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Just a short update (from Sunday to today)


Evaloves4

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Ivy and I left to sleep while my Prince stayed in the living room saying that he’ll be joining us later. My mom checked on him several times during the night. When he woke up early in the morning she told him to get to the bed, but he told her that he’s is fine and that he almost doesn’t feel the pain. They were in the kitchen talking when I woke up.

 

 


I took a quick shower and I join them. Kissing my mom first I sat in his lap “mmmmming” contently and saying that I miss it a lot and I loudly kissed him. My mom smiled. We talked about us, uncle and everything. When Ivy woke up, she also joined us after the shower. My mom asked us if there is something more we want to talk about before she goes home and I remembered Triloque’s comment on my blog entry about our children. I said to her that we don’t want to have children now but we surely would have them one day. Both of us, Ivy and me. We told her that Ivy and I were never jealous on each other and that Prince was never jealous on us when we were intimate with each other because he loves us equally making no difference between us. We both want to have children with our Prince one day but we don’t know how my children should address to Ivy and her children to me, since they have one father and two mothers. We both told her that we would love each other’s children as our own, just as she loves my Prince. We also told her that we spoke about this subject earlier but we need some more advices and “instructions”. She said that she is very unexperienced in this matter and she don’t know how to advise us but she told us what she thinks saying that we can decide if we would accept what she says. She thinks that our children might be confused if they would have two mothers. Just as it is the case with gay marriages and adopted children who has two fathers. She said that our society and our culture is very different than the western and that we can’t “copy and paste” their experiences. Our society is still more conservative then the West and she suggested that my kids should address to Ivy as aunt and the same goes for Ivy’s children for me. In that case children would know that they have one father and one mother because it is impossible to have multiple parents. She also said that polygamy would be hard to explain to children who grows in monogamy society but it will be much easier then explaining “2 mothers, 1 father” issue. She also said that she will talk to Livio, Zdenka and Marko and they will try to find the best solution for us and that as she knows my dad, Marko and Zdenka. they will all accept our children without making difference between them. Her ideas sounded very acceptable and wise to us and we thanked her and kissed her.

 

Then my Prince took his new guitar and said to my mom:
- Mom, with this song, I want to say how much I’m grateful to you for your care for me and how much I love you.
He stood up, sang and played Croatian song: “Mama” - by Oliver Dragojevic. She couldn’t stop crying, kissing him and hugging him. Ivy and I were very touched too and we cried hugging and kissing my mom. It was very emotional moment and it took us a while until we come to normal. She thanked him and said that she will call my dad to pick her up and she’ll return home since Prince is feeling very well and that there is no need for her to stay any longer. My Prince offered her to drive her home saying that he would like to see uncle again. My mom packed her things and after kissing us and hugging us, she went home. My Prince returned some hour later and the first thing he did was he deep kissed us both saying that he loves us very much. He said that he talked to his uncle and that he doesn’t even think of Branka anymore and that he is emotionally stable. He sent his regards to us. He said that my mom hardly let him go home and she couldn’t stop crying for him. My dad had to take her to another room so he can return home. My Prince also had the tears in his eyes when telling us this. He loves my mom very much, too.

 

After that we dressed up and went to the mall to buy a gifts for my boss and his wife. We returned home doing some preparations. wanted to fuck first but when we realized that we don’t have much time left, we decided to do it after the lunch with boss and his wife when we come home. We couldn’t wait to return home.

 

We didn’t stay long with my boss and his wife. Some 2 hours. She made some meal that we never ate before. She said she combined some Italian, French and domestic dish. When she brought the lemon cream cake my Prince was thrilled. He thanked her and complimented her cake several times. Ivy and I loved it too. When we asked them where is the rest of their family they looked at us strangely. I repeated boss’s words from the office and they both smiled saying that thought about us when they said “family lunch”. We thanked them for that privilege and we talked about passed week and the job. He also told him that since he has his team now, he doesn’t have to be present in the Hotel’s bar and restaurant all the time but organize his team members and oversee their work. He wants him to be concentrated on his organization of his team work and his music and entertaining. This is good thing. That means my Prince would have more time to do other things and have more free time instead of “fishing” the quest to spend more money in our restaurant and the bar and entertain them when he is not in the mood for that. He will also get some students and the animators during the summer season who will be responsible to him. While we talked I came to one idea. I asked them if they are willing to meet mine and Ivy’s parents and having a lunch with us next Sunday in Ivy’s parent’s villa. They saw them already few times in the Hotel during some parties, but they never met “officially”. They said that they would love to. We were all glad they accept it.

