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Wolf Crash Near Riverwood [Solved]


Gunchap Red

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So after learning a lot of new information in regards to my crash nearby riverwood, i've reached a discovery. The crash is happening not because of any timer or location, it's because i went close to wolves. I found this out by heading back to the same spot and noticing that there were some wolves nearby, so i watched as one of them approached my character from a spot safe from where i thought the crash was. Yep, it crashed. So i need help tracking down which mod may cause wolves to crash. 

Here is my laod order.
 

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
Falskaar.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
ImCh.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
Campfire.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
moonpath.esm
daymoyl.esm
Skykids.esm
High Poly Head.esm
OSA.esm
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
WetandCold.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
AOS.esp
Spears.esp
azarhair.esp
Beards.esp
crimeenchanced.esp
nighteyetoggle.esp
rrhair.esp
rrhair2.esp
rrhair3.esp
rrhairargonian.esp
rrhairkhajiit.esp
UsefulDogs.esp
[kijikohair_malepack].esp
LovelyHairstylesCE.esp
seranahair.esp
SkyUI.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
FNIS.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
FISS.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
FNISSexyMove.esp
Brows.esp
VioLens.esp
Daedric Extra Armor.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
AchieveThat.esp
TSC-Staves.esp
KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
KJ Tattoos 4K.esp
TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp
TheCoenaculiMALE.esp
RaceMenuOverlayCompilation - CBBE.esp
RutahTattooPack.esp
nem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.esp
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
Poser Hotkeys.esp
HPObjects.esp
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Sorted.esp
Skysan_Icicle.esp
FMS_FemaleMakeupSuite.esp
3DNPC.esp
iWil_UselessShopOverhaul.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
COT + TS + ELFX + AOS Patches.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
GCR Realestate Pack.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
KurooNekoPhotoStudio.esp
GCR SK Outfits.esp
GCR SK Followers.esp
playablecreature_pack.esp
YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
Undeath.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
ELFX - Weathers.esp
Remodeled Armor - Legendary.esp
hearthfireextended.esp
JobsofSkyrim.esp
HASTE.esp
truerpgmedic.esp
dynamic fires.esp
TrueStorms.esp
TrueStorms-ClimatesOfTamriel.esp
Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
TrueStorms-SupremeStorms-CoT.esp
Burning Skies.esp
CustomRaces.esp
UIExtensions.esp
AddItemMenuLE.esp
Holidays.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
TownsAndCitiesEnhanced.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp
yield.esp
SMIM Patches.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
Cloaks.esp
Botox.esp
Botox_CharGen.esp
OBIS Merged.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
moonpath_questdata.esp
NorthernCardinal.esp
GCR Weapons And Armors For Builds.esp
BecomeKingofSkyrim.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
Frostfall.esp
Signs_of_Skyrim.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
quest_pitfighter.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
PerkusMaximus_Master.esp
PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp
RidingDirty.esp
PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp
PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp
Elemental Destruction.esp
Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp
Spears_Skill&PerkTree.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp
PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp
Mortal Enemies.esp
Illustrious HDT Cloaks.esp
RWoS-Expansion.esp
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
Vile Art of Necromancy.esp
DeadlyMutilation.esp
Snark.esp
Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp
RND Patches.esp
WhiterunInEnhanced.esp
WorldEaterBeater.esp
RiverwoodEnhancedPlugin.esp
TAVERiften.esp
armored-horses.esp
GrandMaster.esp
daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp
TAVESolitude.esp
TAVEWindhelm.esp
Skykids Addons And Patches.esp
More to Say.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
ESFCompanions.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Bells of Skyrim.esp
throwingweapons.esp
vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp
Imaginator BETA.esp
Dwemer Certified.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
AetherSuite.esp
zzzSXP.esp
Dance for Septims.esp
LPBards.esp
NB-Scars.esp
SFO_SkinFeatureOverlays.esp
Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp
ShadowSpellPackage.esp
MB_Cleric_v2.esp
SplashofRain.esp
NCLS merged.esp
ModestyChainmailAndUndergarments.esp
KaiSFemaleHHDT.esp
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
Wounds.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
SameWalkRunSpeedsLite.esp
Convenient Horses - Faster Sprint.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Default Teammate Weapon Draw Distance.esp
TKDodge.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp
RDO - USLEEP Patch.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
FacelightPlus.esp
BarbarianPaints.esp
Immersive Speechcraft.esp
hmkLockOn.esp
3PCO.esp
YOT - Frostfall Module 3.0.esp
YOT - Moonlight Tales.esp
PerMa_USLEEP master patch.esp
PrinceandPauper.esp
ImCh - USLEEP patch.esp
GoToBed-RealisticNeedsandDiseases-patch.esp
GoToBed.esp
BrighterTorchesBiggerMagelight.esp
Field Medic.esp
RaceMenuSKYAVX.esp
UltimateCombat.esp
DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
HelmetToggle2.02b.esp
Character Behaviors Enhanced.esp
P1FlyingRing.esp
Critical Hit.esp
UltimateCombatSekiro.esp
_s23_FasterWeaponSwings.esp
WardsFunctionalitiesExtendedSLE.esp
Random Emotions.esp
Males of Skyrim.esp
LessIntrusiveHUD.esp
GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp
MeridiaRevoiced.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
HouseOfHorrorsAlternateEnding.esp
MajesticMountains.esp
WondersofWeather.esp
GomaPeroLand.esp
Real Clouds.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp
StrangeRunes.esp
WardsFunctionalitiesExtendedSLE - Strange Runes Patch.esp
Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp
RaceMenuOverlays.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
AFT Patches.esp
3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
da_alternate_start_extension.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
ELFX - UselessShopOverhaul patch.esp
PatchusMaximus.esp
RSChildren.esp
RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp
RS Children Patches.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
 

