I didn't expected to be that dark ?

That was brutal chapter, I know it gonna be darker compared your previous works, but this was just as unexpected as Gwynolda's killing spree in the prison. ?

Well you not really play around, Tabrielle certainly got a rather terrible outcome, Uranach certainly a vile entity and he has an interesting quirk ?

You created a rather hateable antagonist, someone we want see meet a terrible fate, which means he does good job in his role, good job.

Well we had a fatal defeat, sexual assault, total humiliation, torture and even that one thing ?. 

Reach turned pretty bad place since Gwynolda left..

So I wonder when does Malicia come in the fray, riding Caramel and show the nightmare and the true terror to Uranach, the fear he never felt before.

Overall great work Tirloque, and wait 3 month for the next one ?

All right, LoversLab. Why didn't I get a notification of such an awesome story continuation?! ?  Good thing I was checking the blog section regardless.

That aside, I've got to ask: did you make a deal with one of the Daedric princes in exchange for those special effects? Because the work that you must've put into this is unbelievable. ? The spell casting and the tentacles of darkness were masterfully done.  It actually looked like it belonged in the game (which only added a more disturbing quality to it).  You even covered such small details as showing the effects of Thu'um's shout by moving boxes into the air. (by the way, the fact that you use accurate draconic language for the shouts is impressive by itself). And of course you kept true to your style and we got to see the amusing thought icons that your characters use in addition to words (the lightning bolt, the little cogwheels, etc).

The poses were as excellent as always, but special mention should go to the way you positioned Urunach in all of your shots. Whether he's casting, fighting, stabbing, and so on he always looks menacing. And the way that he talks to Tabrielle is very unsettling. It sounds like he's both taunting and teaching her at the same time.

I'll admit, I was expecting Tabrielle's defeat and rape (we are on LL after all). I most certainly did not expect beating, bone breaking and stabbing though. ? That was cruel, violent and really fitting for the story you're telling (the blood drop falling from Tabrielle's foot was a very nice touch - it really added to the misery and horror of the situation).  We do get to see a tiny twitch of her finger in the last shot, so there's hope that our heroine is still alive and will somehow be rescued, but unless something drastic (and magical) will happen, she is going to need a LOT of time to recover, both physically and mentally.

I'm curious, does Urunach answer to anyone or is he an undisputed ruler of the tribe? Madanach seems certain that he won't start killing everyone in his wake, but Urunach does not quite come off as a reasonable and well-adjusted person. ?

Wonderful work, Tirloque. Thank you for sharing it with us. And if it takes you another few months to publish the next chapter - it is certainly worth the wait! ?

OMG, the poses, the story, the effects...just perfect.  I'm sitting here now, in shock, listening to this Attack on Titan music wondering whats going to happen next.  I feels like I just watched the Red Wedding again for the first time... 

Great effects. I always knew that steel and iron can't fight magic if you do not have counter measures. As for me, if I would have a power I will do this to all rapists:

Than I will make them eat it. Fucking monsters. Yes, I'm upset.

Just as Residan's G. tabrielle needs some bikini zone shaving. I know that big bush keeps her pussy warm during the winter, but still, Skyrim people need to discover shaving.

One more thing: Stranger ask you why he hadn't chance to meet that blond angel before Malicija.  This blond cutie is gorgeous and more important - she is not redhead

'kay, seems I went overboard with my responses ; so I'ma put some spoilers over this. XD

RESDAYN

DEVIANNA

DJREGS

PRINCE

6 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

It's the first time I went that far with the effects, the correction, and the widened angle of the story. So if you were perfectly immersed, and felt shock or emotion with the events unfolding, that was precisely what I was going for. And Game of Thrones is a work I greatly admire, so being compared to it even remotely is the highest praise I could receive. Thanks DJregs !

Well, you earned it. 

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Either way, you're making me drink to numb this sense of loss I'm feeling .  
 

23 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

'kay, seems I went overboard with my responses ; so I'ma put some spoilers over this. XD

 

RESDAYN

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This is indeed a brutal chapter, in more than one aspects in my eyes. I was a bit afraid the contrast with Malicia's & Stranger's crossover, which is lighthearted as can be, would be too great ; to the point I hesitated adding a warning icon in the description.

 

And yeah, Urunach doesn't forget about you the moment you're defeated. Not only is he a formidable foe (out of Tabrielle's league in fact), but his rather polite language register hides some pure cruelty and anger, which controlled and thought-on aspects only make more dangerous.  He's remarkably close to a fully Neutral Evil alignment, to the point I was thinking Nora Karlov would've actually have felt like a quite reasonable and loving person in comparison. ^^

 

Yet even him isn't fully malevolent. Let's not forget that though his people did chose a violent path, they've still been oppressed by the Nords. And that even though they left no choice to our adventurers, Tabrielle still had to slay several of Urunach's rear guard men in order to reach him (without pun XD). He's of an unforgiving kind, but his acts, though excessively cruel, aren't without motive.

Glad you find him interesting as a contender, he's the one I developed the most so far, and this clearly was his chapter.

Every of the characters she named before going into nothingness could become an alternate narrator. And let's not forget that the primary goal of Tabrielle's sacrifice was to allow Benor to escape. He probably won't stand down after what happened.

 

Glad you liked the chapter, Resdayn !

Malicia :

 

 

 

I may not have sharingan eyes for all little detai you make, but lets say I was that shocked and suprised, I not really had a lot of words haha.

Out of my actual story characters only one have the same aligment and thats Eliza, and even she seems more resonable person, despite doing nothing just terrible things for chapters long, yeah Nora seems a fairly nice person compared this guy.

