Windows 7 coming to an end .

[Tron91]

I don't mind about the privacy scare. How will they classify me after they find my web access records? A pervert downloading LL mods or a sicko watching hardcore porn. I just wonder. And hey you all sniffers, if ya think that i am that important, just do what i do on the internet, just follow my habits for doing my psychoanalysis. Welcome you all with my middle finger pointed skywards. 

[Midnight19]

Fuck Microsoft, with that said i am staying with 7 until none of the new Games that i want work for it, 

[happy_polla]

I'm play skyrim and sometime game would be breeze on loading screen I can't using task manager to kill process on win 10. But if using Win 7 is very easy. 

[Guest]

I don't understand this thread. I've used Win10 proudly since i got it early as a windows insider. Dont regret the upgrade. Never will. Win10 may have its downs but if you can just find ways around problems like an intelligent person, its a good OS.

[MadMansGun]

15 minutes ago, areyouabasicwhitebitch said:

Win10 may have its downs but if you can just find ways around problems like an intelligent person, its a good OS.

a "good os" does not require jury rigging to make it do it's bloody job.

[Temporary500]

17 minutes ago, areyouabasicwhitebitch said:

I don't understand this thread. I've used Win10 proudly since i got it early as a windows insider. Dont regret the upgrade. Never will. Win10 may have its downs but if you can just find ways around problems like an intelligent person, its a good OS.

Like areyouabasicwhitebitch I have had a few minor troubles with windows 10, like the sound not playing when starting up the pc, (I was also appalled by the privacy options it had for microphones and the like), but aside from things like that, it feels like windows 7 to me (minor a few options with copy and pasting folders which I really miss every time I work on windows 7).

 

I would love to know if there are other things I should know about this OS, because from the discussion it appears that I am missing lots of important information (also because if support will end I will have to switch my windows 7 to 10 as well).

[Onionstarz]

I have no problem with 10 it runs older games better than win 7 ever did for me and that's all i care about games, if i'm doing anything private i do not use a windows machine in the 1st place.

[winny257]

8 hours ago, areyouabasicwhitebitch said:

I don't understand this thread. I've used Win10 proudly since i got it early as a windows insider. Dont regret the upgrade. Never will. Win10 may have its downs but if you can just find ways around problems like an intelligent person, its a good OS.

Sorry, no offense, just a stupid question.
How many games do you own before 2000, like many before 1990?
I still have a lot of older ones, the are significantly better than the new crap!
I have hundreds of these old games, which together have cost several thousand euros!
60% of these games do not work on Win10, actually I should demand damages from Microsoft!!! 

[shencereys]

11 minutes ago, winny257 said:

Sorry, no offense, just a stupid question.
How many games do you own before 2000, like many before 1990?
I still have a lot of older ones, the are significantly better than the new crap!
I have hundreds of these old games, which together have cost several thousand euros!
60% of these games do not work on Win10, actually I should demand damages from Microsoft!!! 

You could just always run win 7 on a virtual machine on the same PC you run 10 on, couldn't you?  

There's no reason anybody has to pick one or the other!  Both on the same machine. 

 

If somebody's reason for not upgrading is privacy then that can be arranged as well.  While you can't conceal many things from win 10 you can make it so it'd be impossible to de-anonymize your metadata by making sure on that PC you never link any profile or visit any account that links to your true information, and that you haven't used that particular hardware combination yourself with any such account.

That's more trouble than I want to go to, but if you're spending so many euros on games and PCs it might be worth the effort!

[shencereys]

18 minutes ago, Alkpaz said:

Got to agree with Winny on this, as I too have a ton of games. https://steamcommunity.com/id/alkpaz Can you assure both of us that most if not 99% (the other 1% work by limiting cores/ram via BIOS) will work without issues in Win10? I was willing to sacrifice some games when I switched from WinXP to Win7 back in 2009, but my library has grown a lot since then (Steam sales) and doing a switch now could possibly hurt. 

 

Virtual machine yes, but this becomes an issue when hardware like I mentioned earlier is "forced" on us by getting rid of legacy PS/2 ports, along with USB 2.0. Since Windows 7 does not (upon install) detect USB3.0+ and would require drivers to be installed and without a keyboard/mouse that is impossible. 

 

Try installing Win7 on this:  https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP6YZ6049

surely there's an USB 2.0 pcie slot card one could put in for setup purposes only to seat your keyboard and mouse for 3.0 driver installs?

 

Something like this?

 

[winny257]

13 minutes ago, shencereys said:

You could just always run win 7 on a virtual machine on the same PC you run 10 on, couldn't you?  

