❤ New Models ❤

aluminumsimmie · December 29, 2018

13 hours ago, dawg645 said:

Why are you asking for money for your mods?

Are you in financial trouble, need cash, going hungry, disabled, dying, saving puppies..........what is it?

What cause would I be donating to if I were to provide you money on Patreon via a financial transaction to obtain your mods?

which mods?

You're just writing to criticize! i'm just model sims! like everyone...

Did you write these to the other sims makers? for example:

why are you just criticizing me? thousands of people are doing this... the problem just put on the patreon?

There are hundreds of sims makers on the Patreon...

I think you have financial problems and are hungry... what is this? Did my $ 2 bucks bother you?

you don't know me, I don't know you.....be more respectful!

2cool4u_1 · December 29, 2018

12 hours ago, dressupandrockstar said:

That was very well said. As a consumer and not a creator of content of any kind to be distributed, I find the Patreon debate quite bafflingly. It's a mixture of entitlement, competition, and of course, as with anything, fraud.

Here is what I don't understand. Why do people waste so much of their emotions on this? Is it that they are frustrated they can't get something for free that they think they should? or that they feel they need to right the wrongs for others? or in the case of infringement of design, they feel cheated somehow? Am I missing something? All of this seems so petty.

Pateron, for me, is to support creators that I want to see around for the long haul. We can take a trip down memory lane and remember all the sites and creators we have said goodbye to over the years. They left because they felt attacked and not supported. It wasn't worth the aggravation. Some of the best mod creators were in the Sims 3. If Pateron was around then we may have convinced some to join the Sims 4 bandwagon with a monetary benefit. It would have given them a safe space to get feedback from people who supported them, not have to sift through heartless comments. Heres an example. Neia who created the career tool did not update the tool right away after the most recent update. She was not up to the task. If you read the forum post pertaining to that mod, the comments are truly horrific. As if some actually expect her or any creator for that matter to drop what they are doing to update a mod for people that feel so entitled to an update that they have no care for the well being of the creator. It was sad to read. I do not want good creators to quit so I chose to support the ones that add true enjoyment to my game.

I know I may be in the minority in my thoughts and I don't assume to know more than what I do. I could be off base but reading through this got me further confused as if I was missing something.

I do think the models are great. I will look out for more of your content and hope you keep creating!

I don't get it either. Mind you, when looking at all the Patreon sites on the internet, I highly disagree with some of them, and I can see why people would be against the use of Patreon in those cases. I don't understand the attacks on people like our beloved R-Lo; Someone who shares everything for free here. If people want to give their support, what's wrong with that? Tonicmole didn't have a Patreon for the Bouncing Boobies mod at first. There is one now, because people said, "I want to support you and this project, please set up a Patreon account for us". If there is exclusive content, only for Patrons, that's okay (as far as I'm concerned). That's not even the case though. It's basically as R-Lo called it "a tip jar".

This reminds me of an incident, about 5 yrs ago. On Remembrance Day a veteran, his daughter, and granddaughter were handing out poppies for donations (all proceeds were going to support veterans). I only gave $2 as that was the only change I had on me, but then this guy comes yelling at me "NO! You don't have to give anything, the poppies are free, it's only a donation." I said, "I know". He kept yelling at me, and I didn't know what to do. All I could think was "What an asshole; saying that in front of a veteran and his little granddaughter. Then another guy came and gave $50 (made me feel ashamed for only giving the $2, but that is all I had). The asshole runs over to him and punched him, he punched the asshole back in the face, and the asshole ran off. Long story short, this reminds me of that; What do people have against others donating money for something they want to support?

