Conglomerate

donttouchmethere · September 9, 2020

On 9/6/2020 at 8:19 PM, Lenore said:

YOU are incredible, I really cannot thank you enough for all the time it took you to gather this information. You made my game perfect .. again, thank you. ❤️

Great to hear it helped and thank you for your kind words!

marcob3 · September 18, 2020

hi i am following this guide and i am at the point where after SOS is necessary to install Sexlab framework ( phase 1), but sexlab require xpmse wich is listed in this guide alot later in end phase 2, what i need to do? i need to install xpmse now then install sexlab and then reinstall xpmse again when i am in end phase 2 and do some overwrite or something else?

worik · September 18, 2020

5 hours ago, marcob3 said:

hi i am following this guide and i am at the point where after SOS is necessary to install Sexlab framework ( phase 1), but sexlab require xpmse wich is listed in this guide alot later in end phase 2, what i need to do? i need to install xpmse now then install sexlab and then reinstall xpmse again when i am in end phase 2 and do some overwrite or something else?

Are you using a mod manager ? If yes, which one?

... because the answer might make the sequence of your steps irrelevant or highly relevant. ?

marcob3 · September 18, 2020

51 minutes ago, worik said:

Are you using a mod manager ? If yes, which one?

... because the answer might make the sequence of your steps irrelevant or highly relevant. ?

vortex

worik · September 18, 2020

14 minutes ago, marcob3 said:

vortex

Ah, ok, I lack the experience with that. :classic_sad: .

Maybe somebody else can give you some more guidance for your question.

donttouchmethere · September 19, 2020

On 9/18/2020 at 2:03 PM, marcob3 said:

hi i am following this guide and i am at the point where after SOS is necessary to install Sexlab framework ( phase 1), but sexlab require xpmse wich is listed in this guide alot later in end phase 2, what i need to do? i need to install xpmse now then install sexlab and then reinstall xpmse again when i am in end phase 2 and do some overwrite or something else?

Sexlab doesn't require XPMSE as an installed mod (only Master of SLF is Skyrim), but it needs a body ingame to work with or won't do much.

The mods are listed in the sequence I install them. Exceptions are mentioned.

SOS comes with it's own skeleton, best to not install it (not needed anymore).

If you did install it you will overwrite it with XPMSE later.

The reason why XPMSE is listed so late in the guide is to make sure that everything above gets overwritten if it changes anything on the skeleton. For example SOS and AIO-P would come with an other skeleton and have to be overwritten, because XPMSE gets updated way more often.

You have to differentiate:

> Install order and Overwrites:

This also determines what files get overwritten in NMM.

In MO it determines the initial place in the left plane, but you can move files up and down to determine overwrite.

Sadly I have no clue how Vortex does it, but I guess it's a bit like MO and you have to move XPMSE below everything that it should overwrite. This means you can installl mods with Vortex and move them up and down later to simulate an overwrite. I hope it shows an extra option to change esm/esp location in LO?

We need @Grey Cloud here for Vortex details ^^

> Load Order: That's how esm/esp get organized and is unrelated to the install order and overwrites. It determines what sources from what mods get loaded at the end. For example two different Weapon replacer in one LO would like to modify the same damage output of the same weapon, but only the modification of the last one (lowest) in LO will win, thus changing the weapon stat.

Sexlab itself needs a body to work with ingame. A working SLF compatible body would consist of:

Texture => A fitting one for UNP or CBBE, either from AIO-P or standalone (or overwite AIO-P)

Mesh => either from Bodyslide and Outfistudio or AIO-P or Standalone Body

Skeleton => XPMSE

(Schlong and male textures => SOS (+maybe a texture replacer for men... need to add an option to this blog)

(HDT Pussy => AIO-P)

and a mod to adds custom animations to Skyrim:

FNIS

So that means SLF can be installed without XPMSE and it's not a requirement to make it load ingame,

BUT it won't work properly ingame without a body and animations to work with.

donttouchmethere · September 19, 2020

On 9/18/2020 at 8:22 PM, marcob3 said:

vortex

Grey Cloud tries to explain Vortex to me. I think I now understand your sorrows about conflict warnings generated by Vortex.

You can install mods with Vortex in any order, but you have to do conflict management after that (like with MO, just with less overview).

Install mod > do vortex file conflict management > ... sort your LO? (or do you do that too with conflict management?)

Basically you get a lot of conflict warnings with Vortex and you can play the gamble game:

"If in doubt as to which one to choose then go with Vortex's 'suggested' option. If that is wrong then you just go to the 'Manage Conflicts' button and change the rule."

My simple minded NMM rule:

Overwrite SLF with everything! Muhahahaha ?

marcob3 · September 20, 2020

13 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

Grey Cloud tries to explain Vortex to me. I think I now understand your sorrows about conflict warnings generated by Vortex.

You can install mods with Vortex in any order, but you have to do conflict management after that (like with MO, just with less overview).

Install mod > do vortex file conflict management > ... sort your LO? (or do you do that too with conflict management?)

