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The Purge of Riften (3/)


Resdayn

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previous part: https://www.loverslab.com/blogs/entry/9821-the-purge-of-riften2/

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Hello

 

If you are new Reader welcome!

 

I suggest cheking out the story sheet and start with the beginning.

 

https://www.loverslab.com/blogs/entry/6362-story-sheet-gwynolda/

 

The Purge of Riften (3/)

 

 

 

 

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One thing I realised from all the memories I hidden from myself, it was not wise. I made myself weakerby taking away all the experiences and memories. I could avoid so many events and trouble, I experiences in the past months, and even the heart-break too from Evelynn. 
 

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After I done here, Markarth is the next after all. I swear on Lady Dibella's name, I make the city pay for everything it did for me, and for you Evelynn? I crush your plans and ambitions as you did with my heart.. you made your own doom by letting me go..

 

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 Lady Dibella be praised, I have now the authory and power to do what I see fit right. Imperator Magus suggested starting with the prison, in this corrupt town there might be someone who know the something about the underworld..

 

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 Im not sure he actually told the Jarl and the guards, he has a Iudex with him.. this might make the things messy..

 

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 No matter that, I have my tools for that..

 

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One guard at the door, seems opposed Whiterun, entering the prison is not allowed just like that...

 

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Most of the guards here are corrupt, so they are worthless anyway, no one gonna care if I kill him, let alone the Imperator Magus..

 

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Moving up there, distracting as a new comer guardwomen, few flirts to let his guard down, after all who can say no to a pretty face, even the mighty Witch Queen couldn't, why would this weak-minded idiot would?..

 

Gwynolda: Hello Handsome, Im the new here, can you a help a bit?

Guard: Of course have you lost your post or what can I do for you sweety?

Gwynolda: There is thing you can help with me..

 

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Then casting a illusion spell made up with sickness, terror and some of the dark vision, this corrupt guard just die from the shock slowly and terribly..

 

Gwynolda: Just die..

 

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 Not the first time I kill someone, I even erased my first time doing it along with my combat skills, .. just because I did fear end like my mother..

 

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I should be greateful for the Imperator Magus, this was definetly nothing more than just stupid girls naive desire to run away problems, he is right, I need face them and accept them..

 

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 Prison seems to big to scout a head without getting suspicious, there must be something I can start with..

 

Guard: (laugh) Wasn't we a bit rough with her?

Guard: Why?

 

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Gwynolda: Hmmmm?

Guard: I mean we raped her while arresting her, we could wait afer she is in the prison?

Guard: I can't help with, she was my type..

 

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I presume the Boss means someone in the underworld, this might be a good lead..

 

Guard: Boss ordered to be rough with her specially, we had too do it...

Guard: I guess you right, what do you think of a second round with her(laugh)

 

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Im sure if these two trash just outright descreate the Divines and a girl just because someone's order, I should try getting some intel out from them before delivering justice, they seems not bright either..

 

Gwynolda: Hello handsomes, Im a bit lost, I was ordered to join guarding the girl from the boss..

Guard: Ohh my who is this girl?

Guard: Im not sure, but I did not know Boss had pretty girls working for..

 

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Guard: Of course girl in the 1st floor of the prison in the very back, she is a bit had a rough day, but Im sure we can patch her up later(chuckles).

Guard: So when did you join the town guards, wanna get know each other?

 

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Gwynolda: I think I pass that..

 

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Their words where true, I find the women's cell in the 1st floor, compared a prison cell this one is rather too good, but in this prison most of the cells look way too good for keeping criminals there.. something off..

 

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She immedietly noticed me of course, looked rather not my type of girl, but I keep my guard up..lets find out why are you so important..

 

Women: Who the fuck are you? What you want your friends was not enough?

 

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Gwynolda: Im Gwynolda, working with the Imperator Magus to cleanse the corruption of the city as Imperial Iudex, Im not your enemy, but I can be your ally..

 

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Gwynolda: I know its hard, but can you give anything what we can use as leads or anything what can help us finding out..

Rigmor: Call me Rigmor, so you working with that masked person? You say he is actually that person?

Gwynolda: Yes, and you can be sure, nobody can stand up against him..

 

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Rigmor: In that case, I know who is the boss behind the whole crime organisation.. there was a reason why they throwed me there, to keep the information safe and punish me..

Gwynolda. Punish you? Why? Who are you exactly?

 

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Rigmor: I was the second in command for the hole thing, but Boss decided get rid me, since I was not followed her like a puppy, damn it without me, she never would got the whole city and the hold under her graps..

Gwynolda: Who is the Boss?

 

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Rigmor: Its the Blackbriar family, specificly Maven Blackbriar, keeping the council of Thanes, skooma trade, Thieves guild in her hand, she run the whole hold, while that stupid Jarl sitting at her fancy chair.. now she plan to get the bandits and baraign with the dark brotherhood and other dark sects..

 

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She did make one mistake, you not tell intel and important information without asking first something in return, there are no remorse or regret in her words, I think I have no reason to keep her alive.. she is just as scum like the others..

 

Rigmor: I was content following her and helping out everything, but when necromancy, death worshipper assasins and even vampires got into the plans, I questioned her once

 

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Rigmor: Now she raped with her goons and throwed me there, til I kiss her feet and beg to her mercy.. but seems divines smiled upon me, when I saw the Imperator Magus, I feared him few days ago..

 

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Rigmor: But now his pressense is blessing, I can make Maven pay, I presume I get protection and pardoned for my words and intel yes? What are you doing?

Gwynolda: I patch you up with my spells..

 

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Rigmor: What those are not healing spells!!

Gwynolda: You are just as scum like this Maven person, Stendarr may show mercy, but I don't, since you told me everything, I just can burn you alive..