*R-Lo* · December 29, 2018

14 hours ago, dressupandrockstar said:

1 hour ago, 2cool4u_1 said:

You're both making some great points and your both correct on what you're saying,

Most will agree with your thoughts but things are a little different in this instance,

While a majority of users are understanding the pro's & con's of Patreon support, some are being misled into believing that pre-made Sims are a mod and something that can be sold, this is what has rocked the boat on this occasion,

The reality is that the cc being used for these Sims is generally shared on the grounds that it is not re-uploaded behind a paywall, eg Patreon or Adfly,

Pre-made Sims for cash is the epitome of this unfortunately and a lot of creators who share for free and ask no payment at all are being taken advantage of,

The fact that gamers are now selling their mods is taking away exposure and valuable feedback away from them,

In a lot of cases cc creators have either quit or made content less accessible as a result

dressupandrockstar · December 29, 2018

1 hour ago, R-Lo said:

The reality is that the cc being used for these Sims is generally shared on the grounds that it is not re-uploaded behind a paywall, eg Patreon or Adfly,

Pre-made Sims for cash is the epitome of this unfortunately and a lot of creators who share for free and ask no payment at all are being taken advantage of,

The fact that gamers are now selling their mods is taking away exposure and valuable feedback away from them,

In a lot of cases cc creators have either quit or made content less accessible as a result

Ok. Then I misunderstood this case entirely. I do not like the idea of a creator using someone else creation that way. Why not just link where the items that were used came from like everyone else? I love uploading models to my game and yes, I would still support a creator of models even if all the items weren't included if the it was the right quality and fit for my game.

I always thought the rules were, if you did not create it but you are using it, you adhere to the terms from the person that created it. Thats been around since day one. If you didn't do that then you were PandoraSims.....

dawg645 · December 29, 2018

I've been around for a while and I've lived through the era where paid for mods were an issue for gamers and developers that's why most if not all sites that charged for mods discontinued then along comes Patreon.....a different name but the same thing. Really, if you like the game and like making custom things for it, great, but don't expect to be paid for your entertainment. Now if you say it's not entertainment for you and that you put in a lot of hours making mods and want to be compensated, then open up a pay site and sell your mods but please do not ask for donations on another site. The word donate or donation in itself eludes to charitable causes which most modders are not a true registered charity (law). Another issue is people posting new and updated mods on LoversLab but the actual mods are only available on a completely different site (Patreon) where you are asking for money. That in itself is wrong to use a free site to advertise your paid mods. Many a time I have seen the updates or new mods listed here but after clicking the link, I find that the mod is actually on a completely different site (Patreon) and asking for cash, how elusive and deceptive. Perhaps if you are collecting money on your Patreon site, you can afford to pay for your own advertising on your own site and not on LoversLab or other similar sites.

*R-Lo* · December 30, 2018

1 hour ago, dawg645 said:

I've been around for a while and I've lived through the era where paid for mods were an issue for gamers and developers that's why most if not all sites that charged for mods discontinued then along comes Patreon.....a different name but the same thing. Really, if you like the game and like making custom things for it, great, but don't expect to be paid for your entertainment. Now if you say it's not entertainment for you and that you put in a lot of hours making mods and want to be compensated, then open up a pay site and sell your mods but please do not ask for donations on another site. The word donate or donation in itself eludes to charitable causes which most modders are not a true registered charity (law). Another issue is people posting new and updated mods on LoversLab but the actual mods are only available on a completely different site (Patreon) where you are asking for money. That in itself is wrong to use a free site to advertise your paid mods. Many a time I have seen the updates or new mods listed here but after clicking the link, I find that the mod is actually on a completely different site (Patreon) and asking for cash, how elusive and deceptive. Perhaps if you are collecting money on your Patreon site, you can afford to pay for your own advertising on your own site and not on LoversLab or other similar sites.