Your Uranach lowkey feels closer to the chaotic evil, but yeah this guys prob take the cake of the LL-s most evil antagonist haha discounting the local favorite Thalmor and Molag Bal.

Tex's Saren could be there too, but guy makes way too hillarious faces >.<

Resdayn's has eyes for this, cause antagonist writing is my favorite part of storytelling and they are most fun thing to me ❤️, and Im especially perceptive for other's work in that subject.

Im waiting Malicia to save her sister and use her magic slap to tell Uranach, not put his dirty ugly pp to girls without consent 

Don't make Gwynolda go there ?

1 hour ago, djregs said:

Well, you earned it. 

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In terms of the implementation here, you walked the line between Oberyn Martel's death and Jon Snow's death. 

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Actually, I read the fourth part quite some times to adjust the music (I went for something different at the start. And I must say that when I put this Hiroyuki Sawano Shingeki no Kyojin medley while reading, it moves me a bit even though I'm the author.  Specially considering how pure of heart Tabrielle is (basically, she sacrifices herself to make sure Benor escapes), and how utterly defeated she gets in this entry. Music really has an ability to draw out emotions, and I think the sync between the story and this masterpart from Sawano went quite well.

1 hour ago, Resdayn said:

I may not have sharingan eyes for all little detai you make, but lets say I was that shocked and suprised, I not really had a lot of words haha.

 

Out of my actual story characters only one have the same aligment and thats Eliza, and even she seems more resonable person, despite doing nothing just terrible things for chapters long, yeah Nora seems a fairly nice person compared this guy.

 

Your Uranach lowkey feels closer to the chaotic evil, but yeah this guys prob take the cake of the LL-s most evil antagonist haha discounting the local favorite Thalmor and Molag Bal.

 

Tex's Saren could be there too, but guy makes way too hillarious faces >.<

 

Resdayn's has eyes for this, cause antagonist writing is my favorite part of storytelling and they are most fun thing to me ❤️, and Im especially perceptive for other's work in that subject.

Yeah, you do put special attention towards antagonists. Eye of the expert we'll say.

As for Urunach being Chaotic Evil, in fact he still abide by the Forsworn religion, and still answered to the call of their righteous king. So his behavior, while certainly cruel, is not chaotic. The thing is if you are opposing/betraying his fight/cause, then no laws, rules of conventions will protect you from his fanaticism. There's also this little riddle he abides with before executing his prisoners. So for me he's rather Neutral Evil in fact : he doesn't necessarily wants to destroy rules and regulations, he just doesn't care about them.

Eliza feels a bit like Nora to me : she won't back down from some cruel violence, and possibly will enjoy it, but she won't venture too far ahead of what's necessary for her goals, and could show quite merciful behavior. Urunach seems more evil as his views are the one of a fanatic to begin with, and as he completely lost any ability of mercy. So while not as purely evil as a demon only wishing destruction, he hasn't shown a merciful side to compensate.

Thalmor guys are cruel, but in the end only want power and control. Which means they can be subdued, seduced an control. Saren is as well, but with an added lust dimension which would make him even easier to please, corrupt or predict.

The reason why Urunach is feared even among Forworns is that he can't be controlled/made more reasonable by any those ways. You just can't tame a fanatic.

1 hour ago, Resdayn said:

Im waiting Malicia to save her sister and use her magic slap to tell Uranach, not put his dirty ugly pp to girls without consent 

 

Don't make Gwynolda go there ?

I've been told that King Arthur (the true historic one) had some issues before getting used to raping as spoil of war. Those are war times, and being a rapist or a victor can be a matter of point of view in the eyes of some.

Evelynn should rather be the one not to go there, by the way. She has even more reasons than regulars Forsworn tribe leaders to want to avoid meeting Urunach at all costs. ^^

As for Malicia she's not precisely of the fighting type, and would probably use her magic to escape ASAP. ^^ The cruel irony of fate there, is that the most suited of the sisters to fight back against him... was Tabrielle herself. As Prince said, you don't fight magic with steel.

PS : I'd be interested in knowing if those of you having followed received a notification or not. Spy did also report having problems with those in his own blog, so the more precisely we'll define the issue, the better.

1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

Yeah, you do put special attention towards antagonists. Eye of the expert we'll say.

 

As for Urunach being Chaotic Evil, in fact he still abide by the Forsworn religion, and still answered to the call of their righteous king. So his behavior, while certainly cruel, is not chaotic. The thing is if you are opposing/betraying his fight/cause, then no laws, rules of conventions will protect you from his fanaticism. There's also this little riddle he abides with before executing his prisoners. So for me he's rather Neutral Evil in fact : he doesn't necessarily wants to destroy rules and regulations, he just doesn't care about them.

 

Eliza feels a bit like Nora to me : she won't back down from some cruel violence, and possibly will enjoy it, but she won't venture too far ahead of what's necessary for her goals, and could show quite merciful behavior. Urunach seems more evil as his views are the one of a fanatic to begin with, and as he completely lost any ability of mercy. So while not as purely evil as a demon only wishing destruction, he hasn't shown a merciful side to compensate.

 

 

Thalmor guys are cruel, but in the end only want power and control. Which means they can be subdued, seduced an control. Saren is as well, but with an added lust dimension which would make him even easier to please, corrupt or predict.

 

I guess thats true, he has more lawful side then following the religion and the orders of the king, but his cruelity and sadistic behavior makes him more chaotic, neutral in both hah.

But for me the chaotic aligment tend to ignore the rules to say, even he not want destroy them, he not really follow all of it ?

Tamriel not really has any laws against warcrimes or etc.. in general, and we talking about a primal society waging war against a opressing nordic kingdom, both side operate on dirty games.