 

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Be cleansed by those flames and be burn.. you do not deserve any mercy or second chance, it was truly lucky she spilled those intel without asking something first.. she was stupid as those guards..

 

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So Maven Blackbriar, we already got the name, Imperator Magus will be pleased to hear that. I think before telling him I check the Temple of Mara just incase to see there are no heresy..

 

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But finally, we can work towards to cleanse this city of all the trash, Riften can breathe finally.

 

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Humming

 

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This Vampire blood thing was not a bad product, I got younger and prettier like for what some diet change? Feels so good to be my prime again.. like a new make up

 

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Ohh Of course, lets not forget why I am here in the first place to help out with Riften's corruption. That arrogant masked idiot asked me to help, but he said its fine if I drank this blood and my daughter is here to meet with me as well.. What is even her name?

 

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That. Was. Excellent! ? This darker, more brutal version of Gwynolda is just perfect!

 

Even though her behavior is certainly questionable from the judicial point of view, it feels like she has had enough and is finally standing up for herself.  And while she may be a bit overzealous with her interrogation methods, somehow after everything she's been through, it seems fitting.  No more Miss "nice Dibellan priestess". Now the world will feel everything she's been feeling before! (insert cold, evil laughter here).

 

The switch from Gwyn to her mother, accompanied by the humming really made me shiver. It was magnificent and terrifying and also drew very clear parallels between mother and daughter.  The fact that Gauis was the one who brought both of them to Riften is curious.  Looks like he's playing his own game. Does he simply want to see how Gwyn will handle Eliza or is there more to it? After all, it looks like he allowed her to become a vampire. ?

 

The screenshots were as gorgeous as ever and the narration very engaging. I have to admit, this made me chuckle : "There is something you can help me with...just die". Lady Trinn would certainly approve! (speaking of that, with the way things are going in your Riften, my poor necromancer might need to find a new business partner ?)

I do not know whether this was intentional, but this shot is like a female version of Gauis ?:


 

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Can't wait to find out whether Gwyn will discover any heresy in Mara's temple and of course really looking forward to her eventual meeting with mother-dearest.

 

Wonderful work, Resdayn. Thank you for sharing it with us! ?

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Wow, that was brutal ! I was warned beforehand, but I didn't expect Gwynolda would do such a 180° turn ; it's almost like if getting her memories back had reset her in fact ! ouch.gif
 

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Anyway, I expected your main protagonist to finally act on her own, I am not disappointed. The change of behavior is dramatic ! XD It even looks like she adopted Gauis' mindset in terms of behavior (purging the corrupted, killing to erase traces), along with his views over the world. I'll even say she went even further than him, as killing the first guard when you had illusion spells at your disposal, and while he didn't show signs of corruption was certainly overzealous... ?

 

In terms of entertainment, the show is there, with a quite cinematographic end of each sequence with for example Gwynolda answering "I'll pass on that", then activating her spells. You almost can imagine the black screen with the guards' screams if this were a movie. :D So despite being cruel, each of her punchlines aimed right, and made a "evil badass" effect at nearly each kill.

 

Yet now, she'll have to deal with Maven, and it is probable Gauis reasons for bringing Eliza here aren't innocent either.

 

In terms of style, you shortened the text quite a bit (possibly only due to the characters not making speeches anymore :classic_tongue:). And it carried the action better, as your exposed yourself a bit less to grammar issues.

 

 

Anyway, we are entertained ! :smiley:

 

 

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                  Why's Gwynolda killing everyone ?? :classic_blink: She went nuts 'cause of the reindeer lady and the red guy, yes ! :classic_confused:

                  I must go to Riften very quickly and very fast, otherwise she's gonna end completely crazy ! Smiley_ummon_HFR.gif »

 

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I just started to use that same guard armor not too long ago. :smile: Your wording maybe still a little off but I still get what your saying. :wink::thumbsup:

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17 hours ago, Devianna said:

That. Was. Excellent! ? This darker, more brutal version of Gwynolda is just perfect!

 

Even though her behavior is certainly questionable from the judicial point of view, it feels like she has had enough and is finally standing up for herself.  And while she may be a bit overzealous with her interrogation methods, somehow after everything she's been through, it seems fitting.  No more Miss "nice Dibellan priestess". Now the world will feel everything she's been feeling before! (insert cold, evil laughter here).

 

The switch from Gwyn to her mother, accompanied by the humming really made me shiver. It was magnificent and terrifying and also drew very clear parallels between mother and daughter.  The fact that Gauis was the one who brought both of them to Riften is curious.  Looks like he's playing his own game. Does he simply want to see how Gwyn will handle Eliza or is there more to it? After all, it looks like he allowed her to become a vampire. ?

 

The screenshots were as gorgeous as ever and the narration very engaging. I have to admit, this made me chuckle : "There is something you can help me with...just die". Lady Trinn would certainly approve! (speaking of that, with the way things are going in your Riften, my poor necromancer might need to find a new business partner ?)

I do not know whether this was intentional, but this shot is like a female version of Gauis ?:


 

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Can't wait to find out whether Gwyn will discover any heresy in Mara's temple and of course really looking forward to her eventual meeting with mother-dearest.

 

Wonderful work, Resdayn. Thank you for sharing it with us! ?

Thank you ❤️

 

Im very glad you like her ?, well considering all the things she been thought, with more memories then she had before, yeah its make sense she had enough and not want anymore of those experiences more. She has the authory, the abilities and the experience to avoid them.

 

Her actions are actually "legalised" by Gauis, her actions and words are his, lets hope she not make the body count higher then Gauis intended, all Gwynolda's actions and decision are done by in his authory and name, even if she just decides do what she fits right in whim.