There's no reason anybody has to pick one or the other!  Both on the same machine

so smart I was already, first operating system Win10 and 7 as second.
but you forgot something, Graphics cards that only work with Win10 and directx 12, are not backwards compatible. 

[shencereys]

12 minutes ago, winny257 said:

so smart I was already, first operating system Win10 and 7 as second.
but you forgot something, Graphics cards that only work with Win10 and directx 12, are not backwards compatible. 

I run two different GPUs in my system right now!  I have one run games and the other older run my other monitors.  Saves many frames.

 

You can keep your old GPU and just swap which one is active right? .  As long as your old win-7 compatible card is slotted in the mobo's #1 slot I think it should be ok and it would recognize it.

 

From experience the card that's in the #1 slot is what windows defaults to.  While 10 allows you to pick your GPU for different applications I think 7 may not.  Which is why you would want to make sure your old pre-dx12 card is seated there.

 

10 minutes ago, Alkpaz said:

I think the card would need to be installed via Windows first no? BIOS will detect it, but Windows may not. Just like my situation with only have one PS/2 port, I had to install drivers for my mobo all with keyboard and no mouse. Obviously, I installed the USB drivers first, so I could use my mouse.

Hmm I am not sure about the card - i would think windows would detect it and install automatically no?   The real kicker is whether or not it could do it without keypress and mouse inputs.  

 

I'm actually getting interested to try

 

[Guest]

I will stay on Win 7 as long as I can. Win 10 doesn't interests me at all.

[shencereys]

5 minutes ago, Alkpaz said:

I am actually going to purchase that card so the next time I format I can see if that gets detected. I hate using the keyboard to navigate without the use of a mouse. 

Oh!  Please do update me on how it works!

 

I also now think I want to get a windows 7 VM going and I have zero pci 2.0 slot

[winny257]

1 hour ago, shencereys said:

I run two different GPUs in my system right now!  I have one run games and the other older run my other monitors.  Saves many frames.

 

You can keep your old GPU and just swap which one is active right? .  As long as your old win-7 compatible card is slotted in the mobo's #1 slot I think it should be ok and it would recognize it.

 

From experience the card that's in the #1 slot is what windows defaults to.  While 10 allows you to pick your GPU for different applications I think 7 may not.  Which is why you would want to make sure your old pre-dx12 card is seated there.

 

I can not install a third older card, because in my new PC already two DirectX 12 graphics cards are installed as CrossFire.
my Asus board has four slots for graphics cards, but each card uses one slot and blocks a the second!

 

and certainly I have no desire, when using Win7 to swap the hardware. 

[Masterpandabear]

I don't mind windows 10 that much anymore, i do prefer windows 7 and i was forced to switch to windows 10 because of hardware. The only problem i really had with Microsoft (besides being a greedy corporation like all corporations) was that they promote a culture that crappy software can pass as decent software, their QA is shit .... but lately they have slowly been correcting their many flaws and i was really surprised by the quality of VS code to name an example. They have been slowly upgrading windows 10 to the point that i don't mind using it, in fact i think i even like it now and i am hopeful that in the future it will become a good OS. Yes , the Cortana situation really sucks but nowadays is hard to protect your digital footprint and it will get harder, especially for those that use smartphones, so you gotta accept it and either move on or do something about it.

 

As for the old games, yes it sucks but i am glad that they do not worry much about it, making things work with legacy/old software usually brings design mistakes and bugs, sometimes we have to let go of the old to make space for the new. We all grew up with certain tendencies and GUI patterns, so i think the moment we see a change in the GUI our brain goes crazy and cry out and call the GUI crappy because it is not what we are used to, but it is what the younger generation is getting used to, does not matter if it has better UX or not. I think the same is true for anything: music, movies, book , games ... we might be right we might be wrong but it does not matter tendencies/technology/trends will move forward so it  is up to us to try to steer it with becoming involved, sometimes simple feedback to the proper people can make a difference.

 

It is sad that they are dropping support for windows 7 (it was a decent OS but it was not great) but i am glad so that they can focus on windows 10. But if you want to keep windows 7 just be aware of the risk especially if you go online, i do have a decent old laptop with windows 7 and my first gaming computer that has XP just for those old/legacy games, i got ransomware in my XP PC once, but since i did not have anything really important in there so i just formatted and reinstalled.

 

My advice is to not get attached to software or (anything material), be willing to try new things and understand that today software is easy to do, but good quality software is very hard to do as it is and more if you take into account the environment around it, gotta deal with the directors, managers, policies, rules, users and people in general.

 

Just my perspective as a software engineer.

[NNS10]

On 8/25/2018 at 12:54 PM, myuhinny said:

I'll stick with windows 7 just like I stayed with windows XP and completely bypassed that vista shit but generally anything they try to force onto their customers is going to be shit for 4 to 5 years till everyone fixes their shit and removes other crap and they are about to update to a new version then you can jump to the newest one as most of the shit should be gutted and fixed by then.

