya think it will change my mind about loving them? Must be heaven for them and hell for the rest of us born with dicks.

 

Their hell starts after the age of 30.

 

The world today is better for men than women. Men get told the truth about their value in the society, which pushes men to improve themselves, put effort, be disciplined and make progress.

 

Women are lied to throughout their lives about their value, which is enormously overrated and fake. By the time they start seeing the truth, it's already far too late. Their greatest value (fertility and appearance) have become irredeemably lost and a lonely death in a puddle of cat piss awaits many of them. A woman dies twice: first, when she loses her looks; then, when she loses her life.

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39 minutes ago, catchyorbit said:

Grammar can help assess a person's degree of intelligence/stupidity. It is only one non-comprehensive factor out of many. Decent grammar makes reading more pleasant.

Complete opinion, as society fly's now people like to think it is, kind of like saying obese is sexy, opinion, or Bruce Jenner is a hero, all stuff to make people feel better, some day civilization will fall, again, we may not see it but when it does, I can promise you that grammar is not going to help you survive as a species.

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3 minutes ago, -Caden- said:

Complete opinion, as society fly's now people like to think it is, kind of like saying obese is sexy, opinion, or Bruce Jenner is a hero, all stuff to make people feel better

 

When a person has good grammar, there is a good chance that a person read a lot of books, accumulated knowledge and has a broad outlook. I did meet a few morons with good grammar though.

 

3 minutes ago, -Caden- said:

some day civilization will fall

 

It's falling right now.

 

3 minutes ago, -Caden- said:

I can promise you that grammar is not going to help you survive as a species.

 

It is not so much the grammar itself but the intellectual background behind it. An intelligent person has better chances to utilise the surrounding environment for survival, build tools and know where to go and what to do.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, catchyorbit said:

When a person has good grammar, there is a good chance that a person read a lot of books, accumulated knowledge and has a broad outlook. I did meet a few morons with good grammar though.

That's a fair

 

24 minutes ago, catchyorbit said:

It's falling right now.

100% agree, we are in a free fall and most don't see it

 

24 minutes ago, catchyorbit said:

It is not so much the grammar itself but the intellectual background behind it. An intelligent person has better chances to utilise the surrounding environment for survival, build tools and know where to go and what to do.

Very good point

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7 hours ago, catchyorbit said:

Their hell starts after the age of 30.

 

That's a fair argument I hadn't really considered, probably because I said that aforementioned balderdash while heavily inebriated and only would have said it while being so. But 30? That early? 40, maybe. They are looking pretty damn good in their 30s; you know the types; the intangible and extremely high maintenance to points where one has to wonder if it's even worth it — but, of course, it is with them (emphasizing: only them), but, my God, the amounts of stress/upkeep has to be shedding a few years off our own lives in the process. And let's face it: does anything get any better for us guys after 40?  I'm dreading 30; I truly am.

 

I pulled this up from the script of a pretty popular movie I rediscovered recently regarding these types of women, so you can't repudiate me (moderators and free-spirits) for being the one who said it, and I'm not even sure I agree with all of it, but there's no denying the modern day 'social psychology,' going on here:

 

If they have a good personality and they are not great looking, then who fucking cares ?

Let's just say hypothetically, okay ?

What if they have a good personality ?

I know. I know. 

There are no girls with good personalities.

A good personality consists of a chick with a little hard body... 

who will satisfy all sexual demands... 

without being too slutty about things... 

and who will essentially keep her dumb fucking mouth shut. 

The only girls with good personalities... 

who are smart or maybe funny or halfway intelligent or talented-- 

though God knows what the fuck that means-- are ugly chicks. 

Absolutely. And this is because they have to make up... 

for how fucking unattractive they are. 

- Do you know what Ed Gein said about women ? - Maitre d' at Canal Bar ? 

- No, serial killer, Wisconsin, in the 50s. - And what did Ed say ? 

"When I see a pretty girl walking down the street, I think two things. 

"One part of me wants to take her out and talk to her, 

be real nice and sweet and treat her right." 

- And what did the other part of him think ? 