This is a modding community where people share and learn to make mods, not just to download them,

What people do off site is their business they don't owe the users here anything,

If these people were uploading to another site then the people would just flock over to get it still,

Due to whiney members who seem to crave nothing more than rape and dog porn I nearly left,

I've got absolutely no fears that I'd lose exposure as I wouldn't be hard to find,

All this talk of respect for the site is bull and people try overcompensate and get intelligent when really they just want free mods,

Support or donation, doesn't matter what you call it,

Most work to early access and your not obligated to pay anything as you already know seeing as you probably have 3000+ animations already at zero cost and a sex mod that's in constant development,

Most of the time you'll find that the mod on patreon is the one under construction as a beta while the Loverslab version has less bugs due to patrons taking the time to leave actual feedback and report issues,

It doesn't hurt anyone for people to earn from something they enjoy or spend a lot of time on,

As for the previews on Loverslab, or "advertising"

The rules of Patreon demand that posts containing adult content are not posted publicly for safe browsing policy,

This being the case, it means that the posts are locked, on occasions people have complained about LL not getting to see work in progress, so it's shown here, a public platform for discussion.

You may have been around for a bit but Ive discovered this stuff in an era where gamers and developers appear to be pretty much thriving,

The developers are actually making games open and accessible for modders and Sims 4 creators are warned of major changes months in advance, modding is not in a dark age where you gotta break into the game, the tools are provided and the directions to go with it,

The only real issues these days besides stolen cc being profited on is sour grapes that others are doing something enjoyable,

If it bugs you that much, make a mod of your own and see how it goes,

dawg645 · December 30, 2018

Ok, here we go.....my comments to your statements begin with -->

This is a modding community where people share and learn to make mods, not just to download them,

-->(sharing and learning is always a good thing....you hit on the key word here "sharing".....but you also omit the part about making money, that was left out and also the fact that Patreon is not a modding community and the modding communities that do exist to "share" information and ideas are free and contain exponentially more information than your Patreon sites).

What people do off site is their business they don't owe the users here anything,

-->(agreed)

If these people were uploading to another site then the people would just flock over to get it still,

-->(not so sure about that)

Due to whiney members who seem to crave nothing more than rape and dog porn I nearly left,

-->(morality is a grand characteristic)

I've got absolutely no fears that I'd lose exposure as I wouldn't be hard to find,

All this talk of respect for the site is bull and people try overcompensate and get intelligent when really they just want free mods,

--> ( not sure where you are going with that statement, sounds like you are complaining)

Support or donation, doesn't matter what you call it,

Most work to early access and your not obligated to pay anything as you already know seeing as you probably have 3000+ animations already at zero cost and a sex mod that's in constant development,

--> (if it's not free, it's paid)

Most of the time you'll find that the mod on patreon is the one under construction as a beta while the Loverslab version has less bugs due to patrons taking the time to leave actual feedback and report issues,

--> (that already happens on LL, people leave feedback and there are forums on LL and also on that other site that hosts tons of mods.......what more in the form of a feedback mechanism is available that is better?)

It doesn't hurt anyone for people to earn from something they enjoy or spend a lot of time on,

--> (agreed, but call if for what it is...a business. Producing something then asking money for it is commerce, income and a business transaction. Unless you are a legally registered charity, you are a business....ask your tax guy......and stop calling it a donation as that takes away from the spirit of the word as it applies to actual charities that ask for donations to benefit others in need.)

As for the previews on Loverslab, or "advertising"

The rules of Patreon demand that posts containing adult content are not posted publicly for safe browsing policy,

This being the case, it means that the posts are locked, on occasions people have complained about LL not getting to see work in progress, so it's shown here, a public platform for discussion.

--> (I have no idea how that addresses those who post updates to a mod on LL that is actually only downloadable on Patreon for a fee.)

You may have been around for a bit but Ive discovered this stuff in an era where gamers and developers appear to be pretty much thriving, --> (that's a trend that has been ongoing for a while now, nothing new)

The developers are actually making games open and accessible for modders and Sims 4 creators are warned of major changes months in advance, modding is not in a dark age where you gotta break into the game, the tools are provided and the directions to go with it,

--> (I don't know where you get this from, it's not the developers who decide about accessibility, it's the corporation that's paying them. Now, if you are referring to modders as developers then that's something else.)

