DarkChaoX Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Okay so. I need some serious help from experienced modders and could even appreciate personal messages if needed. While i have less than 254 plugins (thanks to merges), MO behaves like i have already reached the mod limit, meaning that the game will NOT load any of the plugins including any of the original DLCs. My game is VERY heavilly modded but carefully configured. If anyone could have a possible idea please let me know. I seriously need this help right now. To clarify, im always below the 254 limit (253 with the mods that CAN load normally still), and have reduced it before to 250 to test if same thing applies and it does). I cannot run ANY patches since enabling them cause the same issue and i have done all my merges using zEdit (zMerge) Removing some mods from Merges seem to help but i do not wanna remove any further mods as there should be no issue. I have literally tried everything in my knowledge, checked ini files, papyrus, removed and readded ENBs, making patches for a possible fix, running the Relinker included in zMerge, all to no avail. I feel like i hit a wall that shouldnt exist and i cannot for the life of me figure it out. There is no crash. Game loads without any mods and i get the notification that no plugins AT ALL are enabled (as mentioned not even the original dlcs). If i click new game, the game starts as if there are no mods and its all Vanilla. Reference count is at 600k so thats not an issue either. The load order that follows is the one that can still load. Enabling ANY mods (even basic armor or sword mods), will cause the issue be it a patch or anything at all. I am using Mod Organizer 2 but this should not be an issue either as i have tried switching profiles as well as reinstalling the entirety of Mod Organizer for it to work. Load order from LOOT is as follows (many are merged)(needless to say they have all been sorted): 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm 6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 7 7 Falskaar.esm 8 8 Heels Sound.esm 9 9 EFFCore.esm 10 a WM Flora Fixes.esp 11 b ApachiiHair.esm 12 c ApachiiHairFemales.esm 13 d Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 14 e BSAssets.esm 15 f SexLab.esm 16 10 SexLabAroused.esm 17 11 Devious Devices - Assets.esm 18 12 OSA.esm 19 13 actorEvents.esm 20 14 TERAArmors.esm 21 15 hdtHighHeel.esm 22 16 CreatureFramework.esm 23 17 dcc-soulgem-oven-000.esm 24 18 PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm 25 19 SGHairPackBase.esm 26 1a ApachiiHairMales.esm More Interactive Items.ESM 27 1b LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp 28 1c 3DNPC.esp 29 1d Helgen Reborn.esp 30 1e RelicsofHyruleDragonborn.esp More Interactive Items [Dawnguard].ESM 31 1f Evil Lair of Hydra.esm 32 20 AKSkyrimUnderground.esp 33 21 SkyrimSewers.esp 34 22 Dwarfsphere.esp 35 23 SMSkyrim.esp 36 24 arnima.esm 37 25 MagicDuelReborn.esm 38 26 RSkyrimChildren.esm 39 27 BSHeartland.esm 40 28 SkyMoMod.esm 41 29 HammetDungeons.esm BBLuxurySuite.esm 42 2a Clockwork.esp More Interactive Items [Hearthfire].ESM 43 2b BecomeKingofSkyrim.esp 44 2c BS_DLC_patch.esp 45 2d Campfire.esm 46 2e Devious Devices - Integration.esm 47 2f Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 48 30 Darkend.esp 49 31 notice board.esp 50 32 Vigilant.esm 51 33 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 52 34 moonpath.esm 53 35 Gray Fox Cowl.esm 54 36 Haem Projects Goblands.esp 55 37 summersetisles.esp 56 38 Worldofrudra.esm 57 39 daymoyl.esm 58 3a LevelersTower.esm 59 3b MolagBalsInferno.esm 60 3c Maelstrom.esp 61 3d Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm 62 3e GeneralStores.esm RE_RealEstate_Core.esp 63 3f RaceCompatibility.esm HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp 64 40 TouringCarriages.esp 65 41 Cutting Room Floor.esp 66 42 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 67 43 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 68 44 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp 69 45 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp 70 46 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp 71 47 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 72 48 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 73 49 SkyUI.esp 74 4a UIExtensions.esp 75 4b AddItemMenuLE.esp 76 4c Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp Code Vein.esp Loc Hibachi.esp Loco Hibachi Samurai color skin.esp Kaine Dlc2.esp YoRHa Unit.esp 77 4d KS