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I would check anything that alters anything with creatures and the only ones I saw are UsefulDogs.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp and playablecreature_pack.esp I'm just going by the names of the .esp's.

 

Also check and make sure their skeleton file is fine.

 

You could try getting close to them but not close enough to attract them and open the console with the ~ key and type in TFC and hit enter and leave the console. Then you'll be able to move to them in camera like mode and open the console while right next to one and click one and see if there is any info listed there in the skyUI info like any .esp/.esm that they might be coming from and things like that.

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10 hours ago, myuhinny said:

I would check anything that alters anything with creatures and the only ones I saw are UsefulDogs.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp and playablecreature_pack.esp I'm just going by the names of the .esp's.

 

Also check and make sure their skeleton file is fine.

 

You could try getting close to them but not close enough to attract them and open the console with the ~ key and type in TFC and hit enter and leave the console. Then you'll be able to move to them in camera like mode and open the console while right next to one and click one and see if there is any info listed there in the skyUI info like any .esp/.esm that they might be coming from and things like that.

Useful Dogs and playable creatures are workshop mods btw. Also, i'll give it a shot.

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11 hours ago, myuhinny said:

I would check anything that alters anything with creatures and the only ones I saw are UsefulDogs.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp and playablecreature_pack.esp I'm just going by the names of the .esp's.

 

Also check and make sure their skeleton file is fine.

 

You could try getting close to them but not close enough to attract them and open the console with the ~ key and type in TFC and hit enter and leave the console. Then you'll be able to move to them in camera like mode and open the console while right next to one and click one and see if there is any info listed there in the skyUI info like any .esp/.esm that they might be coming from and things like that.

Well, that didn't dig up a whole lot. Most that I found out was that they came from the base game's ESM file and were last changed by Patchus Maximus.

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On 2/25/2020 at 12:01 PM, myuhinny said:

Check and see if patchus maximus is the culprit then. You can also use TES5edit to check and see everything that is altering a file in a .esm/.esp.

Also, apparently, it's not just wolves. I walked into areas that had no wolves but other animals. I don't know why, but some of Skyrim's Wildlife seem to crash the game.

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Does it happen in a new game? If not then it might be your save file. If it's yes then I would start removing mods go into game test if it's gone then test by adding some mods back 2 at a time till you crash again and then look at those ones and you'll have your culprit. If it's not gone go out and remove some more and test again and keep doing it till the crash is gone.

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6 hours ago, myuhinny said:

Does it happen in a new game? If not then it might be your save file. If it's yes then I would start removing mods go into game test if it's gone then test by adding some mods back 2 at a time till you crash again and then look at those ones and you'll have your culprit. If it's not gone go out and remove some more and test again and keep doing it till the crash is gone.

Yes, and any clue where to start?

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17 hours ago, Heroine of the Night said:

I would start with suggested mod for wolves and foxes, it's real easy to install. Chances are you have other problems  but suggested mod should be first thing you do.

 

I can't afford to use any more .esp files lest i want to break the game entirely.

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17 hours ago, Heroine of the Night said:

I would start with suggested mod for wolves and foxes, it's real easy to install. Chances are you have other problems  but suggested mod should be first thing you do.

 

Also, i started using True Wolves Of Skyrim to see if it could provide some form  of a fix, does not work, and it replaces the meshes of the wolves as well.

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1 hour ago, Gunchap Red said:

Didn't work

Shitz!   Good mod, for the time being I would keep it in.   

 

Looking at your load order, you got some big stuffs. LO definitely looked good at bottom,with bashed patch. Guessing you got enb/boost. Crashfixes and or memory fix. I want to think its a mesh. If your in game and you tmm 1 (toggle map markers) can you bounce around without crashes?  