 

You can say Gwynolda is now judge, executor and the law in Riften, and in a corrupt lawless place, no one gonna bat an eye if she gonna purge and execute casually, this is Riften after all.

 

Zealous part is funny, cause she always was religious Dibellan sister, and now she uses her name or Stendarr's to deliver justice.

 

Yes definetly world will feel it, Markarth and Evelynn gonna have a big head ache with a girlt hey abused returning with power and authory, ready to make their life hell. ☺️

 

That extra scene with Eliza was perfectly worth, it was a good decision to put it there and use it in the end, yep humming was total intentional, as much Gwynolda hates she still a very daughter of Eliza and take a lot of things from her.

 

He is indeed play some shady thing, Eliza is casually at the Bee and Garb, if the pics wasn't a hint, thats where Gwynolda did meet him, however, he seems not really asked Eliza to do anything, which probably gonna make Eliza ignore the hole thing, she eventually go to meet Gwynolda.

 

Thankies, Im glad my shots and narration are good ?

 

Yes that is intentional, each antagonist has an effect on Gwynolda and her personality and actions, Eliza's influence is strongest and most, but tohers have their own influence and effects on her, this entry has references for each influence, I write those in the spoiler with examples.

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From mother Hamal, she started twist her faith, and use to justify her actions, like what she does now, see Killing and delivering in Dibella's and stendarr's name.

 

From Evelynn, she is deceive and lie now to get what she wants, like the Witch Queen who is fake, see lying to Gauis, deceive the guards and Rigmor.

 

Eliza is special case, compared the other's, cause from humming to her taste in women, hard to make something stand out.

 

From Gauis, using authory and power for her own goals, see revenge on Markarth and Evelynn as well the power Gauis offered in exchange.

 

It seems Riften is place of many stories and actions in LL, Trinn do her bussiness here, Gauis and Gwynolda purge it, while Temple of Mara has heretic party ?

 

Who knows what she discover in the Temple ?

 

 

14 hours ago, Alter Native said:

Nice job!

I like the vampire screenshots. She looks good like that.

Thank you ?

 

Yes, Im actually very happy with Eliza's vampire design.

10 hours ago, Jayomms said:

I just started to use that same guard armor not too long ago. :smile: Your wording maybe still a little off but I still get what your saying. :wink::thumbsup:

Its a good mod, makes guards and stormcloaks not a joke.

 

Its still third language.

11 hours ago, Tirloque said:

Wow, that was brutal ! I was warned beforehand, but I didn't expect Gwynolda would do such a 180° turn ; it's almost like if getting her memories back had reset her in fact ! ouch.gif

Anyway, I expected your main protagonist to finally act on her own, I am not disappointed. The change of behavior is dramatic ! XD It even looks like she adopted Gauis' mindset in terms of behavior (purging the corrupted, killing to erase traces), along with his views over the world. I'll even say she went even further than him, as killing the first guard when you had illusion spells at your disposal, and while he didn't show signs of corruption was certainly overzealous... ?

 

In terms of entertainment, the show is there, with a quite cinematographic end of each sequence with for example Gwynolda answering "I'll pass on that", then activating her spells. You almost can imagine the black screen with the guards' screams if this were a movie. :D So despite being cruel, each of her punchlines aimed right, and made a "evil badass" effect at nearly each kill.

 

Yet now, she'll have to deal with Maven, and it is probable Gauis reasons for bringing Eliza here aren't innocent either.

 

In terms of style, you shortened the text quite a bit (possibly only due to the characters not making speeches anymore :classic_tongue:). And it carried the action better, as your exposed yourself a bit less to grammar issues.

 

Anyway, we are entertained ! :smiley:

 

 

Malicia : « Smiley-ryoandr-HFR.gif

 

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                  Why's Gwynolda killing everyone ?? :classic_blink: She went nuts 'cause of the reindeer lady and the red guy, yes ! :classic_confused:

                  I must go to Riften very quickly and very fast, otherwise she's gonna end completely crazy ! Smiley_ummon_HFR.gif »

 

Good, cause it was intended to be brutal and suprising, Im glad even worked well for you who was aware she might do act on herself questionable things ?

 

There was reason why she was set this well and make a mystery around what she gonna do ?

 

Memories do had influence, rather big, since if it makes personaly traits and a person, seeing her this like means she had some nasty things to hide, as you can see she perfectly fine killing people's in the name of the eight, which she was actually fine before too, since she planned kill Hamal and used strendarr's justice.

 

As you saw, she stated hole memory thing was a stupid thing out of fear, and she regret it, it seems she thought some on her past events in the story, that may influence her atittude too.

 

Gwynolda also have each antagonist subtly influence her personality in some aspect, this entry also showcased those a bit.

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From mother Hamal, she started twist her faith, and use to justify her actions, like what she does now, see Killing and delivering in Dibella's and stendarr's name.

 

From Evelynn, she is deceive and lie now to get what she wants, like the Witch Queen who is fake, see lying to Gauis, deceive the guards and Rigmor.

 

Eliza is special case, compared the other's, cause from humming to her taste in women, hard to make something stand out.

 

From Gauis, using authory and power for her own goals, see revenge on Markarth and Evelynn as well the power Gauis offered in exchange.

This thing started with effectively in act 2 and onwards.

 

This Gwynolda is currently the one we know, expect has the experience of her past she hiddien, who also thought some of her life's events in her current self, and the antagonist influences as well.

 

I mean she talked about the fact, she not kills the first time, might a sign she hide some darker things. ?

 

Gauis and Gwynolda both lawful characters, but there are differences in their ways, they share the view of the town sure, but Gauis lawful side coming from his authory and role in the Empire, he would handled the situation differently nor would kill Rigmor for her intel after she has no use anymore.