Hairdo's.esp YunDao_Hdt_Hair.esp 78 4e SlaveTats.esp 79 4f FISS.esp 80 50 AMatterOfTime.esp 81 51 iHUD.esp 82 52 SkyHUD.esp 83 53 WM_WidgetMod.esp 84 54 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp 85 55 zzEstrus.esp 86 56 Animated Dragon Wings.esp 87 57 Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp 88 58 EatingSleepingDrinking.esp 89 59 halfdragonrace.esp 90 5a Real Flying.esp TakeNotes.esp 91 5b BSHeartland - Meshes.esp 92 5c BSHeartland - Textures.esp LovelyHairstylesCE.esp SGHairPackAIO.esp Fort Takeovers.esp 93 5d SimplyKnock.esp 94 5e VioLens.esp 95 5f RaceMenu.esp 96 60 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 97 61 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 98 62 SexLabDefeat.esp 99 63 mslDeviousCaptures.esp FNIS EIS - Oden.esp PrettyMotionMCM.esp GPPoses.esp cpkinokopose.esp Halo's Poser.esp PP_KSeries.esp 100 64 OSA Poser Module.esp 101 65 Realistic AI Detection 2 - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp 102 66 SexLabMatchMaker.esp 103 67 RSChildren.esp RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp 104 68 3PCO.esp YamatoScbAction.esp CircleSword.esp MarblePhantasm.esp PulleysButterfly.esp 105 69 H2135FantasySeries6.esp 106 6a NIER 2B Set by Team TAL.esp FF_Okimono.esp TW Ciri DLC by Team TAL.esp Plague Bearer.esp MBO 0048.esp MBO Pack by Team TAL.esp 107 6b SOSRaceMenu.esp 108 6c XPMSE.esp 109 6d HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp Fudou Myouou.esp Bishu Osafune-ju Morikage.esp KatanaCrafting.esp iEquip.esp FacelightPlus.esp [COCO]wedding_2B.esp Animated Featherd wings.esp Brows.esp SGEyebrows.esp 110 6e MilkModNEW.esp HeartBreaker.esp AncientDraugr.esp DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp BlackCat26.esp 111 6f SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp Berserk Griffith.esp [dint]_NeirAutomataHDT.esp 112 70 MilkModNEW CF.esp 113 71 MilkModNEW HF.esp MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp 114 72 SexLabTools.esp 115 73 hmkLockOn.esp 116 74 GoToBed.esp Draw!!.esp CannabisUpdate.esp SkyTweak.esp H2135FantasySeries4.esp PumpingIron.esp Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp 117 75 SignatureEquipment.esp vSS_SuperStash.esp Nier Outfit.esp mintylightningmod.esp 118 76 Nemesis PCEA.esp 119 77 NIOVHH.esp 120 78 FNIS.esp 121 79 SerialStrip.esp Remodeled Armor - Dragonborn.esp 122 7a 2020 Chaos Merge.esp 123 7b Castle Draco's Legendary DLC Edition.esp Destructible Skyrim.esp degradation.esp 124 7c Disparity.esp DialogueTweaks.esp 125 7d RealisticRoomRental.esp DepthsOfSkyrim.esp 126 7e CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp 127 7f Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 128 80 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp 129 81 moonpath_questdata.esp 130 82 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 131 83 ELFX Patch Merge.esp NorthernGrass.esp [Kirax] Project Vindictus Vol.1 Remastered.esp Remodeled Armor - Dawnguard.esp DM&SG.esp MaximumDrive.esp 132 84 WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esp 133 85 Rebirth Monster.esp 134 86 WARZONES - DLC - Assault Attack.esp Book Covers Skyrim.esp 135 87 GreatWarSkyrim.esp 136 88 SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp Ultimate NPC Overhaul II.esp Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp KurooNekoPhotoStudio.esp SRC - All-In-One.esp 137 89 ZIA_Complete Pack.esp 138 8a Celestials.esp 139 8b P1FlyingRing.esp 140 8c BOIII Merge pack.esp 141 8d Dangerous All-in-One Merge pack.esp 142 8e Shezarrine.esp xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp 143 8f DwemerColosseum.esp Skyrim Bridges.esp CharacterMakingExtender.esp Phenderix Magic World.esp 144 90 PsijicOrder.esp CWIELnFXPatch.esp 145 91 Ambriel.esp 146 92 _tck_SpellCrafting.esp 147 93 WetandCold.esp 148 94 Chaos Third Merge.esp Birdsofskyrim.esp 149 95 Merge Pack Bleach and Cannabis.esp No More Ugly Effects.esp hold guard.esp UBWRe.esp 150 96 SexLab-Stories.esp 151 97 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp SoS_ELFX_Patch.