 

After having the coffee and more of delicious lemon cream cake, we went home. The first thing we did was having good fuck in the bedroom. We didn’t play our game this time because we needed a good sex and we just led the lust to lead us. After the sex, my Prince was very eager to log on LL and we spent some time. Then he worked with Ivy on the final exam for tomorrow. They worked till very late and I couldn’t wait for them so I left to sleep.

 

Very early in the morning we woke up and after the morning sex under the shower we enjoyed in morning coffee. Monday and today were very busy for my Prince. He had 16 guitar student yesterday for final exam and 7 more today. Wanting to make it all regular he formed the special board with two others professional musicians. Something like “The Voice” show. They were very strict and yet they looked “through the fingers" during the practical exam knowing that some in some students were scared and therefore not concentrated. Three students fell the exam and one of them was girl who took it very hard. She cried and cried and my Prince and Ivy hardly could comfort her. She even wanted to have a sex with him to make her easy on the exam. My Prince, of course, didn’t want to use her. They will all have new opportunity in Friday. He told them what they have to learn and they have to ready. All of the student who past the exam received diploma for successful passing 6 months guitar course. The best student received the guitar and guitar case as the reward worth 500 Euro on Hotel’s expense. They organized the party for my Prince. (They are at the Hotel at present resting from the exam and waiting for the party). The next course will start in September or October. Depends about the summer season.

 

I would hardy see them this week and I’m afraid that they won’t be able to work on the new “Kinky sisters” episode although they promised. They received the schedule for this week in Monday noon and they will be very busy even for the weekend. Plus we have a family gathering with my boss and his wife in villa this Sunday. They are both too busy since they have some event every night and our Hotel is almost crowded. The good thing is that we at least have our breaks in the Hotel. We use every single opportunity to be together and to “help” each other when we need our “dose”.

 

 

 

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Short, yet interesting diary.

 

About the children issue, supposing your love remains equal, and unaltered by time and jealously :

— Well, to the children I don't think it is needed to lie to them, they just don't need to know everything. For example if you have a child with Prince, then that child could simply call Ivy by her first name, while calling you « mum » and Prince « dad ». In a similar way, Ivy's child could simply call you Eva. That way, each one has a mom and a dad, even if it's the same dad. Just don't mention them that Prince is still « active » with both of you until they come of age. Once they become teenagers, having only one bed for the three of you might get delicate to explain though.

— Your family seems understanding and I believe could go on with it

— Prince would have to recognize both child as his own before law

— To the others, specially at school : it might be better if teachers and children do not guess that you're polygamist. If they only see you and Prince once referring you about your child ; and then Ivy and Prince when referring about Ivy's child, they will think Prince had a child with both but is currently only with one of you. Just like divorced people.  At the contrary, if they always see the three of you taking decisions and care about each child... then I'm afraid that would expose you to peoples judgments, and you children to children nastiness.

 

Also, I believe that model could only resist all foreseen hardships if your love remains equally shared, without jealously. Time is the best way to make sure of that, so giving yourself some years before taking the children step might be wise. :angel:

 

But I have no more experience of this life model than your parents, so consider the thoughts of every understanding member of your family. :)

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Short, yet interesting diary.

 

About the children issue, supposing your love remains equal, and unaltered by time and jealously :

— Well, to the children I don't think it is needed to lie to them, they just don't need to know everything. For example if you have a child with Prince, then that child could simply call Ivy by her first name, while calling you « mum » and Prince « dad ». In a similar way, Ivy's child could simply call you Eva. That way, each one has a mom and a dad, even if it's the same dad. Just don't mention them that Prince is still « active » with both of you until they come of age. Once they become teenagers, having only one bed for the three of you might get delicate to explain though.

