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The problem was encoutered by some other users, but I haven't found a solution for it (at least the one that works for me).

 

So I have a following issue: during whipping scene the NPC that does the whipping freezes after few strokes mid-move. The scene is resumed when NPC is disabled/enabled, but then it's the same thing again - few strokes and freeze. Some people said this bug is caused by Ultimate Combat Overhaul and its stagger function, but disabling UCO doesn't help.

 

I am hoping you'll be able to help me. Thanks in advance!

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ohoh, whipping again? ?

 

What mod triggers the whipping in this case?

I know that Pet Project has a scene where whipping is glitched and would need a fix from the author.

SD+ has sometimes trouble (if something is between the whipping NPC and PC, or the whipping moved the PC too far away).

Combat mods can have an effect too.

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2 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

ohoh, whipping again? ?

 

What mod triggers the whipping in this case?

I know that Pet Project has a scene where whipping is glitched and would need a fix from the author.

SD+ has sometimes trouble (if something is between the whipping NPC and PC, or the whipping moved the PC too far away).

Combat mods can have an effect too.


Sorry to disappoint. It's actually all of them that fail. Slaverun, Captured Dreams (altough I'm not sure if I even should have it anymore), basically if there's a whipping scene, there will be freeze, SD+ included. The NPC just stops mid-move and can be moved again only by disabling/enabling.

 

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Drop a Load Order.

 

Did you overwrite ZAP in any way (again)?

FINS: any errors or animation duplicates in consistence check? (also drop you FNIS output into the thread)

 

To make glitch hunting easier, keep the core mods always on the same spot in LO (related to the mods that are connected to them at least) and don't overwrite them with anything (unless a mod author explains why you have to or if it makes any sense).

Core mods would be DDa, ZAP, XPMSE, FNIS in your case.

FNIS overwrites and ZAP overwrites can be critical in this case (like some combat mods like to do, with overwrite I mean FNIS file overwrites not necessary the load order).

 

Do you have any attack animation replacer?

Do you have any mod that effects the whips?

 

Also possible:

> NPC gets distracted by another mod (like wants to have sex with another NPC, wants to idle/autobox somewhere really badly)

> dirty save? if you add remove mods on your running game you might need to clean your save with FallrimTools in case something got stuck

> lots of active scripts running? check save for active scripts and suspended stacks

 

Maybe gives a hint too:

> Conflict research in Tes5edit

 

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@donttouchmethere

My LO:


 

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>Did you overwrite ZAP in any way (again)?

 

Nope. Not this time. Actually, the last time I had this error, but it wasn't pissing me off all that much.

 

>FINS: any errors or animation duplicates in consistence check? (also drop you FNIS output into the thread)

 

Nope, nothing alarming.

 

>Do you have any attack animation replacer?

 

Probably. Frankly I completely forgot I have them :P. I'll check if they are the problem.

 

>Do you have any mod that effects the whips?

 

Nope.

 

Other than that - the save is clean and quite fresh, I don't think this is a script issue, rather an animation conflict.

Oh, and by the way - thanks for the assists yet again. I'll get back to you when I check the combat animations.

 

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51 minutes ago, kapibar said:

TKDodge.esp
UltimateCombat.esp

Make sure those don't overwrite FNIS files.

They work even if you don't overwrite FNIS files

In LO I would also keep them above FNIS (but that might be just my superstition)

 

53 minutes ago, kapibar said:

ELFX - Exteriors.esp
ELFX - Weathers.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
Vivid Weathers.esp
Vivid Weathers - Extended Snow.esp

Doesn't effect whipping, but why would you have multiple weather mods? Only the last one will win (if you are lucky), unless you have a patch that needs both of them.

 

55 minutes ago, kapibar said:

FNIS.esp
FNIS_PCEA2.esp
FNIS_PCEA2RaceSwitchFix.esp

PCEA? Arghs, I can't help with that, I have no idea how that can effect the whipping scene

 

56 minutes ago, kapibar said:

AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

 

57 minutes ago, kapibar said:

EFFStandCosMenu.esp

I guess EFFStandCOSMenu has nothing to do with EFF Follower System right?

 

 

 

You have some evil mix of big devious LL quest mods there. How do you manage to play them together?

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>but why would you have multiple weather mods?

 

Frankly - it's because I totally forgot they're there :P.

 

>PCEA? Arghs, I can't help with that, I have no idea how that can effect the whipping scene

 

Well, I'll just treat it as suspicious and try to kill it when I have a chance.

 

>I guess EFFStandCOSMenu has nothing to do with EFF Follower System right?

 

It's a cosmetic menu spell. At least I think it is.

 

>You have some evil mix of big devious LL quest mods there. How do you manage to play them together?

 

Trials and errors, man. Trials and errors. The base of my LO is quite old, never changed it because I don't even remember what these mods do. From what I gathered the whipping is the last thing that refuses to work properly, other than that the game is quite stable. Except when it isn't, but that's Skyrim. It's unstable when it's installed.

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1 hour ago, kapibar said:

It's a cosmetic menu spell. At least I think it is.

Does it work?