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp RE_RealEstate.esp Training Dummies & Targets - Falskaar Edition.esp 152 98 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp 153 99 Undeath.esp 154 9a Combat Evolved.esp 155 9b Immersive Weapons.esp 156 9c Patches Combined Merge.esp 157 9d Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp 158 9e DSer360MovementBehavior.esp Snark.esp 159 9f Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp 160 a0 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp The Ningheim.esp Misc Dialogue Edits.esp 161 a1 zThingsInDark.esp Sea of Spirits.esp JobsofSkyrim.esp Holidays.esp 162 a2 NewArmoury.esp Skyrim Wayshrines.esp 163 a3 MoreNastyCritters.esp Personalized Music v 6.0.esp 164 a4 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp sanguinesDebauchery.esp 165 a5 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp Corpse_Preparation.esp WayshrinesIFT.esp 166 a6 SMIM-Merged-All.esp Immersive Encounters.esp 167 a7 zMirai.esp 168 a8 Escape the Cell.esp Arcanum.esp Bandit Economy - LE.esp SpellResearch.esp Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp 169 a9 Growl - Werebeasts of Skyrim.esp Afterlife.esp 170 aa Inigo.esp 171 ab ChaosDragons.esp 172 ac fallentreebridges.esp SkyBleach.esp Immersive Wenches.esp Deadly Wenches.esp Forgotten Wenches.esp Judgment Wenches.esp 173 ad flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp 174 ae UltimateDragons.esp chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp 175 af Deviously Cursed Loot.esp Trainers Guild v10.1.esp 176 b0 EFFDialogue.esp NorthernCardinal.esp 177 b1 SimpleSlavery.esp 178 b2 Immersive Patrols II.esp RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp 179 b3 Hunterborn.esp Colorful_Magic.esp 180 b4 Frostfall.esp 181 b5 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 182 b6 SofiaFollower.esp 183 b7 MiraakFollower.esp Trainers Guild.esp 184 b8 Marriable Serana.esp 185 b9 Playable Monster Mod.esp 186 ba xamnant.esp 187 bb quest into the depths.esp Hateful Wenches.esp 188 bc MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasicB.esp 189 bd KNM_Mour.esp 190 be Tools of Kagrenac.esp ssapbwk.esp 191 bf SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp 192 c0 LupineWerewolfPerkExpansionMirrorPerks.esp 193 c1 Midas Magic Expanded.esp 194 c2 WorldEaterBeater.esp Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp Glowtastic.esp TimingIsEverything.esp The Fifth Gate.esp 195 c3 SOS - Shop.esp 196 c4 balfer.esp SkyrimReputation_S2011.esp 197 c5 ForgottenCity.esp 198 c6 daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp 199 c7 Missives.esp FlyableDragons.esp Spellsword.esp 200 c8 darkproject.esp 201 c9 Naruto Overhaul.esp 202 ca UchihaClan.esp Use Special Markers.esp 203 cb The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp HallsOfDovahndor.esp 204 cc [dint]BDO_Clothes_Pack.esp 205 cd Magic of the Magna-Ge.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Undriel_Everlight.esp 206 ce Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp SuccubusRaceLite.esp 207 cf Vampirelordroyal.esp 208 d0 Shrouded Lair.esp Reaper's The Dark Tower.esp Godswords - Johnskyrim.esp fx_eye_candy_rings.esp Bijin Warmaidens.esp GuildStarter.esp Men of Winter.esp Men of Winter - Skills&Perks Module.esp ColdharbourDaedra.esp Lanterns Of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard.esp MHufb001.esp Trainers Guild v5.4.esp 209 d1 iNeed.esp 210 d2 Ravengate.esp 211 d3 MoonAndStar_Undeath_compat.esp [Christine] DOA - Night Parade of One Hundred Demons.esp Cannabis.esp 212 d4 vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp LTEB.esp Dwarvenbikini.esp chfshImbuedSword.esp ASwordAccursed_v2.01.esp 213 d5 Hermit.esp DestructibleDisplayCases.esp 214 d6 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp 215 d7 The Last Merge.esp 216 d8 Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp 217 d9 ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp The Ordinary Women.esp 218 da Gray Fox Cowl - Alternative Start.esp TERA Weapons.esp DraugrSkirts.esp Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp Merta Assassin Armor.esp DragonLordSwords.esp CROSS_Crucible.esp Cassandra Frost Witch.esp Andromeda.esp 219 db Vigor - Combat and Injuries.esp DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp Scribe.esp YotoHatamonba.esp Crime Overhaul.esp CWICRFPatch.esp AetherSuite.esp Merta Black Rose Armor.esp SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp 220 dc LPBards.esp 221 dd HentaiCreatures.esp 222 de zzzSXP.esp 223 df hmkLockOn_LockonTeamAddon.esp DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Convenient Horses.esp Remodeled Armor.esp TheHermit.esp SpellswordApocalypse.esp SpellswordEmergence.esp More Dialogue Options.esp ExpandedNPCDialogue.esp Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp MannequinStayStill.esp DragonCombatDialogue.esp More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings and Tail.esp More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Flying Mod Addon.esp wizDynamicThings.esp 224 e0 DSerCombatGameplayOverhaul.esp WandsOfSkyrim.esp Vasto Lorde Transformation.esp Daedric Bitchs.esp BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp ValkyrieSwordShield.esp LB_GroveMatronStaff.esp Daedric Reaper Armor.esp Tsukuyomi.esp vION_IonCannon.esp Equipping Overhaul.esp 225 e1 Devious Devices - Equip.esp StrangeRunes.esp Real Clouds.esp Nightingale Prime remaster.esp Serana.esp VerisFollower.esp Twins.esp SeranaDialogAddon.esp SwordOfNunoboko.