— Your family seems understanding and I believe could go on with it

— Prince would have to recognize both child as his own before law

— To the others, specially at school : it might be better if teachers and children do not guess that you're polygamist. If they only see you and Prince once referring you about your child ; and then Ivy and Prince when referring about Ivy's child, they will think Prince had a child with both but is currently only with one of you. Just like divorced people.  At the contrary, if they always see the three of you taking decisions and care about each child... then I'm afraid that would expose you to peoples judgments, and you children to children nastiness.

 

Also, I believe that model could only resist all foreseen hardships if your love remains equally shared, without jealously. Time is the best way to make sure of that, so giving yourself some years before taking the children step might be wise. :angel:

 

But I have no more experience of this life model than your parents, so consider the thoughts of every understanding member of your family. :)

 

Dear friend, thanks for your very constructive opinion. My angles haven't seen your post yet because they are working but I'm sure we share the same thoughts about what I'm saying now.

1. We would never and will never lie to our children because we do not lie to each other and lie doesn't bring anything good. If we assume and see that our children aren't capable (mentally and emotionally) to accept the truth we will rather be silent or delay the answer for later, then lie to them.

2. About the dressing my children to Ivy and reverse using our names: I have no problem with this, but when we talked to my Prince earlier he is strongly against it. He explained that in this case (I'm not sure I'm able to explain it well in English and I apologize in advance) children wouldn't have certain "respect" for the other "mom". In our culture if the children addressing to their parents with their names is proved as some type and kind of disrespect. It reduce the parenthood on a "acquaintance" level. He strongly believes and holds that no children should address to their parents by their names. So, in our case, he thinks and my children should address to Ivy with "aunt", rather then using her name and reverse. We support him in this although if our children decide to use our names in infarction with us, we won't forbid them,

3. "The law issue": Since our marriage isn't recognized by the Law, polygamy can't be the issue. W can have as many children we want with ANYONE we want and not be in the conflict with the Law. He grand dad lived in warlock with one women and he had children with several other women. My Prince told us that he's dad saw the birth certificates of some of the children with different women and they contained his name as their father. So, it's not against the law.

4. "The school problem": You've right. Our children might have certain problem caused by other children and the teachers. We have to work more on this and we will. At the moment we do not plan to have children next few years so we will work on this. :)

5. "Jealousy issue": We all believe that jealousy isn't a good thing and it's possessive. We aren't such a people. We know that Prince would never live us and we won't leave him. But since nobody isn't certain about own future, neither we know what the future brings. We know what we ant and how we want to build our future. All together until we pass away. Thou, I can not guarantee that things might not change one day. People are changing and start to do things they never thought they will be able to do. So far, we are "saw on the good ground"; respecting and loving each other and accepting our differences. We never had a problem with jealousy. Hope it will stay that way in the future. We'll try to keep it away as much we can.

 

Your comments is always welcome and appreciated. We will certainly go through your post when they come home. I don't know when it will be but we will read it and discuss about it. The time is our advantage. We have a plenty of time to discuss all or most of the issues because, as I said; we don't have in plan to have children next few years.

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My observations are just a point of view you know, nothing more. The advantage of using first names, was not forcing you to lie to your children (with the « aunt » solution). And a bit of practical experience, as I used it for my grandma second husband... long before I even understood what was a divorce. It just creates a special status for the named individual in a child's mind. However, if it's disrespecful in your culture, then it has drawbacks as well.

 

Anyway, I'm glad if discussing the matter beforehand could help you in the future. Words can hurt, but also help as well sometimes. :)

 

And I thank you and your officials for your consideration. ;)

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My observations are just a point of view you know, nothing more. The advantage of using first names, was not forcing you to lie to your children (with the « aunt » solution). And a bit of practical experience, as I used it for my grandma second husband... long before I even understood what was a divorce. It just creates a special status for the named individual in a child's mind. However, if it's disrespecful in your culture, then it has drawbacks as well.