The only real issues these days besides stolen cc being profited on is sour grapes that others are doing something enjoyable,

If it bugs you that much, make a mod of your own and see how it goes,

--> (In terms of what bugs me, I've already stated that but yet it continues...the shameless use of LL and other sites as a tool to make money.

Now, about making a mod of my own....You don't know me or how many mods I have created and posted since 2000 so don't go there and I must say when we made, and still make mods, we have always done it for the love of the game.)

*R-Lo* · December 30, 2018

10 minutes ago, dawg645 said:

, we have always done it for the love of the game.)

So do we,

We just live in a world where modding has changed and can be profited from if you have talent,

Modders no longer have to hide under a rock and can build a following,

No mods are required to be paid for at LL so the jumped up notions you have don't apply,

So what if modding has become a business, many hobbies do, take football for instance, was it always a billion dollar industry or did it start in a backyard somewhere?

You more you go on the more bitter you come off, instead of complaining about others why not just continue to mod for the love and set the example you're forcing or just start a patreon yourself,

Loverslab itself is a business and takes subscription via Patreon too, they also earn through advertising so it's not as taboo as you make it sound. I actually have a Loverslab staff member as my patron too for almost a year.

If you're just looking to debate on ownership of the time and expertise of other people I'm not going to waste any more time on you,

Granted that some creators delay uploads but that's as far as it goes because we don't allow "exclusive" content,

Everything gets shared here eventually, if not then they're generally chased up or leaked out

weredeer · December 30, 2018

1 hour ago, dawg645 said:

Ok, here we go.....my comments to your statements begin with -->

This is a modding community where people share and learn to make mods, not just to download them,

-->(sharing and learning is always a good thing....you hit on the key word here "sharing".....but you also omit the part about making money, that was left out and also the fact that Patreon is not a modding community and the modding communities that do exist to "share" information and ideas are free and contain exponentially more information than your Patreon sites).

What people do off site is their business they don't owe the users here anything,

-->(agreed)

If these people were uploading to another site then the people would just flock over to get it still,

-->(not so sure about that)

Due to whiney members who seem to crave nothing more than rape and dog porn I nearly left,

-->(morality is a grand characteristic)

I've got absolutely no fears that I'd lose exposure as I wouldn't be hard to find,

All this talk of respect for the site is bull and people try overcompensate and get intelligent when really they just want free mods,

--> ( not sure where you are going with that statement, sounds like you are complaining)

Support or donation, doesn't matter what you call it,

Most work to early access and your not obligated to pay anything as you already know seeing as you probably have 3000+ animations already at zero cost and a sex mod that's in constant development,

--> (if it's not free, it's paid)

Most of the time you'll find that the mod on patreon is the one under construction as a beta while the Loverslab version has less bugs due to patrons taking the time to leave actual feedback and report issues,

--> (that already happens on LL, people leave feedback and there are forums on LL and also on that other site that hosts tons of mods.......what more in the form of a feedback mechanism is available that is better?)

It doesn't hurt anyone for people to earn from something they enjoy or spend a lot of time on,

--> (agreed, but call if for what it is...a business. Producing something then asking money for it is commerce, income and a business transaction. Unless you are a legally registered charity, you are a business....ask your tax guy......and stop calling it a donation as that takes away from the spirit of the word as it applies to actual charities that ask for donations to benefit others in need.)

As for the previews on Loverslab, or "advertising"

The rules of Patreon demand that posts containing adult content are not posted publicly for safe browsing policy,

This being the case, it means that the posts are locked, on occasions people have complained about LL not getting to see work in progress, so it's shown here, a public platform for discussion.

--> (I have no idea how that addresses those who post updates to a mod on LL that is actually only downloadable on Patreon for a fee.)