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp dD-DG-DB-MonsterMod EBT Patch v4.esp 226 e2 DeadlyCombat.esp UltimateCombat.esp BattleBrothers.esp Jormundandr Dragon.esp 227 e3 S3_REMASTERED.esp Blaze Of Eventide.esp DragonFastTravelRedone.esp Krev The Skinner's Mantle by Hothtrooper44.esp Potions.esp Haem Projects Shalidor.esp Marriable Serana HF.esp alufiend.esp 228 e4 EstrusChaurus.esp 229 e5 EstrusDwemer.esp 230 e6 EstrusSpider.esp 231 e7 Immersive Sounds - Aural Assortment.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp PlayRandomIdle.esp Weather Spell.esp Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp 232 e8 Footprints.esp AchieveThat.esp TavernGames.esp Immersive Speechcraft.esp ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp Men of Winter - Compatibility Patch.esp DiverseDragonsCollection3.esp WetFunction.esp TailArmors.esp Critical Hit.esp Illustrious HDT Cloaks.esp LostGrimoire.esp ShadowSpellPackage.esp 233 e9 Tainted_Blood.esp _tck_camp_PortableAltar.esp 234 ea Worldofrudra.esp MoonAndStar_ImmersionPatch.esp EnchantedArsenal.esp Vivid Weathers.esp WetandCold - Ashes.esp Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp 235 eb Better Vampires.esp SL Deadly Drain.esp Daedric Voice.esp Daedric Voice - ZIA Patch.esp 236 ec Diseased.esp 237 ed RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp 238 ee BVandRoyalBloodline_Patch.esp 239 ef Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp CWIOrdinatorPatch.esp 240 f0 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp 241 f1 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 242 f2 Chaox Merge 2.esp 243 f3 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 244 f4 Small Script Merge Pack.esp 245 f5 new merge test.esp 246 f6 Merge Pack Armors and Abilities.esp RDO - CACO Patch.esp BUVARP.esp Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp Immersive Citizens - TC patch.esp RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp RDO - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp 247 f7 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 248 f8 The final Merge.esp 249 f9 ccas_starts.esp 250 fa Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp 251 fb da_alternate_start_extension.esp Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp 252 fc Recorder Follower Base.esp Link to post
Heroine HoneyCrotch Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, killer8217 said: MO behaves like i have already reached the mod limit, meaning that the game will NOT load any of the plugins including any of the original DLCs. 19 minutes ago, killer8217 said: Game loads without any mods and i get the notification that no plugins AT ALL are enabled I don't think that is what MO does when you reach your limit. Where is MO installed?, do you launch game with skse through MO? Link to post
DarkChaoX Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said: I don't think that is what MO does when you reach your limit. Where is MO installed?, do you launch game with skse through MO? yup using its SKSE launcher. Located them myself to make sure and had to make a new MO installation outside Program Files just to be sure its not an issue. Im just super confused about this, a limit like that shouldnt exist Link to post
Heroine HoneyCrotch Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, killer8217 said: had to make a new MO installation outside Program Files Should have never been there, hopefully you have Steam outside of Program Files as well? Link to post
DarkChaoX Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Heroine of the Night said: Should have never been there, hopefully you have Steam outside of Program Files as well? Nope thats where it went from the start saddly. So since i have lots of games in there i didnt wanna risk moving it all Link to post