 

Gwynolda on other hand, its from her faith, while she respect the law and authory, she does things out of her religions views on it, she is overzealous, way less resonable and offer no mercy.

 

Yes she had illusion magic at her disposal, and guard show no sign of corruption, she already decided city is rotten and all guards is mostly likely corrupt, thus decided to kill.

 

Yes, Im actually very happy with all scenes, they are the way I wanted them to be, and pretty much do what I wanted, Gwynolda's vibe is menacing, badass and even actually has villainous vibe, as you said 180° turn compared her normal aura and vibe as character, pictures, her new hair and expressions, actions have a lot of thing to do with this.

 

Eliza thing is big change is the games, seems her words state, Gauis has some shady things ongoing, since she not left the same place Gwynolda and Gauis meet, and she is wondering whats up now.

 

Yeah, Maven is sorta need to be careful, we have Gwynolda walking around and Gauis who looking for the "Boss", you may count Eliza do actions too, Maven gonna have a bad week.

 

Text are shortened, cause we not hear Gwynolda's narration and thoughts as we used too, even if she commented on her plans and actions in the entry, we not sure whats going in her head and what exactly she hide.

 

Well Malicia, she went nuts, cause she always hidden dark things apparently, red guy just offered her the chance to do whatever she want, and going to riften might be not wise.

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Excellent work, Lady D. Enjoyed in Gwynolda's "bad side". She looks prettier than before. Did you change her texture?

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On 9/4/2019 at 12:38 PM, Resdayn said:

This Gwynolda is currently the one we know, expect has the experience of her past she hiddien, who also thought some of her life's events in her current self, and the antagonist influences as well.

 

I mean she talked about the fact, she not kills the first time, might a sign she hide some darker things. ?

 

Gauis and Gwynolda both lawful characters, but there are differences in their ways, they share the view of the town sure, but Gauis lawful side coming from his authory and role in the Empire, he would handled the situation differently nor would kill Rigmor for her intel after she has no use anymore.

 

Gwynolda on other hand, its from her faith, while she respect the law and authory, she does things out of her religions views on it, she is overzealous, way less resonable and offer no mercy.

That's what it seemed to me, she's overzealous even compared to Gauis. :sweat_smile:

On 9/4/2019 at 12:38 PM, Resdayn said:

Yes she had illusion magic at her disposal, and guard show no sign of corruption, she already decided city is rotten and all guards is mostly likely corrupt, thus decided to kill.

Looked like an arbitrary execution to me. :classic_tongue:

On 9/4/2019 at 12:38 PM, Resdayn said:

rom mother Hamal, she started twist her faith, and use to justify her actions, like what she does now, see Killing and delivering in Dibella's and stendarr's name.

 

From Evelynn, she is deceive and lie now to get what she wants, like the Witch Queen who is fake, see lying to Gauis, deceive the guards and Rigmor.

 

Eliza is special case, compared the other's, cause from humming to her taste in women, hard to make something stand out.

 

From Gauis, using authory and power for her own goals, see revenge on Markarth and Evelynn as well the power Gauis offered in exchange.

Interesting insight. Smiley_henri_gaud-belin_HFR.gif

On 9/4/2019 at 12:38 PM, Resdayn said:

Yes, Im actually very happy with all scenes, they are the way I wanted them to be, and pretty much do what I wanted, Gwynolda's vibe is menacing, badass and even actually has villainous vibe, as you said 180° turn compared her normal aura and vibe as character, pictures, her new hair and expressions, actions have a lot of thing to do with this.

Evil Gwynolda is unleashed ! Though in terms of show, that only made things more interesting, I'm eager to discover what she'll do next. :smiley:

On 9/4/2019 at 12:38 PM, Resdayn said:

Yeah, Maven is sorta need to be careful, we have Gwynolda walking around and Gauis who looking for the "Boss", you may count Eliza do actions too, Maven gonna have a bad week.

The Maven in my setting wouldn't be a tender one. She'd probably have bodyguards, and would probably react just like a mafia godfather would to what happened in the jail.

On 9/4/2019 at 12:38 PM, Resdayn said:

Well Malicia, she went nuts, cause she always hidden dark things apparently, red guy just offered her the chance to do whatever she want, and going to riften might be not wise.

Malicia : « It's 'cause of what I said about kissing pee-pees, right ? She went nuts because of me... Smiley-ramasse-miettes-HFR.gif »

 

 

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2 hours ago, EvalovesEP said:

Excellent work, Lady D. Enjoyed in Gwynolda's "bad side". She looks prettier than before. Did you change her texture?

Thank you ❤️

 

She just changed her hair, probably the aura she has now ?

34 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

That's what it seemed to me, she's overzealous even compared to Gauis. :sweat_smile:

Looked like an arbitrary execution to me. :classic_tongue:

Interesting insight. Smiley_henri_gaud-belin_HFR.gif

Evil Gwynolda is unleashed ! Though in terms of show, that only made things more interesting, I'm eager to discover what she'll do next. :smiley:

The Maven in my setting wouldn't be a tender one. She'd probably have bodyguards, and would probably react just like a mafia godfather would to what happened in the jail.

Malicia : « It's 'cause of what I said about kissing pee-pees, right ? She went nuts because of me... Smiley-ramasse-miettes-HFR.gif »

 

 

 

Difference in both character way of handle the thing.

 

Gauis would cut one infected branch from a tree to save the rest, minor sacrifice for the rest, Gwynolda on otherhand would burn the entire tree, because she already decided it is lost.

 

I don't think she gonna bother which guard corrupt or no ?.

 

Gwynolda's aligment is unchanged, she still lawful good, and not really evil, nor she saw herself one, she actually think she is right ?