Basically you get a lot of conflict warnings with Vortex and you can play the gamble game:

"If in doubt as to which one to choose then go with Vortex's 'suggested' option. If that is wrong then you just go to the 'Manage Conflicts' button and change the rule."

My simple minded NMM rule:

Overwrite SLF with everything! Muhahahaha ?

i can autosort, plus i have another istallation of loot for the conlfict, until is a double one is not too much trouble there is a detailed guide on youtube of over 9 videos, now i am starting fase 2.

marcob3 · September 21, 2020

I se here is suggested for followers, nether follower framework in never know about this mod. Is more loverslab set-up firendly than ufo? i know ufo is Far from perfect but whit the other i found miself even worse

worik · September 21, 2020

1 hour ago, marcob3 said:

I se here is suggested for followers, nether follower framework in never know about this mod. Is more loverslab set-up firendly than ufo? i know ufo is Far from perfect but whit the other i found miself even worse

Personally, I use iAFT and never had any issues with it.

As long as I keep it away from highly sophisticated followers like Vilja, Inigo or Sophia

marcob3 · October 2, 2020

On 9/21/2020 at 8:04 PM, worik said:

Personally, I use iAFT and never had any issues with it.

As long as I keep it away from highly sophisticated followers like Vilja, Inigo or Sophia

i played with nether framework for a bit, sure is less intuitive than ufo but if learned in the end make u life more easy than ufo

stumpy1975 · February 23, 2021

Would you recommend keeping with the older/separate DD Series as suggested your guide or is upgrading to DD v5 ok to use instead?

worik · March 31, 2021

On 2/23/2021 at 7:57 AM, stumpy1975 said:

Would you recommend keeping with the older/separate DD Series as suggested your guide or is upgrading to DD v5 ok to use instead?

I'm rebuilding my Skyrim in the next time. And that's bound to be the move to DD5 for me :classic_smile:

donttouchmethere · April 8, 2021

On 2/23/2021 at 7:57 AM, stumpy1975 said:

Would you recommend keeping with the older/separate DD Series as suggested your guide or is upgrading to DD v5 ok to use instead?

DD5 would need a new game. If you have a working LO with DD4 I recommend to keep it.

For DD5 I would create a DD5 specialized LO and add only mods that are updated for it. Also I wouldn't add NPC-NPC/NPC-Creature action mods - if those NPC are bound with DDs - to keep DD5 filter created SL scene oddities to a minimum.

worik · April 8, 2021

1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said:

DD5 would need a new game. If you have a working LO with DD4 I recommend to keep it.

I tried the shift in a test profile and it works with an ongoing game ✅ . But you have to prepare a rigid update plan, stick to it and have to know your way around file cleaning and TES5Edit.

Many steps, time consuming, tiresome, not fun, but possible.

Overall, I decided it's too much work for my main profile with my limited spare time and I will do it like you said.

1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said:

For DD5 I would create a DD5 specialized LO and add only mods that are updated for it.

stumpy1975 · June 20, 2021

I'm a little confused.. your saying 'More Nasty Critters v12' doesn't need the separate creature framework file anymore. Yet if I install it with NMM, loot says its missing the 'creature framework file' and what I can make out from the MNC page (which isn't very helpful at all).. you do need it.

Do you have to install it manually instead?

maxsteiner · July 17, 2021

This is brilliant. I would really like this as a PDF. You know, for posterity.

donttouchmethere · July 17, 2021

On 6/21/2021 at 12:01 AM, stumpy1975 said:

I'm a little confused.. your saying 'More Nasty Critters v12' doesn't need the separate creature framework file anymore. Yet if I install it with NMM, loot says its missing the 'creature framework file' and what I can make out from the MNC page (which isn't very helpful at all).. you do need it.

Do you have to install it manually instead?

Hi, you are right.

The MNC version > 12.* got the included creature framework (CF) removed and you will have to install a version of the creature framework yourself again.

Need to update my blog in that regard.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Short: yes you need to manually install a CF version in addition to MNC v12.+

donttouchmethere · July 17, 2021

7 hours ago, maxsteiner said:

This is brilliant. I would really like this as a PDF. You know, for posterity.

good idea, I'm overworking the blog offline atm (sooooooon)

donttouchmethere · July 17, 2021

On 4/8/2021 at 9:36 AM, worik said:

I tried the shift in a test profile and it works with an ongoing game ✅ . But you have to prepare a rigid update plan, stick to it and have to know your way around file cleaning and TES5Edit.

Many steps, time consuming, tiresome, not fun, but possible.

Overall, I decided it's too much work for my main profile with my limited spare time and I will do it like you said.

I will try DD5 too as soon as I get rid of that DD filter >.<

donttouchmethere · August 21, 2021

? Renovation work ?

Blog starts to get a bit dusty.

worik · August 22, 2021

:classic_ph34r: ?️ ? ?️

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donttouchmethere · August 22, 2021

48 minutes ago, worik said:

?️ ? ?️

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Did they ever finish something? ?

I always only see them building frameworks ?️

worik · August 22, 2021

8 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Did they ever finish something? ?

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donttouchmethere · August 24, 2021

Uhhhh, the formatting is a mess.

Still lots of ?

Need to listen to something that calms me down:

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