Sex in the front of the children?

[Guest]

"Who are my Ivy and Prince?"

If you check their (eva's and Prince's) profiles, you will know who they are.  

[Guest]

WOW..there really are no stops here huh, this is seriously a legit discussion about having sex in front of your children? So people get upset when they find a bug in a mod, but are all cool about even the thought of having sex in front of kids...sick

[Jazzman]

There's a legal difference b/t accidental (unwelcome) and provoked (welcome) sexual encounters b/t adults and children. The latter is a punishable crime of pedophilia whenever it comes to public light, the former just an unpleasant, family internal irritation for both parties. Methinks you should be aware of the difference, not to go overboard /w the own sexual fantasy one day...

[Halstrom]

1 hour ago, TheWhite said:

Yeah my bad cause having sex in front of any child is totally okay. I'm ashamed.?

So you should be accusing someone of promoting incest, just because they disagree with you.

[Jazzman]

27 minutes ago, Halstrom said:

So you should be accusing someone of promoting incest, just because they disagree with you.

You're not even aware of the difference b/t incest and pedophilia as alluded to in the OP phrase "in front of" in contrast to "with", as it seems.

So you might want to get you an upgrade first, hmm?

 

NB I see that some of us are disconnected from reality and others are still linked to it. "Talking Babylonian" is thus the logical consequence. Too bad.

[Evaloves4]

Hi everyone, first, I want to thank you all for your comments. I have no problem with most of you who disagree with me about having a sex in the front of the children. Unlike some of you, I'm not judgemental; I see bestiality, BDSM, raping, beating, whipping and humiliation as weird and sick, but I do not judge those who practice those kind of things and I certainly do not call them names just because I don't like that stuff. The sub question of my thread was: what do you think about sex in the front of the children, NOT what do you think of me if I have it. I do not ask anyone's approval or/and judgement. I wanted to hear your opinion about that subject. That's all.

 

Second, I'm sex addict, bisexual, perverted and kinky and I'm not ashamed of it. Each to his own. Most of you disagreed with me which is fine. As I said in my first post: we did a lot of research about this subject and we found opposite opinions. We will certainly talk to our children about sexuality when the time comes and of course, if the child will be concerned and troubled with it, we surely wouldn't practice it.

 

Third, so what if I am incestuous?! It doesn't mean I'm a pedophile too. I never said and never will have sex with underage child. Why incest would be greater evil, greater than bestiality, rape and other shit? Nobody is competent to grade such perversions because we ALL would defend the things we like and enjoy and attack things (and persons) we don't like.

 

Feel free to continue to express your opinion about this, but please, be civilized and sustain from insults. Thank you

[winny257]

On 8/14/2018 at 4:49 AM, Rokabur said:

It's interesting to consider. I saw somewhere that it was actually determined that children raised in a household where the parents never drank had a higher risk becoming alcoholics then those children raised in households where the parents drank responsibly in front of the children.

another example, applies to my family, my wife and I are heavy smokers, my two sons also smoked from the age of 16.
my sister and her husband do not smoke, as well as your three adult children.
One thing I can say with certainty, everything that parents do, colors their children as of.
becomes a child badly treated, (in some countries, beatings are common) then this child will also be 90% malicious!
Sex in front of the children should be avoided, the inhibition threshold drops rapidly and what is if an adolescent boy also wants sex and do not get him?
I'm going from the worst case. 

[KoolHndLuke]

I had a friend- my best friend at one time actually- that said he was exposed intentionally by his parents to them having sex in front of him. He didn't say that they made him watch- it was more like they just didn't care if he saw or not. He admitted that this fucked him up his whole life- among other things they did (his father pimping his mother for one). The images of his parents having sex in front of him were burned into his memory and he said it made it hard for him to have normal relations with women- He only ever dated one or two women in his life before he drank himself to death.

 

I also had a girlfriend at one time that didn't care about having sex in front of her two daughters- I wouldn't, but, I'm sure she did with others before and after me. Not sure why she was surprised to find that her eldest at age 9 or 10 was getting naked for boys at school by their requests.

