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No one knows when EP4 is coming. This was just a foreign EP. There was one for Russia as well. Foreigners got exclusive scenes we English folk didn't get.

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On 10/4/2020 at 4:13 AM, Darkening Demise said:

No one knows when EP4 is coming. This was just a foreign EP. There was one for Russia as well. Foreigners got exclusive scenes we English folk didn't get.

I believe Polygon or Kotaku had a deleted article where they stated that Episode 4 might be released in mid October.

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On 9/1/2018 at 5:38 PM, Sylandras said:

Not to be cynical...but I remembered after seeing the new spider-man game get downgraded graphically. And many big companies showcase amazing graphics, but they almost always downgrade at release

Don't be surprised if Cyberpunk 2077 looks worse at release. 

Witcher 3 looked amazing in their E3 trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOkP7C0WrkU

Game looked nothing like that at release.

Now, I don't care about graphics. But companies should show what the game REALLY looks like. Not trick people into a better looking game. They can showcase ascii graphics, and if that was how the game looked, that be fine. I'd play it since I do like dwarf fortress, Aurora 4x (even harder than dwarf fortress) and Rimworld. But it always feels like a bait and switch when they falsely show better graphics than what it will be.

the trailer literally look way worse from the actual game, next

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People should really hop off the CDPR dick already. They've made one great game that boomed at the right time and now they're holding the flag for all "gamers".  In reality it's called keeping good PR and capitalising off brand loyalty. People will learn this sooner or later when CP2077 multiplayer drops and it's full of microtransactions and cosmetics. I guess they really are "surprise mechanics". You never know who is going to use them.

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On 10/5/2020 at 11:38 PM, Adoring Fan said:

People should really hop off the CDPR dick already. They've made one great game that boomed at the right time and now they're holding the flag for all "gamers".  In reality it's called keeping good PR and capitalising off brand loyalty. People will learn this sooner or later when CP2077 multiplayer drops and it's full of microtransactions and cosmetics. I guess they really are "surprise mechanics". You never know who is going to use them.

And then what? Go hop on EA's dick?
Hop on Ubisofts dick?

 

Right now my ass is staying where it is -

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4 hours ago, -Player1- said:

And then what? Go hop on EA's dick?
Hop on Ubisofts dick?

 

Right now my ass is staying where it is -

There are certain dicks you should've hopped on e.g. Bitcoin. CDPR's dick however, is it not one of them, and neither is EA's or Ubisoft's.

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2 hours ago, Adoring Fan said:

There are certain dicks you should've hopped on e.g. Bitcoin. CDPR's dick however, is it not one of them, and neither is EA's or Ubisoft's.

Ah, that explains the bravado. A Bitcoin prophet.

I do not need to jump on that dick, i bought a some when they were at a few bucks each and sold 'em not too long ago.

Not to mention that my family owns 2 clubs in one of germany's biggest cities, so money isn't of the essence anyway.

 

CDPR did a good, maybe even an outstanding job for basically all they have done in their past.

I know a few people from warsaw, working for them, all of 'em are neat people to be around.

Will it be great? Most likely. Will it be bad? Most unlikely, yet not impossible. Time will tell.

 

Stop trying to shed a bad light on CP or "unhype" us because YOU don't believe in the game's success -

Dunno' where you came from but people don't like to see such behaviour here on LL..

If you want to talk about how bad it's going to be, log-in into your reddit-account and do that over there, please.

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10 hours ago, -Player1- said:

Ah, that explains the bravado. A Bitcoin prophet.

I do not need to jump on that dick, i bought a some when they were at a few bucks each and sold 'em not too long ago.

Not to mention that my family owns 2 clubs in one of germany's biggest cities, so money isn't of the essence anyway.

 

CDPR did a good, maybe even an outstanding job for basically all they have done in their past.

I know a few people from warsaw, working for them, all of 'em are neat people to be around.

Will it be great? Most likely. Will it be bad? Most unlikely, yet not impossible. Time will tell.

 

Stop trying to shed a bad light on CP or "unhype" us because YOU don't believe in the game's success -

Dunno' where you came from but people don't like to see such behaviour here on LL..

If you want to talk about how bad it's going to be, log-in into your reddit-account and do that over there, please.

Let's make a clear distinction here.

 

Developers can be good people. I suspect many of them are. But developers aren't the companies they work for. The primary goal of a business is to make profit. The lead designers answer to their higher ups just as a senior programmer would answer to theirs. Creative freedom just doesn't exist in the current gaming climate, especially for AAA studios. 