I think big difference between Eliza and Nora is the fact Nora actually capable to care and love other's, in her past flashback she shown that she can care and feel genuine feelings toward anyone else then herself, Eliza on otherhand not really at all Gwynolda can tell a lot of that.

I don't think any of my introduced antagonist would go that far as Uranach, maybe Eliza in a few cases.

1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

The reason why Urunach is feared even among Forworns is that he can't be controlled/made more reasonable by any those ways. You just can't tame a fanatic.

I've been told that King Arthur (the true historic one) had some issues before getting used to raping as spoil of war. Those are war times, and being a rapist or a victor can be a matter of point of view in the eyes of some.

 

Evelynn should rather be the one not to go there, by the way. She has even more reasons than regulars Forsworn tribe leaders to want to avoid meeting Urunach at all costs. ^^

 

As for Malicia she's not precisely of the fighting type, and would probably use her magic to escape ASAP. ^^ The cruel irony of fate there, is that the most suited of the sisters to fight back against him... was Tabrielle herself. As Prince said, you don't fight magic with steel.

 

 

PS : I'd be interested in knowing if those of you having followed received a notification or not. Spy did also report having problems with those in his own blog, so the more precisely we'll define the issue, the better.

Yeah, I know how common rape is during war.

He is rather a double edged sword, someone who is more useful to make big loses to his enemies and die along with them, Evelynn would use him that way, rather bargain or deal with him.

She not necessary meet every leader of the forsworn, since her ambition and plans are far bigger in scale then those tribals think, if her gamble works out.

Seems Malicia was truly good match for him, interesting so Tabriella is more physical type of fighter then magical, in that case Uranach is someone we need a person with great arcane expertise.

In that case Gauis would be the perfect match, Evelynn maybe would a good match too, she is formidable arcane magican.

Gwynolda at her current state certainly not.

I not got notification too, I saw you posted in the blogs ection.

> Sorry Trilog, I couldn't post my like to this story no matter how excellently it was made. I HAAAAATE RAPING AND RAPISTS and will do the same to them as my Prince wrote.

Lovely. A dark tale.

3 hours ago, EvalovesEP said:

> Sorry Trilog, I couldn't post my like to this story no matter how excellently it was made. I HAAAAATE RAPING AND RAPISTS and will do the same to them as my Prince wrote.

I understand Eva. The rape part isn't an easy one ; yet I'm sorry but Tabrielle story is what it is, same than Serana, and so includes difficult scenes. I choose not to evade those, as to me they're part of the world my characters have to evolve in, part of what made them what they are, and part of what they fight against.

However, I'd like you to think about one thing : in your opinion, of the fiction who describes the rape as a trauma, and of the one that gets over it like nothing happened, which one is the more opposed to it ?

LL is a place of fantasy, where rapes are a quite common thing. So normal that both you and Prince clicked the like button (like everyone did) in stories despite them featuring rape (I have a precise example in mind which I just checked, but the example in question is not important), though the tone is lighthearted. It also happened in the first Chronicle of Malicija, where a rape happened, but it was described in an comical fashion that lessened a lot its violence. And now, you've got an entry describing one in all its violence, reminding it's not a normal thing, and you flame it. Interesting, isn't it ?

I saw on LL a thread where someone defended the point of view that rape was no big deal, that it was just sex, and that people being traumatized bu those we were just weak minded. Transcribing one, its violence, both physical and psychological, and the possibility of murder immediately following is part of my answer to that someone : a rape is a trauma. Sure in a fantasy world things can be different ; but in mine a rape is still a big deal. And IMO it's not a question of culture.

Anyway, you can reduce that chapter to a rape. Others could see a woman sacrificing herself so her beloved could make it. Either way it's violent so I understand it's not for everyone.

4 hours ago, Resdayn said:

I guess thats true, he has more lawful side then following the religion and the orders of the king, but his cruelity and sadistic behavior makes him more chaotic, neutral in both hah.

 

But for me the chaotic aligment tend to ignore the rules to say, even he not want destroy them, he not really follow all of it ?

IMO :

• Lawful : goes by the rules/laws and enforces order.
• Chaotic : goes against the rules/laws and tries to oppose/destroy order.
• Neutral : doesn't cares about rules/laws/order.

Always a pleasure to discuss about D&D alignments nonetheless.

4 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Tamriel not really has any laws against warcrimes or etc.. in general, and we talking about a primal society waging war against a opressing nordic kingdom, both side operate on dirty games.

War isn't a pretty thing ; regardless of the sides most of the time.

4 hours ago, Resdayn said:

I think big difference between Eliza and Nora is the fact Nora actually capable to care and love other's, in her past flashback she shown that she can care and feel genuine feelings toward anyone else then herself, Eliza on otherhand not really at all Gwynolda can tell a lot of that.

Nora has shown a certain degree of attachment, and some protectiveness towards people meaning something to her indeed. Eliza seems indeed purely selfish. But ultimately, if it comes down to her interests against those of her beloved, Nora also chose selfishness, as Eric Beauvais' case proved us. So Nora is a complex character, but still evil when it comes to it.

4 hours ago, Resdayn said:

I don't think any of my introduced antagonist would go that far as Uranach, maybe Eliza in a few cases.

You have to take in account that Tabrielle was the White-ash, and thus an icon of a heroe in service to the Nord people. Urunach probably wouldn't have gone that far if the absoluteness of his triumph couldn't simultaneously destroy the spirit of Markarth troops.

Though... he'd probably have done something cruel anyway.

4 hours ago, Resdayn said:

He is rather a double edged sword, someone who is more useful to make big loses to his enemies and die along with them, Evelynn would use him that way, rather bargain or deal with him.

 

She not necessary meet every leader of the forsworn, since her ambition and plans are far bigger in scale then those tribals think, if her gamble works out.