You may have been around for a bit but Ive discovered this stuff in an era where gamers and developers appear to be pretty much thriving, --> (that's a trend that has been ongoing for a while now, nothing new)

The developers are actually making games open and accessible for modders and Sims 4 creators are warned of major changes months in advance, modding is not in a dark age where you gotta break into the game, the tools are provided and the directions to go with it,

--> (I don't know where you get this from, it's not the developers who decide about accessibility, it's the corporation that's paying them. Now, if you are referring to modders as developers then that's something else.)

The only real issues these days besides stolen cc being profited on is sour grapes that others are doing something enjoyable,

If it bugs you that much, make a mod of your own and see how it goes,

--> (In terms of what bugs me, I've already stated that but yet it continues...the shameless use of LL and other sites as a tool to make money.

Now, about making a mod of my own....You don't know me or how many mods I have created and posted since 2000 so don't go there and I must say when we made, and still make mods, we have always done it for the love of the game.)

blah blah blah.

aluminumsimmie · December 30, 2018

when i first opened my patreon there were only clothes... I added a few sims models later...there are more clothes

I wish you had researched a little before criticizing (pardon! before insulting)

please find another place to insult people and to satisfy yourself....

aluminumsimmie · December 30, 2018

Floral Trim Lingerie Set

I've done so long ago, I want to share here too... The download link is below and on my Patreon

I hope you like it and use in your game ? ?

seductive_LaceFrenchLingerieSet.package

dawg645 · December 30, 2018

Oh wahhhhhh....It's the word "SHARING" that got you upset, isn't it. The modding communities share, that's how it's always been, we share not only mods but also knowledge, expertise, information and sometimes experiences of personal hardship. I have donated to community members that have developed health issues or have been affected by disaster, this is community, we stick together, take care of each other and continue to share and collaborate, this is how the internet came about.....information sharing. Then along came something completely different to the internet, commerce, this is what you are so get used to it and stop trying to come off as community.

Have a nice day.

TrappinOutTheBrando · December 30, 2018

19 minutes ago, dawg645 said:

Oh wahhhhhh....It's the word "SHARING" that got you upset, isn't it. The modding communities share, that's how it's always been, we share not only mods but also knowledge, expertise, information and sometimes experiences of personal hardship. I have donated to community members that have developed health issues or have been affected by disaster, this is community, we stick together, take care of each other and continue to share and collaborate, this is how the internet came about.....information sharing. Then along came something completely different to the internet, commerce, this is what you are so get used to it and stop trying to come off as community.

Have a nice day.

"Waaaaaah, I demand free mods or riot!"

Who honestly cares? Let the creator decide what they want to do with their stuff. He/she isn't selling the CC, they are selling the time they have invested in the sim or whatever may be on their Patreon. Some faceless nobody on the internet shouldn't have any affect on the outcome.

With that said, keep doing what you're doing aluminumsimmie. Please don't let people like that discourage you from future releases. I do like your work and can understand just how time consuming Sim creations can be.

EDIT: Just saw the clothing CC as well, nice job!

*R-Lo* · December 30, 2018

18 minutes ago, dawg645 said:

Oh wahhhhhh....It's the word "SHARING" that got you upset, isn't it. The modding communities share, that's how it's always been, we share not only mods but also knowledge, expertise, information and sometimes experiences of personal hardship. I have donated to community members that have developed health issues or have been affected by disaster, this is community, we stick together, take care of each other and continue to share and collaborate, this is how the internet came about.....information sharing. Then along came something completely different to the internet, commerce, this is what you are so get used to it and stop trying to come off as community.

Have a nice day.