If it's an EFF plugin you might get issues without EFF (you're using AFT atm for followers)

If it works I wanna have it too lol

 

EDIT: found it https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/93112?tab=posts

does it work for you?

 

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

Except when it isn't, but that's Skyrim. It's unstable when it's installed.

That's the wrong mind setting. The base setup should be stable and work for hours without CTD or glitches.

If you have regularly glitches and CTD than your Setup is just bad and it's the user that is unstable and not Skyrim ^^

I talk from experience! ?

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1 hour ago, kapibar said:

I don't even remember what these mods do.

That will make any bug hunting very hard o.o

 

I guess you are not using the various SRR patches either from the SRR topic?

 

I would say: throw everything out you don't remember.

Some mods in your LO don't go well together, at least not if you trigger them all at once lol

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>Does it work?

 

Yeah, it does what it's supposed to do.

 

>If you have regularly glitches and CTD than your Setup is just bad and it's the user that is unstable and not Skyrim ^^

 

Regularly? Nah. It's standard, usual Skyrim fuckery. The same things can be encountered on the console. Sometimes the loading fails, some locations cause CTD from time to time, some quests don't trigger... Skyrim wasn't exactly bug free to begin with. I remember my first playthrough on console. The mammoth flew away from the fight, then the game crashed.

>That will make any bug hunting very hard o.o

Actually I have yet to trigger any whipping scene, but I have a feeling that you were right on the money with combat animation. I had at least one and from what I recall the bug started around the same time I installed shitload of animation mods.

>I would say: throw everything out you don't remember.

Yeah, that's the last last resort, like I said - this setup is semi-stable and playable. I encountered pretty much every bug in the book, if something works by some sort of daedric magic I'll take it. But I'll keep you posted on my findings.

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Hey @donttouchmethere. I've been somewhat busy and I haven't had chance to check everything, but for now it seems that animation pack isn't the culprit. I'm testing if critical hit is the cause, but triggering whipping may take some time. Anyway, I'm going through your suggestions one by one,  I'll get back to you when I have something more solid.

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1 hour ago, kapibar said:

@donttouchmethere then I suppose I'll have to learn to live with this bug. There's no chance that I'll be able to do such a thing anytime soon :(.

I know that feeling and I wish I would know the exact reason for this to happen to save you from that.

 

My only other idea would be creating a papyrus log of the whipping scene and post it so some might be able to see an error in there related to whipping.

You could also check with console what scripts are running on the PC, maybe that gives a clue.

 

I think I had that issue too long ago (unrelated to mod scenes that can also cause that). I never found out why it happened, but I'm also brutal to my LO and removed and rebuild a lot, while just hoping I caught the conflicting mod.

 

That's actually a permanently ongoing process >.<

Like you I try to have as many devious mods in one game, also trying to have always the newest stuff, but that slowly changes.

 

If I had a LO composition like you atm I would lower the amount of mods that have whipping scenes and remove all combat mods and would check if ZAP installation is still A-Okay.

 

What you could also do - but what only helps if the NPC don't are effected by any script permanently - is to check in TES5edit if anything conflicts with ZAP whips or mod scenes.

 

Btw, did I ever ask what mod triggered the failed whipping scene? ?

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14 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Do you see me grasping at straws? ^^

Your grasping at straws is still helluva lot more educated than me decimating my LO, which I did by the way. I killed off majority of my plugins and it didn't work. ZAP MCM also did nothing, unfortunately.

 

>Btw, did I ever ask what mod triggered the failed whipping scene? ?

 

You sure did, and I responded that every mod has this issue. Currently I'm doing testing on the Slaverun, but basically every whipping scene ends the same way - there's a first combo and the freeze occurs during a power attack.

 

At this moment I'm almost certain that this wasn't caused by combat mods, as they were all killed at one point or another.

 

>My only other idea would be creating a papyrus log

 

No idea how to to that :P

 

>check in TES5edit if anything conflicts with ZAP whips or mod scenes.

 

Yup. Don't know how to do it (I believe you'll see the pattern).

 

>You could also check with console what scripts are running on the PC, maybe that gives a clue.

 

Again - no idea which command to use. But this might give you a clue - the freeze does not occur exclusively when the PC is in the scene. It's the same when the NPC whips an NPC.

 

I'm somewhat certain that this isn't caused by any plugin mod, as most of them were switched off at some point (I had to kill off plugins in groups, as an extensive shut down would brake the loading). But this is just a theory, and as my knowledge is limited at best - an uneducated one.

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6 hours ago, Kingslayer101 said:

Was there any solution to your problem @kapibar ? I too have that issue and it happens in Prison Overhaul too.

 

I'm not exactly sure. It seems to be solved, at least in the previous shape of the bug. As I recall, the culprit was pretty combat animation, or some other combat animation overhaul, and this is where I'd start. Just get rid of everything that is messing with one handed and rebuild from there.

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1 hour ago, kapibar said:

 

I'm not exactly sure. It seems to be solved, at least in the previous shape of the bug. As I recall, the culprit was pretty combat animation, or some other combat animation overhaul, and this is where I'd start. Just get rid of everything that is messing with one handed and rebuild from there.


Oh I have Pretty combat anims too. I'll take a look, thanks.

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