Urunach's plans are The Reach. That's big enough for him, he doesn't want more than what was the Reachmen homeland to begin with.

But indeed, you're exactly on point, he's a double edged sword. Evelynn would have a clever point of view on the matter. Though to manipulate him, she'd have to be in order with the Forsworn religion first. Only one person in that position could make that gamble. 

4 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Seems Malicia was truly good match for him, interesting so Tabriella is more physical type of fighter then magical, in that case Uranach is someone we need a person with great arcane expertise.

 

In that case Gauis would be the perfect match, Evelynn maybe would a good match too, she is formidable arcane magican.

 

Gwynolda at her current state certainly not.

Tabrielle is a spellsword, meaning she can use both the power of the arcanes and of the sword to fight him. But the problem is that the level she showed here, though remarkable, is one league under Urunach's.

Pure mages could fare better, but the problem would then be the exhaustion, as Benor & Tabrielle had to eliminate the rear guard, and Urunach's darkness spell has a draining effect over the opponents. "Spell" is too weak of a word to describe it considering the multitude of its effects btw, it's closer to a Fate/stay night reality marble, only without dimensional change. The fight against Evelynn would probably be one sided as Urunach's power is authentic, but Gauis could do an interesting opponent.

4 hours ago, Resdayn said:

I not got notification too, I saw you posted in the blogs ection.

Hmm. I wonder it working on it a a draft isn't what caused the problem then. ?

3 hours ago, worik said:

Lovely. A dark tale.

Well, dark is a word that describes it quite well. Both literally, and figuratively. ^^

Thanks for your praise, Worik.

1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

Both literally, and figuratively. ^^

Mortally wounded and left to die in a mysterious dungeon.... a common theme. Yet, always a thrill and bound to promise more tension.

And you all may forgive me my violent tendencies but I think @Elf Prince is still going to soft and empathic about this Urunach ?

Death would be a gift not a punishment for him.

5 minutes ago, worik said:

Mortally wounded and left to die in a mysterious dungeon.... a common theme. Yet, always a thrill and bound to promise more tension.

Like all cliffhangers I guess. ^^

5 minutes ago, worik said:

And you all may forgive me my violent tendencies but I think @Elf Prince is still going to soft and empathic about this Urunach ?

Death would be a gift not a punishment for him.

Then I made him hateable alright #ResdaynAntagonistQualityCheck✔️ ^^

I guess except for his tribe, there are a lot of people who'd like to see him kick the bucket.

Yet the problem is the way. So at the moment, Urunach is the gift giver.

7 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

Then I made him hateable alright #ResdaynAntagonistQualityCheck✔️ ^^

✅ Drama check accomplished

8 hours ago, Tirloque said:

PS : I'd be interested in knowing if those of you having followed received a notification or not. Spy did also report having problems with those in his own blog, so the more precisely we'll define the issue, the better.

I received no notification.   

3 hours ago, Tirloque said:

 

Nora has shown a certain degree of attachment, and some protectiveness towards people meaning something to her indeed. Eliza seems indeed purely selfish. But ultimately, if it comes down to her interests against those of her beloved, Nora also chose selfishness, as Eric Beauvais' case proved us. So Nora is a complex character, but still evil when it comes to it.
Urunach's plans are The Reach. That's big enough for him, he doesn't want more than what was the Reachmen homeland to begin with.
 

Eliza has narcistic personality disorder, so she not really gonna choose anyone else then herself, her world is limited to herself and everyone else who is not her ?

If it wasn't for fanatic and crazy attitude, this guy would make Evelynn won easily, but he is too unhinged to be a good ally, more like an out of necessary guy, who rather kill nords then us.

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You have to take in account that Tabrielle was the White-ash, and thus an icon of a heroe in service to the Nord people. Urunach probably wouldn't have gone that far if the absoluteness of his triumph couldn't simultaneously destroy the spirit of Markarth troops.

 

Though... he'd probably have done something cruel anyway.

Destroying the image of hope? huh, interesting and effective.

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But indeed, you're exactly on point, he's a double edged sword. Evelynn would have a clever point of view on the matter. Though to manipulate him, she'd have to be in order with the Forsworn religion first. Only one person in that position could make that gamble. 

Honestly, she said not really told who she worship, she been called the old gods in the story to guide her, and identify as a reachmen, she knows as the ancient witch queen reborn rather then herself.

Madanach would favor her way of thinking and plans then our useful yet dangerous weapon Uranach.

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Tabrielle is a spellsword, meaning she can use both the power of the arcanes and of the sword to fight him. But the problem is that the level she showed here, though remarkable, is one league under Urunach's.

 

Pure mages could fare better, but the problem would then be the exhaustion, as Benor & Tabrielle had to eliminate the rear guard, and Urunach's darkness spell has a draining effect over the opponents. "Spell" is too weak of a word to describe it considering the multitude of its effects btw, it's closer to a Fate/stay night reality marble, only without dimensional change. The fight against Evelynn would probably be one sided as Urunach's power is authentic, but Gauis could do an interesting opponent.

 

Tabrielle certainly formidable warrior and magican, combining the two is hard thing, seems Uranach magically more powerful then her, and Malicia's skills seems good fit to escape, hmmm. ?

Depends what kind of pure mage we talking, cause they are in various different levels, have different magic schools and versatility, while spellblade more focusing on melee compatible and helping magics. 

If this thing drain magics, then obviously works better on weaker magicans then the user, if he get someone who has more levesl above him, effects probably slower and weaker.

Evelynn magical powers ain't something should taken lightly, But these two chars would be allies, not the best ones, but they would ally not fight, Evelynn is deceiver and cunning person, she would not fight honorably and see other methods to deal with the situation.