 

Regardless of whether or not the developers are good people, the game can turn out awful based on a few decisions made by people who don't really care about the quality of the product itself. It's a business after all. You can sacrifice all your time making the game as great as it can be, but it only takes one decision from an executive to nullify all your efforts, leaving the product a husk designed to minimise risk, expenditure and effort to maximise profit and prioritise a consistent form of revenue attractive to investors.

 

With that being said, CDPR has a history of appealing to disgruntled "gamers" looking for refuge in an era of gaming where cosmetic microtransactions, online casino-esque loot boxes and multiplayer centric games rule the show.  So it logically follows that their next big release will NOT have any of these features since the criticism has made itself clear right? WRONG. 

 

Cyberpunk 2077 is CONFIRMED to have several of these features. It has multiplayer which is a separate project entirely (why not dedicate your team to singleplayer instead since the game is a singleplayer RPG?) and microtransactions. There's a reason why people are worrying about this. Not many companies can pull off this business model without being exploitative. And let's be frank, if CDPR really did care about their fanbase, they wouldn't be making these decisions. The Witcher 3 has sold over 50 million copies since it's release in 2015. It's far from an indie game. There was nothing wrong with The Witcher's traditional business model. It earned them much praise. So why change it unless they're going over to the dark side? 

 

Unless... *scratches head* they were just doing it to gather hype and loyalty? Then they release a subpar or average game that sells like hotcakes, makes them millions and they still rely on crunch and overworked employees working overtime to make their next shitty venture, that somehow is even worse than the last game?

 

Sorry for the bravado but it has to be said. I understand that CD Projekt Red seem like a last glimmer of hope in the era of decline but they are indeed a false prophet. It reminds me of so many other companies in the past. Remember when Bethesda made the #SavePlayer1 trending? Then they dropped Fallout 76 not even a full year after. Fallout 76 was likely nearing it's final stages of development while Bethesda made that statement. It's hypocrisy at it's finest all in the name of good old Benjamin Franklin.

 

However, I won't apologise for criticising this game and being sceptical of it. As gaming fans we have the right to voice our opinions whether they're negative or positive. I understand that I might've been a bit belligerent but I wholeheartedly believe that it's the work of gaming YouTubers, online influencers, marketing executives, social media handlers and spokespeople that are psychologically engineering this praise for CDPR in the gaming community. Anyone should be able to see that. I respect your right to your opinion, but I don't have to respect your opinion. The only people willing to defend a company to the death are people who don't know what gaming companies are capable of, or are just too naive to see that they're just defending a perpetual cycle of greed. And yes, the people who do not understand this are mostly children and clueless people. They listen to what their favorite YouTuber says rather than think for themselves. 

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On 10/10/2020 at 8:36 AM, Adoring Fan said:

Let's make a clear distinction here.

 

Developers can be good people. I suspect many of them are. But developers aren't the companies they work for. The primary goal of a business is to make profit. The lead designers answer to their higher ups just as a senior programmer would answer to theirs. Creative freedom just doesn't exist in the current gaming climate, especially for AAA studios. 

There is truth in your thoughts about this subject. 
Personally, I think CDPR made a good example of how to be a lead gaming company without BS ; free DRM , nice game content and quality work. But after the gaming "Idol" thing event, they kind of caught a star and started to unnecessary overhype their next IP ( CP2077 ). It went out to a "raised the bar" ambition and created the problem for them. Now they scared to drop their fame to the sewer because of that. Big marketing appeal to existing inclusive gaymers and all helisexuals out there is both - to stay on feet and to maximize consumer numbers, thus creating CP2077 multiplayer project with mTrans in it. 

I know CP2077 will be epic as an RPG firstly and in a technical aspect, I stay skeptical. Pretty sure many people will critique the game and cry a lot from variable standpoints, be it to gay or obsolete in visuals. Nowadays game companies dont have the balls to oppose consumers, its like drifting in a stormy, justified, weathered *Meta*ocean. Lets just hope the product will be badass enough to enjoy it without negative impulses. 

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On 10/9/2020 at 6:31 AM, Adoring Fan said:

hopped on e.g. Bitcoin.

lol, not even, not ever. Also complaining about the them and the they while using a chinese government backed "currency". That'll end well.

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It is funny how they change some stuff in less than a year, like for example Techie who would use Flathead fully to just Crafting skills now ,since by CDPR words Techie is too similar like Netrunner, and people who blindly worship them like cult defend them.