Windows 8 was the equivalent of Vista. And Vista's failure had more to do with the design and technicals. Windows 10's issues have to do the direction Microsoft as a whole is going. Microsoft wants to do things as a service and also get user data. This not only influences the design of Windows 10 but also its quality (since they try to push out regular content updates now, and the aggressive schedule seems to be affecting QA). So unless Microsoft changes its business strategy and direction, I don't think we'll see these issues resolved.

 

All this (including the questionable practices like the sneaky Get Windows 10 popups) started under the current CEO, so he might be a barrier to (good) change as well. Heck, the Windows development team was also dissolved under his leadership and now they're split up into different groups, with a big chunk under their cloud services group. That says a lot about the direction they want to head in, and MS might be past the point of recovery.

 

At this rate, we might be better off hoping for Vulcan to become more widely adopted so Linux becomes viable as a primary platform for gaming.

[aim4it]

Only if Vulcan is easy to develop with and gets a good and powerful IDE like visual studio.

[myuhinny]

The reason why Vista failed is because it wasn't compatible with most of the shit out there. If you are going to force shit onto people you should at least make sure it's working with everything before hand otherwise you just end up making yourself look like an stupid idiot.

[unded]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton

Thanks god Steam is doing some work to simplify the transaction to Linux. Also open-source.
That being told it's not 100% their job but still.

[KoolHndLuke]

My fav OS was Win XP from some years ago. Never had a problem with it and I liked the way it worked- not that I know shit about this stuff.

 

 Now, I got a new pc with Win 10 and I was not thrilled with it. But, I don't understand all these people saying that this game or that doesn't work on it. TTW is not supposed to work well on Win 10 according to some ppl, but, it works just fine for me with 140 merged mods. I realize the updates tend to "break" things about mods and such. I just try to find a way around this shit.....and do most of the time. I mean, it's not like Microsoft is ever going to stop updating, so I just learn to live with it. Call me an idiot.

[Celedhring]

I have two different machines.  Win 7 is for my business stuff.  And the Win 10 machine is just for gaming.  That said, I much prefer the Windows 7 machine.   I do use Chrome but it's  loaded with addons to make it a shark cage browser so I don't have to deal with adware popups or shit like that.   Everytime Micro$oft updates on Windows 10, it's always cause for trepidation cause they're not known for their quality patching. 

 

And a major reason Windows 10 got off to such a rocky start was because they were upgrading Windows 7...and ignoring the most basic rule of installing an OS:  Never upgrade. Always do a  full and clean install.   That's what got them into so much shit. 

[NNS10]

On 8/26/2018 at 2:40 PM, aim4it said:

Only if Vulcan is easy to develop with and gets a good and powerful IDE like visual studio.

It's not a language or an IDE. Vulkan is a library like DirectX so it's just a matter of using Vulkan's API functions instead of DirectX's when programming.

 

The Unreal Engine already supports it, though I think they were targeting more of the mobile platform with Vulcan's cross-platform capability.

 

 

On 8/26/2018 at 5:03 PM, unded said:

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton

Thanks god Steam is doing some work to simplify the transaction to Linux. Also open-source.
That being told it's not 100% their job but still.

 

Proton is powered by Vulkan. Makes perfect sense for Valve to push for it because of their steam box being Linux-based.

 

The Unreal Engine, Unity, the Doom engine (Id Tech), and CryEngine... they all support Vulkan now. Just a matter of people using it. Then the exodus can begin.

[Guest]

W7 and Win 98 SE were the best OS ever made,In my opinion XP was shite until SP1 and 2,I'm running W10 Pro at the moment and as long as you can you get that spyware keylogger stuff off it's not too bad (few reg edits ) go into the settings and play around for a few days,defer updates for 365 days

 

I have to agree with Celedhring, doing  a  proper  format  and install l will solve most problems......I still think W7 is better but seeing I'm running a relatively new rig your  forced into in W10, W7 had an update that bricked my M/B

 

DX12  stolen from Vulkan and most games are made on 3 year old hardware,which brings us to the new Nvidia cards,overpriced and unneeded,Ray-tracing wooooo not for 1200$ and my 1070 will be good for 3 years

 

Ramble is now off

[chevalierx]

win 8 > win 7 ( with tweak is like win 7 at 80% but still win 8 with all important update)

i get no issue in any game i play  and hardware is compatible with os

win 7 can't handle news stuff and no drivers

my win 8 have the same ui as win 7 no metro shit , and star menu /button/ same explorer but is win8