What her head would look like on a stick. 
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16 hours ago, -Caden- said:

They claim Mike Tyson raped a woman, even though I think he was set up, lets say for this talk he did it. Does that mean all blacks are rapist? So ALL men started wars? Laughable, thats doing the same thing, putting everyone in one category. Quoting Bill Burr " Women rolled around in the blood money with the men, so sit down and take your talking too. Don't try and jump a fence and play the victim on what happen and point the blame elsewhere.

I got long winded, but I enjoy a good debate, no ill will intended, Have a good day as well.

I mean I'm saying that the army is only just a group of dangerous individuals that is fighting another group of dangerous individuals. Society invests in them to protect but it is society that needs to keep them honest. You bring up a good point about women rolling in the blood money with men so to that I say have women help root out the bad cookies. Speaking of blood money it was around 1920 when women gained financial independence due to their husbands going to war so fairly recent in the grand scheme of things. The term "Toxic Masculinity" will likely never go away but most women I meet never use it anyway so I never think about it.

 

For as long as life exists men will stick up for their rights and women will stick up for theirs.

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7 hours ago, Darkpig said:

For as long as life exists men will stick up for their rights and women will stick up for theirs.

As we all should, great statement.

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26 minutes ago, Heinos said:

Wait, What is being discussed here??? ( im lazy to read all 18 pages and want context :P ) 

? I try to sum it up with two words "disturbed penisses"

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though I might have left out a huge part of the various viewpoints here
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13 hours ago, stingray1995 said:

 

But 30? That early? 40, maybe.

 

 

By the age of 30, about 90% of their eggs are gone. Fertility and looks are their main values. That's all they are selling to a man.

 

13 hours ago, stingray1995 said:

They are looking pretty damn good in their 30s;

 

 

Maybe in some parallel universe. I'm not impressed by the appearance of most women in their 20s. Women in their 30s don't even register on my radar. I have zero interest in mediocre women, I expect women to be above average in the looks department. And that's just the appearance. When it comes to what they bring to my table, they end up being absolutely bankrupt.

 

 

13 hours ago, stingray1995 said:

 

you know the types; the intangible and extremely high maintenance to points where one has to wonder if it's even worth it — but, of course, it is with them (emphasizing: only them), but, my God, the amounts of stress/upkeep has to be shedding a few years off our own lives in the process.

 

 

The majority of them are high maintenance, regardless of looks. Have you ever seen a mediocre woman ever tell a guy that he doesn't need to spend too much money on her because she's just average or below. I haven't. Women of any SMV expect the man to spend as much as possible on them and treat them like royalty.

 

13 hours ago, stingray1995 said:

And let's face it: does anything get any better for us guys after 40?  I'm dreading 30; I truly am.

 

 

Career, bank account, wisdom, self-confidence, hobbies, goals in life, free time, fun, serenity, peace, self-actualisation. All of that keeps getting better with age if the man does not make silly decisions. Men don't even lose their looks too much over time.

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2 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

This seems a more objective look at 'typical' male behavior I found interesting. From the perspective of guys who really never fit in with other guys mind you.

 

https://www.succeedsocially.com/relatingtoguys

 

 

 

 

That article makes some really good points.

"Hanging around them you get the feeling that they're always competing for status under the surface. Who can be the funniest? Who's the best at some trivial skill? Who can one up the other person's story? Similarly, they can be very touchy about their status being lowered. They'll react badly if they feel another guy has disrespected them somehow, and will do what they can to save face. The jerks among them will sometimes put another guy down to assert his higher rank."

 

Too funny, a friend of mine is like this, always telling everyone he is "Alpha" I tried to tell him that "Alpha's" are big and bad till they don't get thier own way then they throw a kids fit. Stop trying to give yourself a title and just be you.

 

He is always saying things like : " I was in 4 different Motorcycle clubs" Which he wasn't, and personal I don't have to wear a leather vest with colors to ride mine, personally I believe things like Clubs and Gangs are for weak minded people who need attention. So the status stuff that is talked about is a real thing, either trying to impress others or make others fear him.

I feel bad for him though, cause he is so into lying to make himself sound like something he is not, he is always unhappy cause he doesnt even know who he is any more.