It's pretty clear that your the one upset here, it's not all about money as you say and your just being a drama queen now,

You're going on about community while trying to force your personal view, you're just rude and presumptuous,

I don't think you should be trying to go their either as you're obviously not aware of my contributions to the site besides animations for which I've given at no cost,

It's not like we're charging a fee to help others either,

It's not as if 407,928 people were required to pay for my animations from this site is it?!

dont worry, I do get you,

You're obviously stuck in your view and ready to moan about paid modding on any given occasion while ignoring a lot of other facts when really the only thing your stewing about is that modders didn't have the ability to charge "back in the day"

Lots of different things have the option of sponsorship these days and to say "oh but they never used to do that"

just isn't a good enough reason to hold creators and artists back,

Just take a look at YouTube and eSports, people are being paid to race drones for F'sake!

As I say it's just sour grapes that something your into has become bigger than your preference but hey that's just life,

if you're gonna write a lot more of the same tired and irrelevant rant I'm not interested,

The stuff you get from this site is free and doesn't require you pay or enter any bank account details.

The fact that creators operate on more than one site is irrelevant too.

aluminumsimmie · December 30, 2018

1 hour ago, dawg645 said:

Oh wahhhhhh....It's the word "SHARING" that got you upset, isn't it. The modding communities share, that's how it's always been, we share not only mods but also knowledge, expertise, information and sometimes experiences of personal hardship. I have donated to community members that have developed health issues or have been affected by disaster, this is community, we stick together, take care of each other and continue to share and collaborate, this is how the internet came about.....information sharing. Then along came something completely different to the internet, commerce, this is what you are so get used to it and stop trying to come off as community.

Have a nice day.

im sharing this outfit from the beginning, patreon sharing date 5 september (not new). i'm new here

because you're ignorant... you're talking empty... i pity you

If you have a little respect for yourself please don't write here again!

dressupandrockstar · December 31, 2018

5 hours ago, dawg645 said:

Oh wahhhhhh....It's the word "SHARING" that got you upset, isn't it. The modding communities share, that's how it's always been, we share not only mods but also knowledge, expertise, information and sometimes experiences of personal hardship. I have donated to community members that have developed health issues or have been affected by disaster, this is community, we stick together, take care of each other and continue to share and collaborate, this is how the internet came about.....information sharing. Then along came something completely different to the internet, commerce, this is what you are so get used to it and stop trying to come off as community.

Have a nice day.

Wow. The entitlement is real.

2cool4u_1 · December 31, 2018

5 hours ago, aluminumsimmie said:

im sharing this outfit from the beginning, patreon sharing date 5 september (not new). i'm new here

because you're ignorant... you're talking empty... i pity you

If you have a little respect for yourself please don't write here again!

At first it seemed like he had legitimate questions, but now I think he just wants to Troll teh Forums. As I said earlier, some people are going to make a fuss no matter what you do. Stick to your beliefs in what's right, and what's not, and ignore the haters. I'm not saying he's not a good person, but he's taking attention away from the sims you are sharing. He's giving pointed opinions, and half-truths, in order to get you to continually respond. Ignore him, he'll eventually go away.

aluminumsimmie · December 31, 2018

6 hours ago, 2cool4u_1 said:

At first it seemed like he had legitimate questions, but now I think he just wants to Troll teh Forums. As I said earlier, some people are going to make a fuss no matter what you do. Stick to your beliefs in what's right, and what's not, and ignore the haters. I'm not saying he's not a good person, but he's taking attention away from the sims you are sharing. He's giving pointed opinions, and half-truths, in order to get you to continually respond. Ignore him, he'll eventually go away.

you are absolutely right, i agree with you❣️

dawg645 · January 5, 2019

You do realize that this was never directed at just you, I'm actually feeling a bit sorry you took it so personal. I am eternally grateful for all the talented individuals that have contributed to the game and especially for those who are sharing their creations, and yes, I too share.

Of course nobody likes paysites for mods, they, we, us never did, even way back to Sims 1. The main point here is that I have once too often come across a mod update post on LL then clicked on it to find out that it's not available on LL but it is available for a fee on Patreon. You see what's happening here, this is not right because LL is not a paysite nor should it be a place to advertise your wares that aren't even hosted or available on LL. Or maybe LL should be charging for advertising?...hmmm....opportunity knocks.