 

Maven isn't, but you have to count while Gwynolda running around and remove witnesses, she have far bigger thing to deal, Gauis is there and some body guard and bribed law, not gonna stop him in anyform, she plans something to deal with Gauis, after all she is not stupid.

 

Im sure Maven aware of everything.

 

Hmmm Malicia might can give her pee-pee to Gwynolda, could calm her down ?

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6 minutes ago, wilson99 said:

thank you i like the way it goes , Gwynolda is very pretty both bodies and looking forward for the next ?

Thank you ?

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23 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Difference in both character way of handle the thing.

 

Gauis would cut one infected branch from a tree to save the rest, minor sacrifice for the rest, Gwynolda on otherhand would burn the entire tree, because she already decided it is lost.

 

I don't think she gonna bother which guard corrupt or no ?.

That's a different approach indeed. ^^

23 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Gwynolda's aligment is unchanged, she still lawful good, and not really evil, nor she saw herself one, she actually think she is right ?

I don't see a lawful good character murdering a guard on duty without even making sure he's somewhat guilty. Murder isn't nor lawful, nor good. He alignment is shifting closer to the one of an inquisitor burning heretics than the one of a knight full of compassion and bound by the laws. At least IMO. :classic_tongue:

23 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Maven isn't, but you have to count while Gwynolda running around and remove witnesses, she have far bigger thing to deal, Gauis is there and some body guard and bribed law, not gonna stop him in anyform, she plans something to deal with Gauis, after all she is not stupid.

 

Im sure Maven aware of everything.

I want The Purge of Riften chapter 4 already ! :smiley:

 

23 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Hmmm Malicia might can give her pee-pee to Gwynolda, could calm her down ?

Malicia : « I can't give my own pee-pee. You're making fun of me while I'm being very sad. ? »

 

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6 hours ago, Tirloque said:

I don't see a lawful good character murdering a guard on duty without even making sure he's somewhat guilty. Murder isn't nor lawful, nor good. He alignment is shifting closer to the one of an inquisitor burning heretics than the one of a knight full of compassion and bound by the laws. At least IMO. :classic_tongue:

Inquisitor burning heretics is hella lawful good to me ?

 

This aligment is either the most goody two shoe or the biggest zealot.

 

Lawful good character always sees itself right, so does Gwynolda here.

6 hours ago, Tirloque said:

Malicia : « I can't give my own pee-pee. You're making fun of me while I'm being very sad. ? »

 

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12 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Inquisitor burning heretics is hella lawful good to me ?

 

This aligment is either the most goody two shoe or the biggest zealot.

 

Lawful good character always sees itself right, so does Gwynolda here.

Everyone sees itself right in her/his own vision, that's not specific to any alignment.

 

  • Good = benevolent, compassionate, caring for others.
  • Lawful = respectful of the laws and rules, of word given, of truth, of honor.

An inquisitor could be either lawful neutral or lawful evil, as he would enforce his law but without showing an inch of compassion towards his victims or the ones around him. Worse, he could even enjoy torturing or killing them, which when done for condemned criminals can be allowed by the law ; and is a lawful bad alignment.

And that's the big difference with a paladin, lawful good, who may spare/show mercy an opponent showing remorse : ultimately while both are actively fighting evil, ultimately the paladin wants to protect what's good, while the inquisitor wants to punish what's bad.  That's quite different in intention.

Also, the paladin may sacrifice himself/herself to protect someone ; while the inquisitor's aim is precisely to strip his/her targets of all protections. 

 

 

By killing the guard on duty while he didn't show any sign of corruption, but just was closer to a group she judged globally corrupted, Gwynolda show a merciless and generalizing mindset that is closer to a 40k inquisitor purging heretics than to... let's say Batman's one (who is the archetype of lawful good) or Luke Skywalker's.

That difference shows in what they do with defeated opponents :

  • killing unarmed opponents, who have expressed remorse, is not something a character with honor and compassion would do. His/her aim is to defeat him/her, not to kill him/her.
  • Whereas, an inquisitor wants to punish, and hereby having a victim her considers guilty, unarmed or not is irrelevant to him/her : he/she will punish her/him in some way, including death.

 

You've got that same difference in our universe :

— Tabrielle, who actually spared a young Forsworn who surrendered. Despite her being her enemy, and member of a corrupted faction she despises.

— Gwynolda . who killed a guard without evidence just because he was in the wrong place at the wrong moment. And then an unarmed thug trying to switch sides and who had already been punished for it ; just because she had forgotten to officially trade her information. And so showed about as much compassion than the Djinn in oriental tales (= none ^^).

Worlds of difference between those two attitudes.

 

Which doesn't meant she wasn't badass as hell here. :classic_wink:

 

And I'm going to explore different aligments too in Mourning White. And it started by Urunach, who's probably neutral evil. But there'll be characters in between, including a "punisher" one. :classic_tongue:

 

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I must quote Eva because I agree with her. :)

Very nicely done. One more thing although you can rejected it because it is your blog: you and @Tirloque had very good conversation but since each replay was long it took a lot of scrolling down the page to read other comments. I suggest you guys put your answers (if been long) into spoilers. Again, do as you want. I just said my mind :)

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3 hours ago, Tirloque said:
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Everyone sees itself right in her/his own vision, that's not specific to any alignment.

 

  • Good = benevolent, compassionate, caring for others.
  • Lawful = respectful of the laws and rules, of word given, of truth, of honor.

An inquisitor could be either lawful neutral or lawful evil, as he would enforce his law but without showing an inch of compassion towards his victims or the ones around him. Worse, he could even enjoy torturing or killing them, which when done for condemned criminals can be allowed by the law ; and is a lawful bad alignment.