 

 

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Pretending to be a bad boy isn't an alpha trait. And men who compete with other men are insecure. I had a friend like that who pulled average women left and right at best. For him, he thought they were the best a man can pull. Hardly. But for some reason he felt the need to feel competitive with me and put me down to make himself feel better. I guess because he's 5'9 and I'm 6'1 and he felt intimidated by my height. Anyways, I broke off my friendship one night after going to another friends graduation party. When he's drunk he gets aggressive and acts stupid. And he felt the need to talk shit to some random drunk idiots about me and we almost got into a fight that night. But I didn't want to be disrespectful at a friend's grad party with her family and friends there. Ended up leaving with a cousin of mine that went with me.

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1 hour ago, endgame † addiction said:

Pretending to be a bad boy isn't an alpha trait. And men who compete with other men are insecure. I had a friend like that who pulled average women left and right at best. For him, he thought they were the best a man can pull. Hardly. But for some reason he felt the need to feel competitive with me and put me down to make himself feel better. I guess because he's 5'9 and I'm 6'1 and he felt intimidated by my height. Anyways, I broke off my friendship one night after going to another friends graduation party. When he's drunk he gets aggressive and acts stupid. And he felt the need to talk shit to some random drunk idiots about me and we almost got into a fight that night. But I didn't want to be disrespectful at a friend's grad party with her family and friends there. Ended up leaving with a cousin of mine that went with me.

I hear ya, thats how this "friend" is. we don't hang out much anymore cause of the way he acts. 

 

1 hour ago, endgame † addiction said:

Pretending to be a bad boy isn't an alpha trait. And men who compete with other men are insecure.

Totally agree, unfortunately something in thier life makes them insecure

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you forgot one and its mostly in twitter or the resetera forums I have seen this in. Course it is seeping into videogames/Tv Shows/Movies/comics and they are trying with Anime but it is failing thankfully. That is Patriarchy and that it is bad alongside white man is bad, which also goes alongside of Toxic Masculinity. Their is more I could add but its all the same really Toxic Masculinity/Patriarchy oh and the "Male Gaze".

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9 hours ago, -Caden- said:

I hear ya, thats how this "friend" is. we don't hang out much anymore cause of the way he acts. 

 

Totally agree, unfortunately something in thier life makes them insecure

 

girls need to fulfill my extensive criteria for them to even earn my attention. Being thin and at least a 9/10 is two of the items on my list

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21 minutes ago, neontube100 said:

 

girls need to fulfill my extensive criteria for them to even earn my attention. Being thin and at least a 9/10 is two of the items on my list

Guess that makes me an odd ball.  My first GF was a bit on the heavy side but I still loved her for her personality.  Elizabeth was a kind, compassionate, caring and loving person.  I've met plenty of women similar to her and plenty that act like they're Miss Queen of the Universe.  Those I tend to despise, could care less if they had the body of a goddess.  Reason why usually hate 3rd wave feminists.

 

When you act like the universe revolves around you it makes me think, "you're not worth the air you breath.  If you can't show even a residue of humility, you're a waste of life."

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2 hours ago, neontube100 said:

 

girls need to fulfill my extensive criteria for them to even earn my attention. Being thin and at least a 9/10 is two of the items on my list

Everyone has thier criteria. my dad told me when I was younger, and my sisters for that matter. "If you want a good relationship, stay away from the once who are too pretty/handsome, cause they are so in love with themselves, the can never love someone else"

1 hour ago, legendarytoyou said:

Guess that makes me an odd ball.  My first GF was a bit on the heavy side but I still loved her for her personality.  Elizabeth was a kind, compassionate, caring and loving person.  I've met plenty of women similar to her and plenty that act like they're Miss Queen of the Universe.  Those I tend to despise, could care less if they had the body of a goddess.  Reason why usually hate 3rd wave feminists.

 

When you act like the universe revolves around you it makes me think, "you're not worth the air you breath.  If you can't show even a residue of humility, you're a waste of life."

Again we all have a type and what makes you happy is all that matters, I like a girl to be somewhat thick, but maintained, down to earth simple, not afraid to get her hands dirty in a garden, doesnt need to "doll up" just to go to the store to get milk, and had a brain, cause I like conversation, but then again complete freak behind closed doors..lol did want the think I was describing Mary Poppins or something.

 

1 hour ago, legendarytoyou said:

Reason why usually hate 3rd wave feminists.

 

When you act like the universe revolves around you it makes me think, "you're not worth the air you breath.  If you can't show even a residue of humility, you're a waste of life."

Agreed completely

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