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24 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said:

Shitz!   Good mod, for the time being I would keep it in.   

 

Looking at your load order, you got some big stuffs. LO definitely looked good at bottom,with bashed patch. Guessing you got enb/boost. Crashfixes and or memory fix. I want to think its a mesh. If your in game and you tmm 1 (toggle map markers) can you bounce around without crashes?  

All that is true, and i do know it's not SIC, and wolf replacers, or OBIS so far. And I'll give it a shot.

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On 2/25/2020 at 4:30 AM, Gunchap Red said:

UsefulDogs.esp

Fishy, would be my first guess

 

On 2/25/2020 at 4:30 AM, Gunchap Red said:

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

There is a unofficial patch for it out there

 

SUPER FISHY:

dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

"Do not merge or bash patch the plugins. Textures will break!!!"

Check if you bashed it or move it below bashed patch

Or remove it for SIC

 

 

 

Also:

On 2/25/2020 at 4:30 AM, Gunchap Red said:

ELFX - Weathers.esp

"Climates of Tamriel is not compatible with other mods that implement similar features."

 

 

Don't forget to check your reddit post:

 

Girl_of_the_Nova

6 points · 4 days ago

There are a lot of things I notice right off the bat are a problem. Wet and Cold Ashes is an old and out dated plugin as it was merge with the 2.0 update of Wet and Cold so you should update that. Undeath is known to be buggy. You also have Climates of Tamriel and elfx weathers installed, pick one as they are both weather mods and affect the same thing. As far as I can tell you don't have the unofficial immersive creatures patch, so grab that. Lastly, you are right up against the 255 plugin limit, so it would be best to trim some mods.
If you aren't already, make sure you have all the skse fix mods, like {crash fixes} and run {Bethini} to optimize your ini files.

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1 point · 4 days ago

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BethiniBethINI

 

Listen to that girl =D

 

 

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3 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

Fishy, would be my first guess

 

There is a unofficial patch for it out there

 

SUPER FISHY:

dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

"Do not merge or bash patch the plugins. Textures will break!!!"

Check if you bashed it or move it below bashed patch

Or remove it for SIC

 

 

 

Also:

"Climates of Tamriel is not compatible with other mods that implement similar features."

 

 

Don't forget to check your reddit post:

 

Girl_of_the_Nova

6 points · 4 days ago

There are a lot of things I notice right off the bat are a problem. Wet and Cold Ashes is an old and out dated plugin as it was merge with the 2.0 update of Wet and Cold so you should update that. Undeath is known to be buggy. You also have Climates of Tamriel and elfx weathers installed, pick one as they are both weather mods and affect the same thing. As far as I can tell you don't have the unofficial immersive creatures patch, so grab that. Lastly, you are right up against the 255 plugin limit, so it would be best to trim some mods.
If you aren't already, make sure you have all the skse fix mods, like {crash fixes} and run {Bethini} to optimize your ini files.

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1 point · 4 days ago

Search KeySkyrim LE Nexus

crash fixesCrash fixes

BethiniBethINI

 

Listen to that girl =D

 

 

1: I have the SIC unofficial patch.

2: I will check to see if that plugin got put into my bashed patch. 

3: I believe i use a patch for that. And I have gotten rid of W&C Ashes, but i am hesitant to get rid of Undeath, as it is an almost essential mod for one of my builds and others got it to work.

 

Edi: The mentioned SIC plugin was not added to the bashed patch.

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4 minutes ago, Gunchap Red said:

as it is an almost essential mod for one of my builds and others got it to work.

that may be,

but you will never find out with that LO, because there are so many possible reasons why it will CTD, even after you solved the wolf issue.

 

Starting to grab the usual skyrim stability fixes is a good start, especially if you have a Setup like that.

Also get a save game cleaner/fallrim tools ready with Burning Skies installed.

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4 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

that may be,

but you will never find out with that LO, because there are so many possible reasons why it will CTD, even after you solved the wolf issue.

 

Starting to grab the usual skyrim stability fixes is a good start, especially if you have a Setup like that.

Also get a save game cleaner/fallrim tools ready with Burning Skies installed.

Update: Disabling undeath didn't make the crash completely go away, but i am able to get closer. Might see if the expansion will help with that.

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3 minutes ago, Gunchap Red said:

didn't make the crash completely go away

what does that even mean?

 

You don't crash near wolves anymore but somewhere else?

 

you mean this: This mod adds aspects from the "Undeath" lichdom mod into the phenomenal player home "Sjel Blad Castle"?

why would that help?

 

You lost me there ^^

 

If your game gets more stable the less mods you have installed you might want to try the skyrim stability fixes

https://www.loverslab.com/blogs/entry/10715-2020-skyrim-le-stability-guide/

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