And that's the big difference with a paladin, lawful good, who may spare/show mercy an opponent showing remorse : ultimately while both are actively fighting evil, ultimately the paladin wants to protect what's good, while the inquisitor wants to punish what's bad.  That's quite different in intention.

Also, the paladin may sacrifice himself/herself to protect someone ; while the inquisitor's aim is precisely to strip his/her targets of all protections. 

 

 

By killing the guard on duty while he didn't show any sign of corruption, but just was closer to a group she judged globally corrupted, Gwynolda show a merciless and generalizing mindset that is closer to a 40k inquisitor purging heretics than to... let's say Batman's one (who is the archetype of lawful good) or Luke Skywalker's.

That difference shows in what they do with defeated opponents :

  • killing unarmed opponents, who have expressed remorse, is not something a character with honor and compassion would do. His/her aim is to defeat him/her, not to kill him/her.
  • Whereas, an inquisitor wants to punish, and hereby having a victim her considers guilty, unarmed or not is irrelevant to him/her : he/she will punish her/him in some way, including death.

 

You've got that same difference in our universe :

— Tabrielle, who actually spared a young Forsworn who surrendered. Despite her being her enemy, and member of a corrupted faction she despises.

— Gwynolda . who killed a guard without evidence just because he was in the wrong place at the wrong moment. And then an unarmed thug trying to switch sides and who had already been punished for it ; just because she had forgotten to officially trade her information. And so showed about as much compassion than the Djinn in oriental tales (= none ^^).

Worlds of difference between those two attitudes.

 

Which doesn't meant she wasn't badass as hell here. :classic_wink:

 

And I'm going to explore different aligments too in Mourning White. And it started by Urunach, who's probably neutral evil. But there'll be characters in between, including a "punisher" one. :classic_tongue:

 

 

 

Thug show no regret or anything of her part as 2nd in command of Maven, thats heavily influenced her decision to execute her, only thing we can question is her killing one guard, but thats 50% he is corrupt or no thing, no one gonna make Gwynolda asnwer for that one kill, let alone Gauis.

 

Gwynolda killed the two guard, cause they were raped a girl, she delivers justice and Dibellan sister not gonna stand still, when they spitted on her goddess.

 

Yes, I probably suggest putting this one too in spoiler, since its rather long and we went off topic with the aligments. 

 

So far Gwynolda did nothing what would result changes in her aligment, you should play more games with aligments ?, she need do something seriously bad for it.

 

Otherwise, I see no point making debate about this in my comment section.

2 hours ago, Elf Prince said:

I must quote Eva because I agree with her. :)

Very nicely done. One more thing although you can rejected it because it is your blog: you and @Tirloque had very good conversation but since each replay was long it took a lot of scrolling down the page to read other comments. I suggest you guys put your answers (if been long) into spoilers. Again, do as you want. I just said my mind :)

Thank you ❤️

 

Well not my fault if entry need long comments or answers for comments, but current one is off topic, so I agree with that.

 

I see what can I do with it Prince.

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Great job Res! I really like the narration in this part, but I must agree, the twist is like 180' but I really like it, you know ;)

And I saw a killing illusion spell. If I remember right that was the trick I used once :D Great implementation:)

And her new look is just badass as possible ^_^

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12 minutes ago, Crw said:

Great job Res! I really like the narration in this part, but I must agree, the twist is like 180' but I really like it, you know ;)

And I saw a killing illusion spell. If I remember right that was the trick I used once :D Great implementation:)

And her new look is just badass as possible ^_^

Thank you ❤️

 

Narration is mixture of the lack of our actual narrator Gwynolda's thoughts in this, we just hear her plans and thoughts on decisions and actions, we not hear what she thinks inside that much outside of that.

 

Well 180° in her aura and vibe thats sure, with the new design and actions, she certainly seems to be opposite of herself, but this happens when you hand over power and authory for a girl who wants make everyone pay for what they did for her.

 

Ahh, that probably was a while ago ?, I personally not thought for that one, just thought in concept illusion spells probably can cause various mental things what cna kill someone in shock XD.

 

Her hair change and atittude certainly influence the badassery ?

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6 hours ago, Elf Prince said:

Very nicely done. One more thing although you can rejected it because it is your blog: you and @Tirloque had very good conversation but since each replay was long it took a lot of scrolling down the page to read other comments. I suggest you guys put your answers (if been long) into spoilers. Again, do as you want. I just said my mind :)

To me, Gwynolda's alignment debate is on topic. But, I tend to go overboard discussing about interesting subjects, and this blog is. So I put my own comments into spoilers ; warn me if you are disturbed my Malicjia's comments too.

 

Malicia : « I very agree with you, Mr Prince. Tirloque talks way too much about very not interesting things, yes. That's what happens when you're silly and you don't even know it, uh. :classic_sleep: »

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4 hours ago, Resdayn said:

only thing we can question is her killing one guard, but thats 50% he is corrupt or no thing, no one gonna make Gwynolda asnwer for that one kill, let alone Gauis.

 

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So far Gwynolda did nothing what would result changes in her aligment, you should play more games with aligments ?, she need do something seriously bad for it.

And what could be more seriously bad than killing a potentially innocent dude ?

 

I only played 4-5 games with alignments, though four of them were massively cult games. Dunno about Pathfinder, but I those, if you killed an innocent or chose not to spare someone when you could have, it modified your alignment.

 

To conclude this, and even though that's not going to please Malicia, we have :

  • A rather hateful character whose most constant motivation seems revenge (against Hamal, Driada, Eliza, the nords)
  • Who would've committed murder on Hamal, would Driada not have killed her before XD
  • Who shows no hesitation in killing people long as they are flagged in a corrupted faction in her eyes. And who does that with evidence... or without.
  • Who doesn't show mercy to the defeated/surrendering foes.