Gauis is more complicated enemy, interesting match, but expecting him going to the trap and fight face with Uranach, may not really end up that way, if he can just destroy the mine, sacrifices been made and Uranach not famous of keeping prisoners, merely use spell to make the mine crumble without worrying loss of miners, even with with the captives living, he would not really care.

2 hours ago, djregs said:

I received no notification.   

It looks like none was sent. I wonder if this is random or related to the fact I started working on this entry as a stub. ?

Another thing that doesn't help getting audience.

I've got an idea, warn me if you receive a notification. 

2 hours ago, worik said:

✅ Drama check accomplished

Indeed. ^^

2 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Eliza has narcistic personality disorder, so she not really gonna choose anyone else then herself, her world is limited to herself and everyone else who is not her ?

 

If it wasn't for fanatic and crazy attitude, this guy would make Evelynn won easily, but he is too unhinged to be a good ally, more like an out of necessary guy, who rather kill nords then us.

Yep.

2 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Destroying the image of hope? huh, interesting and effective.

That was indeed taken in consideration. Tabrielle was carried over his shoulder. Talk about some victory march...

2 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Honestly, she said not really told who she worship, she been called the old gods in the story to guide her, and identify as a reachmen, she knows as the ancient witch queen reborn rather then herself.

 

Madanach would favor her way of thinking and plans then our useful yet dangerous weapon Uranach.

Considering the guy is famed for having dismembered some tribe leaders for trying to lessen the place of the witches and shamans to their own advantage... I don't think that someone who's half nord, served as court wizard of Markath, tortured hargravens and lied over her true identity to be even remotely approached by Urunach. Specially considering that while the leaders fear him, the Forsworn mob is mesmerized by the strong and uncorrupted image he gives. It would be a good way to get your own subjects suddenly turn against you. So for most tribe leaders, the farther from them he is, the better. ^^

Everlynn's perception is rather good on the subject though. And it's not impossible Madanach shares the same point of view over Urunach ; the difference being he knows he hasn't nothing to fear from him.

2 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Tabrielle certainly formidable warrior and magican, combining the two is hard thing, seems Uranach magically more powerful then her, and Malicia's skills seems good fit to escape, hmmm. ?

 

Depends what kind of pure mage we talking, cause they are in various different levels, have different magic schools and versatility, while spellblade more focusing on melee compatible and helping magics.

What's been shown here is a Tabrielle able to fight opponents by packs of two or three melee-wise, and to dish enough magic power to battle against tough opponents such as Malkoran. Problem being that Urunach doesn't seems to tire easily when fighting that way. Add to that her Thu'um and she is reaching heroic caliber, but in the end it does not seems she even scratched him, nor that he spent that much power fighting her. She overcame two threats of the darkness marble, and succumbed to the third one. That shows that there are opponents above that heroic level, and that fighting Urunach isn't a mere question of power. There she hasn't the keys to even start fighting back.

2 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Evelynn magical powers ain't something should taken lightly, But these two chars would be allies, not the best ones, but they would ally not fight, Evelynn is deceiver and cunning person, she would not fight honorably and see other methods to deal with the situation.

If the true Witch-Queen got dispatched that easily by Gauis, I don't think the fake one is an indicated opponent. The way I see her she is indeed more dangerous by her plotting aspect, but nothing says she'd fare better than Tabrielle in a frontal fight.

2 hours ago, Resdayn said:

If this thing drain magics, then obviously works better on weaker magicans then the user, if he get someone who has more levesl above him, effects probably slower and weaker.

Well it's rather of a constant drain, as you need to keep a lightsource to keep the arms away, and this is more draining than the usual in the marble. But indeed, the more powerful the opponent, the more time it would take, but that effect is purely related to their amount of magicka and rate of usage; not to some skill gap towards Urunach. Which level seems to be significantly above regular heroes, so he could be quite well rounded in terms of raw power.

2 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Gauis is more complicated enemy, interesting match, but expecting him going to the trap and fight face with Uranach, may not really end up that way, if he can just destroy the mine, sacrifices been made and Uranach not famous of keeping prisoners, merely use spell to make the mine crumble without worrying loss of miners, even with with the captives living, he would not really care.

That the start of an interesting idea. But what if crumbling the entrance isn't enough ? And what if the marble isn't related to the mine itself ? And to start having ideas like that, one should have fought Urunach beforehand. There are no more captives in the mine btw. Just a whole Forsworn army around, Tabrielle and Benor bypassed that one as if was out, but that might not be doable several times in a row.

13 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

 

Considering the guy is famed for having dismembered some tribe leaders for trying to lessen the place of the witches and shamans to their own advantage ; I don't think that someone who served as court wizard of Markath, tortured hargravens and lied over her true identity to be even remotely approached by Urunach. Specially considering that while the leaders fear him, the Forsworn mob is mesmerized by the strong and uncorrupted image he gives. It would be a good way to get your own subjects suddenly turn against you. So for most tribe leaders, the farther from them he is, the better. ^^

 

Everlynn's perception is rather good on the subject though. And it's not impossible Madanach shares the same point of view over Urunach ; the difference being he knows he hasn't nothing to fear from him.

 

Technicly she still rightful heir of the Witch Queen, after its her own mother, and her subjects thought Evelynn is Driada, she played around and they already thought her plans are in action, Evelynn probably needed to prove herself otherwise, She has the sword of red eagle which not killed her or drained her powers, and she own the crown as well as worthy symbol of the forworns.

Her mother was a monster, she might started as a hagraven who gave up the body and got better ones in her time, who knows that, maybe Uranach haha.

She not really need meet personally with the leaders, there are envoys, bonehawks and magical creatures or the hagravens who loyal to her, she still has Hetta.