 

Anyway, I'm glad if discussing the matter beforehand could help you in the future. Words can hurt, but also help as well sometimes. :)

 

And I thank you and your officials for your consideration. ;)

 

Hi Triloque. Ivy and I red your comments. Love the way you thinking. Eva explained my view points very well. You see, in our culture "aunt" and "uncle" are used in general way too. These two terms can be apply to both: relatives and other people in general when children addressing to older person. Older then them. It's kind impolite if children are addressing to older people with their names. It's disrespectful. Our lack of knowing English well and certain terminology was our handicap when trying to explain certain things but you are wise and smart person and you understand what we are trying to say. For me personally, I never addressed to my father using his name. Same was with my mother.  They were against it  and I learned from listening their talk about the people whom they knew that they didn't like to hear  children addressing to their parents with names. Smilja is my one of my uncle's daughter. When my father was alive, she never called him by his name but always "uncle" Same is with me with my uncle. I'm grown up, 23 years old and I still call my uncle, uncle. Using his name during the conversation with him is impolite and uncultured. I'm addressing to Eva's parents as dad and mom, although I can use their names, but calling them mom and dad is more closer and in relationship then using their names. So, our triangle love and marriage makes Eva, me and Ivy kind of "relatives" and the children may used "aunt" and other relatives "titles". )I hope you understand what I'm trying to say). :)

 

The good thing (as Eva said) is that we have a plenty of time to learn how we will raise our children. We are aware that there is not unique formula for success in raising the children but we hope we'll be a good parents. As Eva said: if Ivy's children would address to her with "Eva", and not with "aunt", I wouldn't forbid therm although I don't like it. We will see how it's gonna be one they when we will have the children.  Just a notice: My mom and dad had very different approaches when rising me and my dad's logic was more acceptable to me then my mom's. She tried to force me to change it and I didn't want to, but my dad, unlike my mom, when disagreeing with her never forced me to accept his opinion.

 

Anyhow, this subject is worth to study more and learn more about it. We certainly will because we want our children to accept all of us and loves us as we will love them. :)

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Hi Triloque. Ivy and I red your comments. Love the way you thinking. Eva explained my view points very well. You see, in our culture "aunt" and "uncle" are used in general way too. These two terms can be apply to both: relatives and other people in general when children addressing to older person. Older then them. It's kind impolite if children are addressing to older people with their names. It's disrespectful. Our lack of knowing English well and certain terminology was our handicap when trying to explain certain things but you are wise and smart person and you understand what we are trying to say. For me personally, I never addressed to my father using his name. Same was with my mother.  They were against it  and I learned from listening their talk about the people whom they knew that they didn't like to hear  children addressing to their parents with names. Smilja is my one of my uncle's daughter. When my father was alive, she never called him by his name but always "uncle" Same is with me with my uncle. I'm grown up, 23 years old and I still call my uncle, uncle. Using his name during the conversation with him is impolite and uncultured. I'm addressing to Eva's parents as dad and mom, although I can use their names, but calling them mom and dad is more closer and in relationship then using their names. So, our triangle love and marriage makes Eva, me and Ivy kind of "relatives" and the children may used "aunt" and other relatives "titles". )I hope you understand what I'm trying to say). :)

I understand. If « aunt/uncle » can be used in a more general way, then it might be preferable indeed, as you said. :)

 

The good thing (as Eva said) is that we have a plenty of time to learn how we will raise our children. (...)

Anyhow, this subject is worth to study more and learn more about it. We certainly will because we want our children to accept all of us and loves us as we will love them. :)

I think time and reasoning are your best allies in that matter. The simple fact of you having this discussion tend to prove that when you want, you can have both of them (when not using your fists first that is =p). Let's hope for a peaceful way until then. ;)
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I think time and reasoning are your best allies in that matter. The simple fact of you having this discussion tend to prove that when you want, you can have both of them (when not using your fists first that is =p). Let's hope for a peaceful way until then. ;)

 

 

 

Hahahahahha - We certainly will talk about the children more and more. As for the arguing using the fists, I would never harm my witches. NEVER!!! I worship them. Some idiots and morons for whom no words matters, must be disciplined with the fists. That's the best cure for them. ;)

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