[Tirloque]

On 8/14/2018 at 4:33 AM, EvalovesEP said:

My question is: what do you think? Is it good and normal to have a sex in the front of the children or should it be avoided at any cost?

Please, be serious and respectful in your responses.  Thank you.

 

Two important things: English is not my native language and I apologize if I presented my arguments poorly. Second, I'm coming from very conservative culture in Europe that still doesn't know which direction to go: modern Western or conservative religious.

Children's behavior greatly depend on the education they receive. One does easily understand that the quality that education does partly condition their adaptation to the society they live in ; that's the purpose of it after all. So to answer your question, you must answer two of them :

 

• Is decency a behavior to be acquired to live in your society ? (is it normal to walk around naked in your country ?)
• If yes, is intercourse covered by that decency notion in your society ? (is it normal to have sex in front of others in your country ?)

 

You know Croatia better than I do. So I you want your children to behave normally in Croatia, you can answer those two questions by yourself. 

 

Regarding your side questions :

• Is it related to judeo-christian roots ?  I've traveled to Japan, which has Buddhist/Shinto roots, and was surprised to find how close they were to European ways in that domain.
• Is it a part of a regular sexual education ? Well, as far as I know, sexual education done within the school never involved performing the act, nor even having it described visually. It mostly covered it verbally, and mostly aimed to inform the children about the consequences of it (pregnancy and STD).

15 hours ago, TheWhite said:

I guess if you want your children to like incest you're on the right track.

9 hours ago, Halstrom said:

Assumptions and personal insults devalue opinions.

I do not usually agree about many of TheWhite's statements, but on this one she might be closer to reality than you think. I've known the details about a certain amount of pedophilia cases, and learned at this occasion about one behavior which was found in a certain number of case. That being the parents exposing their children to pornography : they watched porno movies in family. Of 'course that was not the case every time, but if was the first time I heard about that kind of behavior.

 

So I imagine if those same parents then even performed intercourse in front of their children, that would confuse those children even more about what's normal and what's not, and leave them even more exposed to being abused by an adult, whether it's by one of their parents or not.

[Tirloque]

55 minutes ago, EvalovesEP said:

Second, I'm sex addict, bisexual, perverted and kinky and I'm not ashamed of it. Each to his own. (...)Third, so what if I am incestuous?! It doesn't mean I'm a pedophile too.

Sexual behaviors are a purely personal domain, and thus, in a modern society, as long as they keep being private, are entirely free and only concern the two adults involved. So it's alright if you're a sex addict, as long as it only affects you and your mates. There's nothing wrong to it, and them being considered as strange or not is irrelevant.

 

Now in a modern society, an individual acquires rights as soon as he/her is born. Which means, children aren't the property of the parents, and the parents are held responsible before the law of any abuses or mistreatments committed against their children. So that's were the big difference between private sexual practices in between adults, covering even incest (as long as the two persons involved are consenting adults) ; and incest performed on children (which is pedophilia). As a child can't be considered as consenting before he/she comes of age of sexual majority (which depends on the country), and the adult initiating it will then be held responsible before the law of the act and of the consequences on the future life of an underage victim.

 

So sum up things :

« So what if I'm incestuous ? »

— Incest between adults : private matters. One can do strange things considered as strange, as long as their private and not hurting anyone, it's purely a matter of freedom.

— Incest involving a child : crime.

[Halstrom]

40 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

I do not usually agree about a lot of TheWhite's statements, but on this one she might be closer to reality than you think. I've known the details about a certain amount of pedophilia cases, and learned of the occasion about one behavior which was found in a certain number of case, that being the parents exposing their children to pornography. They watched porno movies in family. Of 'course that was not the case every time, but if was the first time I heard about that kind of behaviour.

So people referred to or using the names "My Ivy" and "Prince" are somehow linked to a high rate of incest for their children?

[Tirloque]

21 minutes ago, Halstrom said:

So people who use those 2 name are linked to a high rate of incest for their children somehow?

I do not understand your sentence. What do you mean by "those 2 name", could you be more specific ?

21 minutes ago, Halstrom said:

So people referred to or using the names "My Ivy" and "Prince"  are somehow linked to a high rate of incest for their children?