Defacto Leader is still Madanach of the alliance, who knows what he plots with Evelynn, he can vouch her and made her the military leader ?

14 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

 

 

If the true Witch-Queen got dispatched that easily by Gauis, I don't think the fake one is an indicated opponent. The way I see her she is indeed more dangerous by her plotting aspect, but nothing says she'd fare better than Tabrielle in a frontal fight.

 

Well thats more of Gauis feats then anything, he could easily dispatch an ancient body snatcher witch abomination, She just faced the worst opponent to her skills and magic.

Each body the Witch Queen got stronger, but being ancient and old may not necessary made Driada imporve as much she wanted.

Evelynn is got the most out of her body and has access of her mother's tools.

Also why would Evelynn fight head to head? She not famous of being honourable, and he is useful as her originally planned nightmare.

15 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

 

What's been shown here is a Tabrielle able to fight opponents by packs of two or three melee-wise, and to dish enough magic power to battle against tough opponents such as Malkoran. Problem being that Urunach doesn't seems to tire easily when fighting that way. Add to that her Thu'um and she is reaching heroic caliber, but in the end it does not seems she even scratched him, nor that he spent that much power fighting her. She overcame two threats of the darkness marble, and succumbed to the third one. That shows that there are opponents above that heroic level, and that fighting Urunach isn't a mere question of power. There she hasn't the keys to even start fighting back.

 

Well it's rather of a constant drain, as you need to keep a lightsource to keep the arms away, and this is more draining than the usual in the marble. But indeed, the more powerful the opponent, the more time it would take, but that effect is purely related to their amount of magicka and rate of usage; not to some skill gap towards Urunach. Which level seems to be significantly above regular heroes, so he's rather well rounded in terms of raw power.

 

That the start of an interesting idea. But what if crumbling the entrance isn't enough ? And what if the marble isn't related to the mine itself ? And to start having ideas like that, one should have fought Urunach beforehand. There are no more captives in the mine btw. Just a whole Forsworn army around, Tabrielle and Benor bypassed that one as if was out, but that might not be doable several times in a row.

 

 

There are a few things to consider alone a fact he is an Briar heart, he has a few weakness to say, worth nothing he is probably an undead.

1. His heart.

2. Being undead makes him weak to fire and holy magic.

3. Potentionally powerful necromancers can bend his will due being undead creature.

4. Figuring out his secret tricks of course the big key of defeat.

In that case, Uranach would have more issues with someone powerful in magic, question does his effects can be dispeled? Does Magic Resistance works against it, as well magic absorption, damage reflect and various magics?

Also if his powers rely on draining others power, I presume the same works as him as well.

In Gauis case, he probably would sent out scouts with magic detection and sights to analise the situation, they probably die against the forsworn and Uranach, but he can guess the results, then from out side on just entering, he can cast spells what result crumble, if just the army there with the scouts, he can sacrifice the scouts and kill the army with the crumbled mine, he has enough destructive power to make a mine crumble, magic is siege weapon itself after all.

In the actual fight scenario, I fear would be too spoilery of Gauis combat skills, especially when he has the coming next chapter.

1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

It looks like none was sent. I wonder if this is random or related to the fact I started working on this entry as a stub. ?

 

Another thing that doesn't help getting audience.

 

I've got an idea, warn me if you receive a notification. 

One was received, and when I followed it, the page was unlocatable.  So I think it worked whatever you did?  

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10 hours ago, EvalovesEP said:

> Sorry Trilog, I couldn't post my like to this story no matter how excellently it was made. I HAAAAATE RAPING AND RAPISTS and will do the same to them as my Prince wrote.

I understand Eva. The rape part isn't an easy one ; yet I'm sorry but Tabrielle story is what it is, same than Serana, and so includes difficult scenes. I choose not to evade those, as to me they're part of the world my characters have to evolve in, part of what made them what they are, and part of what they fight against.

 

However, I'd like you to think about one thing : in your opinion, of the fiction who describes the rape as a trauma, and of the one that gets over it like nothing happened, which one is the more opposed to it ?

LL is a place of fantasy, where rapes are a quite common thing. So normal that both you and Prince clicked the like button (like everyone did) in stories despite them featuring rape (I have a precise example in mind which I just checked, but the example in question is not important), though the tone is lighthearted. It also happened in the first Chronicle of Malicija, where a rape happened, but it was described in an comical fashion that lessened a lot its violence. And now, you've got an entry describing one in all its violence, reminding it's not a normal thing, and you flame it. Interesting, isn't it ?

 

I saw on LL a thread where someone defended the point of view that rape was no big deal, that it was just sex, and that people being traumatized bu those we were just weak minded. Transcribing one, its violence, both physical and psychological, and the possibility of murder immediately following is part of my answer to that someone : a rape is a trauma. Sure in a fantasy world things can be different ; but in mine a rape is still a big deal. And IMO it's not a question of culture.

 

> I'm very aware that rape and bestiality is very popular on LL.  But let me tell you something about your comment that my Prince and I posted likes on somebody else's blog entries that contained rape. We did it ONLY when the rapist was killed of heavily punished in the episode. And, yes, we posted our likes to some raping contents earlier, before my Prince was raped. Since than, we started to hate such stories. unless the rapist was punished. We are not hypocrites. You could see the way my Prince changed his story direction when he was playing Skyrim. He posted several entries with bestiality sex, but later on, he stopped. We don't know the reason, but he said to my ivy that she can use his wood elf only if there will be no bestiality sex in her stories. As for her and her character, she can do whatever she wants. Fictional or not, raping is immoral. If someone enjoy in sexual fantasies as rapist or being raped, it their own thing. I wouldn't say anything against it. I think you know my attitude about this and you were little bit hurt with my reaction. It wasn't directed toward your story but toward the raping act. You must understand one more thing. In our country raping increased enormously because punishment are light or there is none. That's why women in our country rose their voices demanding heavier punishments for rapists.