Heroine HoneyCrotch Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 I just did a quick look, program files and program files(86) I remember being told/read that some programs(MO,Xedit,maybe SKSE) might not run right when steam is in Program Files(86) Well see what the next person says on that. 1 Link to post
Grey Cloud Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said: I remember being told/read that some programs(MO,Xedit,maybe SKSE) might not run right when steam is in Program Files(86) That's a privileges thing. Run as admin and all that jazz. When did this problem start? Was it 5 minutes after you discovered the wonderful world of merging or have you been merging stuff for some time? Looking at that LO it is difficult to spot anything but, just throwing some thoughts out there: To me if an esp is not being used, it is not in the LO, whether active or not. If you have done the merges correctly then the original esps do not need to be there. Check you aren't trying to load an original esp and a merge containing that same info. Also check that you have not got any needed patches inactive but are still trying to load the mods which need the patch. I'd remove all those inactive esps, make sure the game loaded and then add them back a few at a time. If the first lot causes the problem to appear then try a different bunch to be sure it is the number of mods and not a particular mod. In fact, first thing I'd do is remove all the merges whether active or inactive. Link to post
DarkChaoX Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: That's a privileges thing. Run as admin and all that jazz. When did this problem start? Was it 5 minutes after you discovered the wonderful world of merging or have you been merging stuff for some time? Looking at that LO it is difficult to spot anything but, just throwing some thoughts out there: To me if an esp is not being used, it is not in the LO, whether active or not. If you have done the merges correctly then the original esps do not need to be there. Check you aren't trying to load an original esp and a merge containing that same info. Also check that you have not got any needed patches inactive but are still trying to load the mods which need the patch. I'd remove all those inactive esps, make sure the game loaded and then add them back a few at a time. If the first lot causes the problem to appear then try a different bunch to be sure it is the number of mods and not a particular mod. In fact, first thing I'd do is remove all the merges whether active or inactive. Removing ANY mod and enabling a new mod fixes the issue but if i enable any other mods again game just does the same exact thing. I have been merging for years actually and i have been pretty careful and have been testing stuff like crazy. This whole issue started like a week ago and i have been trying non stop to fix it. Im seriously out of options at this point. Remove the esps as in how? Delete them from the original files? They are innactive after all! Link to post
Grey Cloud Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, killer8217 said: Remove the esps as in how? Delete them from the original files? They are innactive after all! Remove them from the (virtual) Data folder. To be honest I'm impressed that your game runs at all. That load order is a complete clusterfuck. You have umpteen mods adding a ton of extra content (even more than I have); you have several lantern mods in addition to at least two lighting mods; lots of dragon mods; a ridiculous number of armour mods; and on and on. Meanwhile things which I would merge such as RSCO and its Usleep patch go unmerged. I don't use MO so I can't give any advice there. Link to post
bandygirl1 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, killer8217 said: Remove the esps as in how? Delete them from the original files? They are innactive after all! There is no need to remove the inactive .esps. Double click the mod in the left pane of MO with .esp you don't want showing up in your LO. Click on the Optional .ESPs tab at the top of the window that opens, click on the .esp you don't want showing up in your LO, and then click the up arrow to move it from the bottom pane to the top one. Repeat that for all those mods. You can leave them checked in the left pane of MO ( because you'll need to so your merged .esp can access their assets ), and the .esps won't show up in your LO. If you ever delete your merge, and need that .esp again, simply reopen the mod, open that tab, and click the down arrow to move it back into the bottom pane. 1 Link to post