Those people haven't had children yet, and the incest risk is linked to the way they educated and behave towards their children. So I can't tell anything about it, maybe they'll be perfect parents, maybe not, it all depends on their future behavior.

The thing I can tell however, is that people that do show dysfunctional libido symptoms WITH their children seem to expose them to a higher risk of abuse (watching porno movies in family is only an example of it). And same goes to children that have been abused in the past, they are more likely to replicate this kind of abuse on their comrades (sometimes without even knowing it's wrong), or to show various trouble in their future sexual life (not necessarily involving pedophilia, but all sort of issues related to sexual life).

 

[Halstrom]

10 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

Those people haven't had children yet, and the incest risk is linked to the way they educated and behave towards their children. So I can't tell anything about it, maybe they'll be perfect parents, maybe not, it all depends on their future behavior;

The thing I can tell however, is that people that do show dysfunctional libido symptoms WITH their children seem to expose them to a higher risk of abuse. And same goes to children that have been abused in the past, they are more likely to replicate this kind of abuse on their comrades (sometimes without even knowing it's wrong), or to show various trouble in their future sexual life (not necessarily involving pedophilia, but all sort of issues related to sexual life).

 

Your second paragraph has nothing to do with Whites assertion and assumption that the children will likely be incestious purely because of the references to "My Ivy" and "Prince"

[Jazzman]

5 hours ago, EvalovesEP said:

I'm sex addict, bisexual, perverted and kinky and I'm not ashamed of it. Each to his own. Most of you disagreed with me which is fine.

Guess it's my turn now.

I'm sex addicted, bisexual, perverted and kinky and I'm not ashamed of it. Each to his own. Some of you don't agree with me which is fine.

 

And yet we play for opposing teams in this case which makes the kinky pun totally irrelevant again for support fishing here...

[Tirloque]

7 minutes ago, Halstrom said:

Your second paragraph has nothing to do with Whites assertion and assumption that the children will likely be incestious purely because of the references to "My Ivy" and "Prince"

Right. 

If my understanding is also right, TheWhite's second and third sentences were also not referring to that phrase, but to the question asked in the title of the topic :

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« Sex in front of the children ?»

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I guess if you want your children to like incest you're on the right track.

 

I myself do not see it as normal to sexualize one's parents. Or just expose a child to sex. It's unnecessary. You can very well be verbally open about it without having to show it in action.

 

 

Also, as far as I know, there isn't any kind of hidden reference behind "my Ivy" and "Prince" names. They just happen to be the pseudonyms of EvalovesEP's current partners.

[Tirloque]

9 hours ago, -Caden- said:

WOW..there really are no stops here huh, this is seriously a legit discussion about having sex in front of your children? So people get upset when they find a bug in a mod, but are all cool about even the thought of having sex in front of kids...sick

Loverlab is a place where you can discuss of topics that most would consider taboo. Now, unless you claim your principles are universal, there is more than one way of discussing things :

• Disdain, postures, yelling and personal attacks based upon various opinions including religion. Which often leads to no discussion at all.
• Calmly discussing and giving arguments and explanations, possibly leading to a more general conclusion of one's personal opinions.

 

People do know pedophilia is wrong. Nudity and marital sex not being pedophilia, there is no harm in discussing why exposing children to both of those can lead to dysfunctional behaviors. Things that may be obvious to you may not be to everyone, not to mention the "normality" in USA might not be the same than in India or Congo. And even if they are, that should only make them easier to demonstrate in a logical discussion.

[Evaloves4]

Thank you @Tirloque for being my "spokesman"   My English can't compare with yours and I struggled to find proper words. You said exactly what I wanted to say. That's why I apologized in my first post for male and poor arguments.

 

Just one note that I missed to mention: when our ministry of education introduced sex and sexuality in schools starting from age 9 to adolescent they also talk to the children how to react if the see/catch their parents in sex act. The children are though that sex normal thing, but if they are shocked, afraid or similar, they should talk to their parents. Also, parents are obligated to be present on meeting with the teacher for "sex education" who explains to them what effects (negative and positive) can have on children if being seen in sex scene.