> My Ivy and I raped my Prince twice. We didn't rape him in the way Tina and her lover did it: wildly fucking his ass. No, he fucked us but we forced him to do it. In one case we hurt him and the other case it was more rough sex than raping. I can't tell you how much we regret it. We were angry at ourselves and we'll never do it again. Therefore any public saying, exposing, picturing and similar shit about raping is disgusting. YES, you posted the warning about violet content of your story and I appreciate it. I could be silent after watching the entry, but I had to rise my voice against raping as such, bot against your story. I believed that I as your virtual friend can be open with you as you are with me.

> Yes, I would accept to be raped if it will save my family, just as my Prince accepted to be sex toy to Tina and her lover to save my job and carrier. He didn't know he will be raped and humiliated, but I'm million time sure that he will accept it even if he would know it, because he loves me. But, the rapist will be heavily punished. he will regret the day he wa born.

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I saw on LL a thread where someone defended the point of view that rape was no big deal, that it was just sex, and that people being traumatized bu those we were just weak minded.

> The person who said that is mentally disturbed and sick and needs professional help. He should live locked away from society. Fucking sick bastard!

11 hours ago, djregs said:

One was received, and when I followed it, the page was unlocatable.  So I think it worked whatever you did?  

Good. I didn't see the point in having blog followers if they're not even informed of new entries.

As for what I did, it just created a dummy entry published right off the bat ; and deleted it two minutes later. Dunno if that will impact on the audience, but at least the 42 people wanting to be notified about new entries will be. 

I also found a work-around about the follow-entry bug ; but I'll post it in the library a bit later.

9 hours ago, EvalovesEP said:

> I'm very aware that rape and bestiality is very popular on LL.  But let me tell you something about your comment that my Prince and I posted likes on somebody else's blog entries that contained rape. We did it ONLY when the rapist was killed of heavily punished in the episode.

That is not the case. The episode I'm referring to is from May from this year, and the rapist didn't receive any punishment whatsoever. I don't see a point in linking you the story though because rape is such a common thing on LL that I don't see the use in doing so, and because the point isn't to guilty the authors featuring it in their fictions (I am part of them to begin with). But you know what you did read and should be able to find it out by yourself. 

But that's not the point.

What I'm trying to say to you, it's that for once that there is an entry reminding us a rape is something horrible, you flame it ; whereas you did put likes like anyone else did on entries where rape is treated like it's no big deal.

9 hours ago, EvalovesEP said:

>  Fictional or not, raping is immoral. If someone enjoy in sexual fantasies as rapist or being raped, it their own thing. I wouldn't say anything against it. I think you know my attitude about this and you were little bit hurt with my reaction. It wasn't directed toward your story but toward the raping act. You must understand one more thing. In our country raping increased enormously because punishment are light or there is none. That's why women in our country rose their voices demanding heavier punishments for rapists.

 

> My Ivy and I raped my Prince twice. We didn't rape him in the way Tina and her lover did it: wildly fucking his ass. No, he fucked us but we forced him to do it. In one case we hurt him and the other case it was more rough sex than raping. I can't tell you how much we regret it. We were angry at ourselves and we'll never do it again. Therefore any public saying, exposing, picturing and similar shit about raping is disgusting. YES, you posted the warning about violet content of your story and I appreciate it. I could be silent after watching the entry, but I had to rise my voice against raping as such, bot against your story. I believed that I as your virtual friend can be open with you as you are with me.

I understand that you're coming from a place were you have every reason to behave like you do. So I don't resent you from it.

9 hours ago, EvalovesEP said:

> The person who said that is mentally disturbed and sick and needs professional help. He should live locked away from society. Fucking sick bastard!

I think that person mostly lack of empathy, and never witnessed the consequences of a rape over a real person. Or never tried to imagine them as a matter of fact.

11 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Technicly she still rightful heir of the Witch Queen, after its her own mother, and her subjects thought Evelynn is Driada, she played around and they already thought her plans are in action, Evelynn probably needed to prove herself otherwise, She has the sword of red eagle which not killed her or drained her powers, and she own the crown as well as worthy symbol of the forworns.

 

Her mother was a monster, she might started as a hagraven who gave up the body and got better ones in her time, who knows that, maybe Uranach haha.

 

She not really need meet personally with the leaders, there are envoys, bonehawks and magical creatures or the hagravens who loyal to her, she still has Hetta.

 

Defacto Leader is still Madanach of the alliance, who knows what he plots with Evelynn, he can vouch her and made her the military leader ?

There are adventurers who found Red Eagle's sword without consequences either.

Anyway, being a Hargraven isn't seen as a bad thing among Forworn, they do have respect for them. Having killed the ones affiliated with the tribes however, would probably very heavy of consequences even without Urunach being implied, if the mob found out. Better not meet him indeed. IMO she already took an immense risk confessing the truth to Gwynolda.

11 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Well thats more of Gauis feats then anything, he could easily dispatch an ancient body snatcher witch abomination, She just faced the worst opponent to her skills and magic.

 

Each body the Witch Queen got stronger, but being ancient and old may not necessary made Driada imporve as much she wanted.

 

Evelynn is got the most out of her body and has access of her mother's tools.

She has most potential due to a part of inheritance from her mother. But I'd consider she isn't that old as a wizard, and so I don't see how she could be more experienced than the real Driada. 

11 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Also why would Evelynn fight head to head? She not famous of being honourable, and he is useful as her originally planned nightmare.

An excellent point indeed. She has no reason to.