You all have a great day and thanks for thoughts.

DonCorleone · January 5, 2019

Great work, just please include all CC in zips make it SO much easier ❤️

Also for the dawg645, you can then go to every content creator on this site. All of them have free and paid versions of their mods/content. It is what keeps those people able to do it and gets you who in the end don't have to pay anything some AMAZING mods and CC.

2cool4u_1 · January 6, 2019

23 hours ago, dawg645 said:

You do realize that this was never directed at just you, I'm actually feeling a bit sorry you took it so personal. I am eternally grateful for all the talented individuals that have contributed to the game and especially for those who are sharing their creations, and yes, I too share.

Of course nobody likes paysites for mods, they, we, us never did, even way back to Sims 1. The main point here is that I have once too often come across a mod update post on LL then clicked on it to find out that it's not available on LL but it is available for a fee on Patreon. You see what's happening here, this is not right because LL is not a paysite nor should it be a place to advertise your wares that aren't even hosted or available on LL. Or maybe LL should be charging for advertising?...hmmm....opportunity knocks.

You all have a great day and thanks for thoughts.

It seemed like it WAS personal, either against aluminumsimmie, or personal for you. However, if you want to seriously discuss this topic, you'll find many who agree with you, at least partially. Your input is more than welcome. I would direct you here;

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Excorsion · January 12, 2019

On 1/4/2019 at 9:28 PM, dawg645 said:

You do realize that this was never directed at just you, I'm actually feeling a bit sorry you took it so personal. I am eternally grateful for all the talented individuals that have contributed to the game and especially for those who are sharing their creations, and yes, I too share.

Of course nobody likes paysites for mods, they, we, us never did, even way back to Sims 1. The main point here is that I have once too often come across a mod update post on LL then clicked on it to find out that it's not available on LL but it is available for a fee on Patreon. You see what's happening here, this is not right because LL is not a paysite nor should it be a place to advertise your wares that aren't even hosted or available on LL. Or maybe LL should be charging for advertising?...hmmm....opportunity knocks.

You all have a great day and thanks for thoughts.

I agree... i could name a few modders here that I have on occasion pointed out indirectly that do just that... use LL as a free advertising for thier paysite (patreon).. and have even asked for the rules to be updated a few times so we as a community knew where it stands for actions like that... But alas modders seem to be running the show which is not a bad thing except when the bad apples take over... So here is the thing i want anyone to debate... why should a creator advertise many times a month but only update once every 3 months? why can't they advertise when they update and be done with it? see where this is going.... if all they have to do is put one little thing out to advertise for thier paysite(patreon) every month would that be so bad.. cause as it stands now they are getting away with not really having to pay anything for advertising on a site that was supposed to be about sharing. By paying i mean they are probably help LL with thier costs but the members are not seeing this and have no way to know so maybe they can be awarded a monthly title thru the forums as supportor or something like that something that shows they are not just abusing the site.

any before i rant.. just some thoughts because i can see noth sides of the debate and i have to agree with dawg645.. there is just no way creators or modders should be getting away with bending rules that other should have to follow no matter what. aka just posting this I fear those on LL will ban my account because i mentioned that they are lacking on the rules update. Not saying they will but have seen in happen on other forums hence why I don't go to many forums anymore. like the steam forums or the nexus forums.. got some serious forum witches there.

BTW R-lo I feel your pain... I'm a late 40's guy who never completed highschool because joining the military was the better choice for me at the time... I got my GED and went to basic. once out of the military I was married with 1 kid so i was at work all the time so i never had time to further my education... I put my wife thru schooling for medical aide and nursing while still providing for my kid.. 18 years later... I'm now still working mainly in law enforcement or security but not above working fast food... so that being said i know how hard things can be.. cause i'm still trying my hand at making CC but it is hard for a old dog to learn new tricks when the tools used for those tricks where not common place items then.

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