 

I will close my arguments with this post. @Tirloquesaid it all. THANK YOU, AGAIN, Trilog.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

Loverlab is a place where you can discuss of topics that most would consider taboo. Now, unless you claim your principles are universal, there is more than one way of discussing things :

• Disdain, postures, yelling and personal attacks based upon various opinions including religion. Which often leads to no discussion at all.
• Calmly discussing and giving arguments and explanations, possibly leading to a more general conclusion of one's personal opinions.

 

People do know pedophilia is wrong. Nudity and marital sex not being pedophilia, there is no harm in discussing why exposing children to both of those can lead to dysfunctional behaviors. Things that may be obvious to you may not be to everyone, not to mention the "normality" in USA might not be the same than in India or Congo. And even if they are, that should only make them easier to demonstrate in a logical discussion.

Attacking? Did I hit someone with a bat? No so nobody got attacked let's not become a drama queen we all have our opinions and we express our opinions the way we want because anybody can have free speech and say anything however they want, to me it's sick.

 Funny how it is complete taboo to think of making a mod that involve sex and children but real life?! hey what the hell let's throw it out there and roll the dice see what happens

 It has nothing to do with religious beliefs or anything like that, anyone that even can become aroused around children something's wrong..And I will state it again, I think it's sick!

You have your opinion and you're free to express your opinion however you want and I have my opinion and I'm free to express my opinion however I want and if I was standing in front of someone that was considering having sex in front of their children then I WOULD hit them with a bat! THEN you can make the dramatic claim that I attacked someone!

 

If you don't want people to have an opinion again something you're talking about that don't post it on the internet

[Jazzman]

1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

People do know pedophilia is wrong. Nudity and marital sex not being pedophilia, there is no harm in discussing why exposing children to both of those can lead to dysfunctional behaviors. Things that may be obvious to you may not be to everyone, not to mention the "normality" in USA might not be the same than in India or Congo. And even if they are, that should only make them easier to demonstrate in a logical discussion.

Of course people know that pedophilia is wrong, a serious criminal act, it's in the news almost on a daily base. However, they only have a vague understanding of what it contains. Exposing the own (or just for the event bought) children consciously to sex, thus with the obvious intention to increase the one-sided lust of the adults, to get an extra oomph, is clearly pedophile abuse with perhaps even devastating consequences for the development of the child as already mentioned by others here. No further discussion needed.

 

Nudity is total nakedness, not to be confused with female toplessness (normal in many cultures, esp. Polynesia, Central Africa and the Amazon region and in the whole West during the late 60s, 70s and early 80s). So as long as I keep my thong on on the beach I'd not go reported as illegal nudist, I might get as scandalizer tho in areas where it is a big pseudo-religious deal. Knowing what beach might lead to what is thus important to me. And I've already referred to a conscious retreat from parental nudity by children that get aware (and often temporarily scared) of their own changing body in puberty, sometimes already earlier. I don't see anything harmful for the development of a child in all of this 'cause it actually just triggers adults that vividly claim their own narrow point of view as the only legit one just to feel better and thus less depressed.

[winny257]

10 hours ago, Elf Prince said:

"Who are my Ivy and Prince?"

If you check their (eva's and Prince's) profiles, you will know who they are.  

[panthercom]

 Speaking from my own memories as a child, I was repulsed when I saw my mom partly naked

one time. That certainly didn't apply to seeing other women naked, as I enjoyed looking at

Playboy magazines or any representation of a naked female at least as far back as six years old.

 

 I didn't like seeing family members kiss each other either, so I certainly would have been appalled

to see them having sex. I never got the whole incest thing; it's naturally abhorrent to me. So I can

say if I'd been forcibly exposed to anything involving immediate family members it probably would

have been a traumatic experience for me... other people's family members?... I was a horny little

goat and would have probably enjoyed playing 'doctor', although I much preferred people my

own age.

[winny257]

1 hour ago, TheWhite said:

?

Shit I hope the FBI like organizations in all countries are scanning this forum. Some folks should be locked up. In the madhouse or prison.

Why?
a man and two women and all three are happy, where is the problem????
there are countries there a man has many women (harem) and no one would dare to criticize this man! 

 

edit: even in america usual! ?