 

I don't see an inch of mercy, nor compassion, nor altruism into that. The motives she's pursuing are her own.

 

So to me, that isn't lawful good alignemnt, nor even good in fact. Otherwise, Anakin "bringing peace and prosperity to his new empire" while murdering defenseless separatists on Mustafar would be lawful good too. And that she wasn't even good to begin with, more like lawful neutral or pure neutral (atm).

 

My take on this is that Gwynolda not having been master of her actions until now, it is a character we are in fact only discovering right now. And that she is another potential Anakin Skywalker, slowly going down though the path of hatred. And losing Driada's love, made her left only with that hatred towards the world. I wonder if Gauis is even conscious of that himself, 'cause that could backfire hard.

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4 hours ago, Resdayn said:

 

Ahh, that probably was a while ago ?, I personally not thought for that one, just thought in concept illusion spells probably can cause various mental things what cna kill someone in shock

Yea, it was when Rose use the amulet for the first time. And I thought the same way. Prooly that should work ^_^

That would made an Illusion spell grandmaster a very powerful enemy.

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2 hours ago, Tirloque said:

To me, Gwynolda's alignment debate is on topic. But, I tend to go overboard discussing about interesting subjects, and this blog is. So I put my own comments into spoilers ; warn me if you are disturbed my Malicjia's comments too.

 

Malicia : « I very agree with you, Mr Prince. Tirloque talks way too much about very not interesting things, yes. That's what happens when you're silly and you don't even know it, uh. :classic_sleep: »

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And what could be more seriously bad than killing a potentially innocent dude ?

 

I only played 4-5 games with alignments, though four of them were massively cult games. Dunno about Pathfinder, but I those, if you killed an innocent or chose not to spare someone when you could have, it modified your alignment.

 

To conclude this, and even though that's not going to please Malicia, we have :

  • A rather hateful character whose most constant motivation seems revenge (against Hamal, Driada, Eliza, the nords)
  • Who would've committed murder on Hamal, would Driada not have killed her before XD
  • Who shows no hesitation in killing people long as they are flagged in a corrupted faction in her eyes. And who does that with evidence... or without.
  • Who doesn't show mercy to the defeated/surrendering foes.

 

I don't see an inch of mercy, nor compassion, nor altruism into that. The motives she's pursuing are her own.

 

So to me, that isn't lawful good alignemnt, nor even good in fact. Otherwise, Anakin "bringing peace and prosperity to his new empire" while murdering defenseless separatists on Mustafar would be lawful good too. And that she wasn't even good to begin with, more like lawful neutral or pure neutral (atm).

 

My take on this is that Gwynolda not having been master of her actions until now, it is a character we are in fact only discovering right now. And that she is another potential Anakin Skywalker, slowly going down though the path of hatred. And losing Driada's love, made her left only with that hatred towards the world. I wonder if Gauis is even conscious of that himself, 'cause that could backfire hard.

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Her aligment is unchanged, especially in her perspective, so far she did nothing wrong, expect one guy who hangs out the corrupt guards.

 

Well you not really experienced then how much you can get away with lawful good when it comes to killing, it certainly would modify it, but so if we go your view she have -2 and with the other corrupt guards she have +2 modifier, thus zero changes. ?

 

Her action was lawful since Gauis wash her hands. ?

 

As been stated, Gwynolda do actually take some stuff from her antagonist, her faith is used to justify her actions and she has power and authory do act as she see fit right.

 

Anakin is good example, since she have the dangers to end up a fallen hero or very thing she not want end, her own mother, its not that subtle Eliza and Gwynolda share similar traits.

 

Gauis is not aware of how Gwynolda would act, hence he just handled over the authory and see what she do.

1 hour ago, Crw said:

Yea, it was when Rose use the amulet for the first time. And I thought the same way. Prooly that should work ^_^

That would made an Illusion spell grandmaster a very powerful enemy.

Ohhh that was illusion? Well it was actually, but seemed more bit more then that.

 

See Jagarn Tharn in lore, haha, he was good in that school.

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To me, Gwynolda's alignment debate is on topic. But, I tend to go overboard discussing about interesting subjects, and this blog is. So I put my own comments into spoilers ; warn me if you are disturbed my Malicjia's comments too.

 

Malicia : « I very agree with you, Mr Prince. Tirloque talks way too much about very not interesting things, yes. That's what happens when you're silly and you don't even know it, uh. :classic_sleep: »

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And what could be more seriously bad than killing a potentially innocent dude ?

 

I only played 4-5 games with alignments, though four of them were massively cult games. Dunno about Pathfinder, but I those, if you killed an innocent or chose not to spare someone when you could have, it modified your alignment.

 

To conclude this, and even though that's not going to please Malicia, we have :

  • A rather hateful character whose most constant motivation seems revenge (against Hamal, Driada, Eliza, the nords)
  • Who would've committed murder on Hamal, would Driada not have killed her before XD
  • Who shows no hesitation in killing people long as they are flagged in a corrupted faction in her eyes. And who does that with evidence... or without.
  • Who doesn't show mercy to the defeated/surrendering foes.

 

I don't see an inch of mercy, nor compassion, nor altruism into that. The motives she's pursuing are her own.

 

So to me, that isn't lawful good alignemnt, nor even good in fact. Otherwise, Anakin "bringing peace and prosperity to his new empire" while murdering defenseless separatists on Mustafar would be lawful good too. And that she wasn't even good to begin with, more like lawful neutral or pure neutral (atm).

 

My take on this is that Gwynolda not having been master of her actions until now, it is a character we are in fact only discovering right now. And that she is another potential Anakin Skywalker, slowly going down though the path of hatred. And losing Driada's love, made her left only with that hatred towards the world. I wonder if Gauis is even conscious of that himself, 'cause that could backfire hard.