Just Don't Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, killer8217 said: Remove the esps as in how? Delete them from the original files? They are innactive after all! On MO left panel, double click over any of the mods that have merged plugins. Go to the Optional ESPs tab and move the plugins that are disabled in your loadorder to the left (using the arrow buttons). Example: You should've been doing this since you started merging plugins. It seems there is another plugin limit that considers both enabled and disabled plugins (can't remember the exact number, 480? 600? something like that). I'm not sure if it can also happen with the VFS in MO, but doing this is recommended either way. 1 Link to post
T-lam Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 MO starts even with more than 255 active esp, it might crash, but it starts. tested it. What hardware, Win are you using ? Might be a limit more Win/Hardware related. Just an idea what happens if you flag an esp to espfe with xedit ? This should not change the load order but might give a hint. Link to post
Grey Cloud Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, bandygirl1 said: There is no need to remove the inactive .esps. Hmm? There may be MO voodoo involved here but some mods, e.g. XPMSE still do their thing with the esp inactive. Why would a merge require the the original esp? That would rather make the merge redundant would it not? I've currently got 3 or 4 follower merges in my game, each of 10 followers. The original esps are not in my Data folder. Link to post
DarkChaoX Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Sorry for not updating you guys. Still trying to fix it. I am now trying to take every single mod and make their merged esp files optional so its a bit cleaner and see how that works. 16 minutes ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said: You should've been doing this since you started merging plugins. It seems there is another plugin limit that considers both enabled and disabled plugins (can't remember the exact number, 480? 600? something like that). I'm not sure if it can also happen with the VFS in MO, but doing this is recommended either way. Its this exact idea that had been bothering me for a while. There might be a limit to even disables esp files that only very heavily modded games would have an issue with Link to post
T-lam Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said: On MO left panel, double click over any of the mods that have merged plugins. Go to the Optional ESPs tab and move the plugins that are disabled in your loadorder to the left (using the arrow buttons). Example: You should've been doing this since you started merging plugins. It seems there is another plugin limit that considers both enabled and disabled plugins (can't remember the exact number, 480? 600? something like that). I'm not sure if it can also happen with the VFS in MO, but doing this is recommended either way. Thank you for this just tried it and it works, got rid of this deactivated esp and meshes/textures are still there in my merges. Link to post
DarkChaoX Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Fingers crossed it seems to load with an extra mod this time arround (gonna try adding like 2-3 now to give it a final test) It seems that MO could trully have a limit to plugins on the right panel Link to post
Just Don't Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, killer8217 said: It seems that MO could trully have a limit to plugins on the right panel The limit seems to be in the game itself, I first learned about it from a NMM user who had hundreds of disabled plugins in there. The VFS in MO must fall under the same functioning, the game sees all the plugins (even disabled ones) and goes nope brrrrrrrrrr. 32 minutes ago, T-lam said: Thank you for this just tried it and it works, got rid of this deactivated esp and meshes/textures are still there in my merges. That's cool. Although Bandygirl bested me in quick replying, I was too busy making my shitty screenshot thing in paint. Link to post
T-lam Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said: The limit seems to be in the game itself, I first learned about it from a NMM user who had hundreds of disabled plugins in there. The VFS in MO must fall under the same functioning, the game sees all the plugins (even disabled ones) and goes nope brrrrrrrrrr. That's cool. Although Bandygirl bested me in quick replying, I was too busy making my shitty screenshot thing in paint. I gave both of you a thumb up and now if you say this, checking mods in SK screen list all mods also the deactivated ones. maybe killer can count them, as he touched the limit to get an exact number for mods. Link to post