 

Mormon

 

[Tirloque]

1 hour ago, -Caden- said:

Attacking? Did I hit someone with a bat? (...) if I was standing in front of someone that was considering having sex in front of their children then I WOULD hit them with a bat! THEN you can make the dramatic claim that I attacked someone!

 

If you don't want people to have an opinion again something you're talking about that don't post it on the internet

You're right about asking something meaning accepting opposite point of views. I was merely stating that stating "obvious" isn't discussing, and than there are more productive ways of discussing than proposing to kill them with a bat. You're free to contradict, just leave the names calling and stoning proposals where they belong.

 

 

I'll add one more thing : I prefer people that do ask seemingly stupid questions, and then behave accordingly to the answers they get ; than people who are too afraid to ask/conceited to doubt their innate skill and then end up making mistakes. Where I studied, I noticed a girl that constantly stupidly asked the teachers about what they had just explained, even though it seemed quite clear. She was a bit dumber than average, yet hard working, also attended more preparatory classes than most... And ended being ranked 60th on a 6000 candidates exam, which was better than what any of us "intelligent" people did.  To be meditated.

1 hour ago, Jazzman said:

Of course people know that pedophilia is wrong, a serious criminal act, it's in the news almost on a daily base. However, they only have a vague understanding of what it contains. Exposing the own (or just for the event bought) children consciously to sex, thus with the obvious intention to increase the one-sided lust of the adults, to get an extra oomph, is clearly pedophile abuse with perhaps even devastating consequences for the development of the child as already mentioned by others here. No further discussion needed.

 

Nudity is total nakedness, not to be confused with toplessness (normal in many cultures, esp. Polynesia, Central Africa and the Amazon region and in the whole West during the late 60s, 70s and early 80s. So as long as I keep my thong on on the beach I'd not go reported as illegal nudist, I might get as scandalizer tho in areas where it is a big pseudo-religious deal. Knowing what beach might lead to what is thus important to me. And I've already referred to a conscious retreat from parental nudity by their children that get aware (and often temporarily scared) of their own changing body in puberty, sometimes already earlier. I don't see anything harmful for the development of a child in all of this 'cause it actually just triggers adults that vividly claim their own narrow point of view as the only legit one just to feel better and thus less depressed.

Couldn't have said better on both points.

2 hours ago, EvalovesEP said:

 Also, parents are obligated to be present on meeting with the teacher for "sex education" who explains to them what effects (negative and positive) can have on children if being seen in sex scene.

 

I will close my arguments with this post. @Tirloquesaid it all. THANK YOU, AGAIN, Trilog.

The idea of parents being present (and also educated, in some way) seems great to me. And, you're welcome Eva.

 

[winny257]

37 minutes ago, panthercom said:

 Speaking from my own memories as a child, I was repulsed when I saw my mom partly naked

one time. That certainly didn't apply to seeing other women naked, as I enjoyed looking at

Playboy magazines or any representation of a naked female at least as far back as six years old.

 

 I didn't like seeing family members kiss each other either, so I certainly would have been appalled

to see them having sex. I never got the whole incest thing; it's naturally abhorrent to me. So I can

say if I'd been forcibly exposed to anything involving immediate family members it probably would

have been a traumatic experience for me... other people's family members?... I was a horny little

goat and would have probably enjoyed playing 'doctor', although I much preferred people my

own age.

no, no family members, just a threesome couple.  Eva, Ivy and Prince ?

[Nexussuckstwice]

7 hours ago, Tirloque said:

Sexual behaviors are a purely personal domain, and thus, in a modern society, as long as they keep being private, are entirely free and only concern the two adults involved.

Not true in religious families. Mormons for example would allow only certain sexual positions.

Anyone else is a sinner and goes to hell, apparently.

 

7 hours ago, Tirloque said:

 

Now in a modern society, an individual acquires rights as soon as he/her is born. Which means, children aren't the property of the parents, and the parents are held responsible before the law of any abuses or mistreatments committed against their children.

Again, Christians do not care and force their religion on little kids as soon as they born. From that moment onward they will be brainwashing and abusing poor kids continuously and in the end kids would grow up completely fucked up as adults.

No one gives a damn. It's fine in Murrica.