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> Malicija would be forgiven if she post naked selfie :P

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5 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Her aligment is unchanged, especially in her perspective, so far she did nothing wrong, expect one guy who hangs out the corrupt guards.

 

Well you not really experienced then how much you can get away with lawful good when it comes to killing, it certainly would modify it, but so if we go your view she have -2 and with the other corrupt guards she have +2 modifier, thus zero changes. ?

 

Her action was lawful since Gauis wash her hands. ?

 

As been stated, Gwynolda do actually take some stuff from her antagonist, her faith is used to justify her actions and she has power and authory do act as she see fit right.

The +2 -2 would work in a video game ; yet for real, if you say to a judge that you've killed thugs to make up for having murdered a cop ; you'd be charged for three murders instead of one. XD

 

Anyway, killing corrupted people, unless those are attacking isn't really "good" aligned either (remember Batman's example).

 

Yet it's very possible her alignment indeed didn't change, but it's just because it was neutral to begin with. Which is why we're surprised, now that she takes action.

Anyway, I've bothered you enough with that for the time being. :classic_wink:

 

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5 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Anakin is good example, since she have the dangers to end up a fallen hero or very thing she not want end, her own mother, its not that subtle Eliza and Gwynolda share similar traits.

 

Gauis is not aware of how Gwynolda would act, hence he just handled over the authory and see what she do.

It's an excellent example of slow alignment shift. Yet in his case, it's at first love that brought him to fear, and then fear which bring hatred.

 

Gauis is gonna end as part as of the BBQ. :lol:

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7 hours ago, Crw said:

That would made an Illusion spell grandmaster a very powerful enemy.

Good thing that spell isn't canon then, because Malicia's Illusion skills are excellent. :classic_biggrin:

 

 

58 minutes ago, EvalovesEP said:

> Malicija would be forgiven if she post naked selfie :P

Malicia : « I'm sorry Mrs Eva, but I can't... 'cause that would take place ; and then Mr Prince wouldn't scroll anymore, you see ? :classic_happy: »

 

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The +2 -2 would work in a video game ; yet for real, if you say to a judge that you've killed thugs to make up for having murdered a cop ; you'd be charged for three murders instead of one. XD

 

Anyway, killing corrupted people, unless those are attacking isn't really "good" aligned either (remember Batman's example).

 

Yet it's very possible her alignment indeed didn't change, but it's just because it was neutral to begin with. Which is why we're surprised, now that she takes action.

Anyway, I've bothered you enough with that for the time being. :classic_wink:

 

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It's an excellent example of slow alignment shift. Yet in his case, it's at first love that brought him to fear, and then fear which bring hatred.

 

Gauis is gonna end as part as of the BBQ. :lol:

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Good thing that spell isn't canon then, because Malicia's Illusion skills are excellent. :classic_biggrin:

 

 

Truth be told, Gwynolda's bio only state lawful aligment, not anything on good or neutral or evil. You are not seems too far with the lawful neutral.

 

I have a few "jokes" like nobility incesting, and lawful good is almost evil aligment ?, noble is more of just a joke, lawful good being evil is my experience with gaming went I played around muder hobo chars. 

 

Good thing Gwynolda is the Judge here haha, otherwise she would be having 4k gold bounty ?

 

She can fall and be a fallen hero, but this concept and how I see it, gonna be in pm-s a bit too long for this section and not too revelant.

 

It raises the stakes if our heroine can end up very thing she not want ?

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The +2 -2 would work in a video game ; yet for real, if you say to a judge that you've killed thugs to make up for having murdered a cop ; you'd be charged for three murders instead of one. XD

 

Anyway, killing corrupted people, unless those are attacking isn't really "good" aligned either (remember Batman's example).

 

Yet it's very possible her alignment indeed didn't change, but it's just because it was neutral to begin with. Which is why we're surprised, now that she takes action.

Anyway, I've bothered you enough with that for the time being. :classic_wink:

 

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It's an excellent example of slow alignment shift. Yet in his case, it's at first love that brought him to fear, and then fear which bring hatred.

 

Gauis is gonna end as part as of the BBQ. :lol:

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Good thing that spell isn't canon then, because Malicia's Illusion skills are excellent. :classic_biggrin:

 

 

Malicia : « I'm sorry Mrs Eva, but I can't... 'cause that would take place ; and then Mr Prince wouldn't scroll anymore, you see ? :classic_happy: »

 

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11 hours ago, Resdayn said:

I have a few "jokes" like nobility incesting, and lawful good is almost evil aligment ?, noble is more of just a joke, lawful good being evil is my experience with gaming went I played around muder hobo chars.

That would explain why then you consider Lawful good as evil characters in fact. But that is in fact due to you finding a way to exploit RPG adjusting alignment through numerical values. What's important in D&D's original alignment system is what a character has in her/his heart. If a character is in fact abusing a system to allow him/her to commit evil deeds while being ununished, then it's that deep inside he/she is in fact rather evil indeed.

 

But that's not the alignment that is evil, it's just that you found a way to fool a game's system. :classic_wink:

11 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Truth be told, Gwynolda's bio only state lawful aligment, not anything on good or neutral or evil. You are not seems too far with the lawful neutral.

That does make sens indeed. Smiley_jap_HFR.gif

11 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Good thing Gwynolda is the Judge here haha, otherwise she would be having 4k gold bounty ?

 

She can fall and be a fallen hero, but this concept and how I see it, gonna be in pm-s a bit too long for this section and not too revelant.

 

It raises the stakes if our heroine can end up very thing she not want ?

And that makes the story more complex and unpredictable. And thus creates the hype among the readers. :D

 

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