Both class are different, you can have engineer who don't know how to hack stuff and you can have hacker who don't know how to fix machine, like CDPR didn't even care about Core rules on witch CP2077 is based on, since Techie and Netrunners are saperet class/roles, but let's see if when MP come out if suddenly Techie not to be similar to Netrunner and get totally stand alone class and robots, and not be just crafting skill. 

And same thing will probably happen with multiple apartments, car customization.......

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On 10/12/2020 at 10:10 AM, Koca87 said:

It is funny how they change some stuff in less than a year, like for example Techie who would use Flathead fully to just Crafting skills now ,since by CDPR words Techie is too similar like Netrunner, and people who blindly worship them like cult defend them.

Both class are different, you can have engineer who don't know how to hack stuff and you can have hacker who don't know how to fix machine, like CDPR didn't even care about Core rules on witch CP2077 is based on, since Techie and Netrunners are saperet class/roles, but let's see if when MP come out if suddenly Techie not to be similar to Netrunner and get totally stand alone class and robots, and not be just crafting skill. 

And same thing will probably happen with multiple apartments, car customization.......

The same thing happened with deckers and riggers in the Shadowrun games on Steam. I'm not defending CDPR but I will point out that RPGs have systems that can be awfully difficult to replicate in video game format. That said, I agree we should be concerned they'll do the same thing to other parts of the game. And if they don't differentiate things enough, that's going to be a legitimate reason to be outraged IMO.

 

I wish this game would just get released already and let the cards fall where they may! I'm sick of fanbois and haters alike arguing everywhere, I'm fed up with the speculation, and I'm especially ready to literally tear Jason Schreir's lips clean off of his face for trying to drum outrage yet again. I don't think it's going to be the next big thing in modding since Skyrim but neither do I expect it to be some massive flop. More likely it'll be a successful niche thing and people will move on to the next outrage du jour.

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17 minutes ago, Ernest Lemmingway said:

The same thing happened with deckers and riggers in the Shadowrun games on Steam. I'm not defending CDPR but I will point out that RPGs have systems that can be awfully difficult to replicate in video game format. That said, I agree we should be concerned they'll do the same thing to other parts of the game. And if they don't differentiate things enough, that's going to be a legitimate reason to be outraged IMO.

 

I wish this game would just get released already and let the cards fall where they may! I'm sick of fanbois and haters alike arguing everywhere, I'm fed up with the speculation, and I'm especially ready to literally tear Jason Schreir's lips clean off of his face for trying to drum outrage yet again. I don't think it's going to be the next big thing in modding since Skyrim but neither do I expect it to be some massive flop. More likely it'll be a successful niche thing and people will move on to the next outrage du jour.

Barring unforeseen delays, it is set to release on the 16th of next month so one can rest assured that all speculation will shortly cease thereafter. The argumentation between factions may ram up considerably, however.

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15 hours ago, FauxFurry said:

The argumentation between factions may ram up considerably, however.

Compared to the ongoing violence of the Far Left/anarchist groups in the US of A and the insane screeching of lame stream and sociopathic media, that's going to be a cake walk.

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To be fair i don't hate CDPR, i don't think they are new gods of game industry like many think they are, i don't like some thing they did with CP2077 i also don't like with change in Witcher games.

But Deckers and Riggers was different in Shadowrun games, both had their own things, and riggers was fine with just his bots, yet here CDPR clearly didn't want to bother with that and make up argument how Techie and Netrunner are to similar and it would not be interesting, so they scrap Techie to crafting skill.

 

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6 hours ago, Ernest Lemmingway said:

Compared to the ongoing violence of the Far Left/anarchist groups in the US of A and the insane screeching of lame stream and sociopathic media, that's going to be a cake walk.

Fair enough. CyberPunk 2077 is looking increasingly as if it is an overly optimistic vision of the future at this point. 

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On 10/16/2020 at 4:10 PM, FauxFurry said:

Fair enough. CyberPunk 2077 is looking increasingly as if it is an overly optimistic vision of the future at this point. 

At this rate, Soylent GreenBlade Runner, and 1984 are looking like prophecy rather than science fiction. I just wish Akira wasn't still looking like just science fiction. I'd love to be able to wreak havoc with just my mind.

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Alright so were technically at one month before release and still no character creator footage besides a screenshot?



r/cyberpunkgame - Look at the character creator

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