DarkChaoX Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 10 hours ago, T-lam said: I gave both of you a thumb up and now if you say this, checking mods in SK screen list all mods also the deactivated ones. maybe killer can count them, as he touched the limit to get an exact number for mods. Finally can confirm myself the MO2 limit on the left panel no matter what the deactivated and activated plugins are seems to be arround 500 plugins. I have managed to significantly lower the number by making all merged plugin esps optional thus my game is now playing properly! Cant thank everyone in here enough! You all were amazing and if it werent for you guys i wouldnt have ever been able to find this out. From the bottom of my heart i thank you all! Link to post
bandygirl1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Hmm? There may be MO voodoo involved here but some mods, e.g. XPMSE still do their thing with the esp inactive. Why would a merge require the the original esp? That would rather make the merge redundant would it not? I've currently got 3 or 4 follower merges in my game, each of 10 followers. The original esps are not in my Data folder. It's because, much like a texture mod, XPMSE over writes base files ( in this case, skeleton files ). You don't need an .esp active to do that. It doesn't require the original .esps. It's just that with MO, there is no reason to remove them. You can simply follow the step I listed above and the game will not "see" or load them. And they are still there in case you later decide to remove the merge. Link to post
Grey Cloud Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, bandygirl1 said: It's just that with MO, there is no reason to remove them. Fair enough. I'm always amazed at the faith you MO users have in MO. I've been using Vortex, which as you know is also by Tannin, for 3 or 4 months now and if I wasn't so lazy I'd go back to NMM tomorrow. Vortex brings nothing for me except a cart load of annoyances and I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it. Link to post
bandygirl1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Fair enough. I'm always amazed at the faith you MO users have in MO. I've been using Vortex, which as you know is also by Tannin, for 3 or 4 months now and if I wasn't so lazy I'd go back to NMM tomorrow. Vortex brings nothing for me except a cart load of annoyances and I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it. Vortex was made by Tannin, but he was hired by NexusMods to do it, and they had oversight into what he could and couldn't do. MO has far more functionality when it comes to what the user actually wants to accomplish in modding their game to their liking from everything I've seen. To most of us, the control MO offers > auto loot with every install. Link to post
Grey Cloud Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, bandygirl1 said: auto loot with every install If you mean autosort then Vortex has that. I have it turned off and use regular LOOT so I can use metadata rules when I need to and so I have an at-a-glance notification of warnings and errors. 3 minutes ago, bandygirl1 said: Vortex was made by Tannin, but he was hired by NexusMods to do it, and they had oversight into what he could and couldn't do. Well obviously it wouldn't be Saint Tannin's fault would it? 🙄 He took the gig and he is happy enough to have his name as lead author. Link to post
bandygirl1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, Grey Cloud said: If you mean autosort then Vortex has that. I have it turned off and use regular LOOT so I can use metadata rules when I need to and so I have an at-a-glance notification of warnings and errors. Well obviously it wouldn't be Saint Tannin's fault would it? 🙄 He took the gig and he is happy enough to have his name as lead author. You mistook my meaning. I never said Tannin wasn't proud of his work. I'm saying he was told to leave out much of the functionality that makes MO so popular in the first place for ease of use that the Nexus team wanted. Take from that what you will. Link to post
Grey Cloud Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, bandygirl1 said: I'm saying he was told to leave out much of the functionality that makes MO so popular in the first place for ease of use that the Nexus team wanted. That's a fact is it? Link to post