11 hours ago, Resdayn said:

There are a few things to consider alone a fact he is an Briar heart, he has a few weakness to say, worth nothing he is probably an undead.

1. His heart.

2. Being undead makes him weak to fire and holy magic.

3. Potentionally powerful necromancers can bend his will due being undead creature.

4. Figuring out his secret tricks of course the big key of defeat.

The fourth point is indeed crucial, though Urunach not being a fool he's unlikely to place himself willingly in a situation where this could be usable.

However, the points two and three may be non applicable, as surprinsingly Briarheart aren't considered as fully undead ; but rather living with a different kind of nature energy. They do not appear on detect undead spells for example. His heart would definitely be a weak spot that being said, but that comes back to the main point, which is to manage to strike him in the first place ; and would regard more Spellswords than pure Battlemages.

11 hours ago, Resdayn said:

In that case, Uranach would have more issues with someone powerful in magic, question does his effects can be dispeled? Does Magic Resistance works against it, as well magic absorption, damage reflect and various magics?

It's not usual magic, but rather an ancient one reality marble. I do believe only unbelievably powerful semi-gods/millennia skilled individuals could dispel that from the inside, such as the Tribunal when still assisted with Lorkhan's heart, some Daedric princes, possibly Divayth Fyr, and one more character which I will not reveal yet. None of those characters are either active nor really interested in such petty mortal conflicts to begin with. Trying to dispel it without fully knowing what one's doing could result in failure and immediate complete exhaustion of the attempting mage ; so for nearly everyone it's better to accept the draining effect (which isn't that fast if you don't exhaust yourself with other spells).

But... there are other ways. And I won't spoil more about his darkness marble at the moment.

11 hours ago, Resdayn said:

In Gauis case, he probably would sent out scouts with magic detection and sights to analise the situation, they probably die against the forsworn and Uranach, but he can guess the results, then from out side on just entering, he can cast spells what result crumble, if just the army there with the scouts, he can sacrifice the scouts and kill the army with the crumbled mine, he has enough destructive power to make a mine crumble, magic is siege weapon itself after all.

 

In the actual fight scenario, I fear would be too spoilery of Gauis combat skills, especially when he has the coming next chapter.

The scouts will die, and the contact with the detection spells will be lost once inside the marble. Casting them from the inside could be an idea for mages above heroic level, but it comes down to discovering all the other drawbacks from the inside as well. The point is Urunach could be a deadly threat to nearly anyone if fought on his grounds. Unless you're on that semi-divine level, you'd have to figure out some of the key aspect of his sorcery to even have a chance, something truly difficult before having fought him before hand, or having met someone who did. He's both a riddle and a challenge at the same time.

Well see it in 3 months later in the next chapter to see what happens, ?

Thanks for the discussion Tirloque ❤️

@Tirloque

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That is not the case. The episode I'm referring to is from May from this year, and the rapist didn't receive any punishment whatsoever. I don't see a point in linking you the story though because rape is such a common thing on LL that I don't see the use in doing so, and because the point isn't to guilty the authors featuring it in their fictions (I am part of them to begin with). But you know what you did read and should be able to find it out by yourself. 

 

But that's not the point.

 

What I'm trying to say to you, it's that for once that there is an entry reminding us a rape is something horrible, you flame it ; whereas you did put likes like anyone else did on entries where rape is treated like it's no big deal.

> I understand your point, but it looks like you don't understand mine. Since last our (my Prince's and mine) posting likes on the raping story many things change. First, when we posted those likes, it was for something else in the story that deserved the like , but we said that we didn't like the rape in the story. Anyhow, what we did in the past regarding this topic doesn't exist any more. Since all kind of violence increased in our country, especially robing and raping we became more stricter about it. We changed since May. We changed since month ago. We changed since last week .... You see what I'm talking about ...... Seeing how easily and quickly rapists getting out of the jail or have been lightly punished, we were very frustrated, especially me. The event that happened just three days ago with raped girl previously heavily beaten and the released rapist, lower my level of tolerance toward raping. Your last story came in "wrong moment" when I was still under strong emotional stress and it simply "overflew the glass". I'm not blaming you, I'm not attacking you, I'm not against your creativity and so on and so on. Listen, my friend, I'm sorry if I was a drama queen. I assure you it won't happen again. I will simply keep my mouth shut and respect the warning.

> By the way, Tabrielle is your most beautiful girl for me too.

1 hour ago, EvalovesEP said:

@Tirloque

> I understand your point, but it looks like you don't understand mine. Since last our (my Prince's and mine) posting likes on the raping story many things change. First, when we posted those likes, it was for something else in the story that deserved the like , but we said that we didn't like the rape in the story. Anyhow, what we did in the past regarding this topic doesn't exist any more. Since all kind of violence increased in our country, especially robing and raping we became more stricter about it. We changed since May. We changed since month ago. We changed since last week .... You see what I'm talking about ...... Seeing how easily and quickly rapists getting out of the jail or have been lightly punished, we were very frustrated, especially me. The event that happened just three days ago with raped girl previously heavily beaten and the released rapist, lower my level of tolerance toward raping. Your last story came in "wrong moment" when I was still under strong emotional stress and it simply "overflew the glass". I'm not blaming you, I'm not attacking you, I'm not against your creativity and so on and so on. Listen, my friend, I'm sorry if I was a drama queen. I assure you it won't happen again. I will simply keep my mouth shut and respect the warning.

On the contrary, Eva. I chose to show what was shown on this entry to remind to readers what a rape really feels like for the victim. So the more it shocks, the more it creates reactions, the better ; even if those reactions are negative. Your reaction is a reminder that IRL the problem is far from being solved. So please, do not keep your mouth shut. You widen our point of view with those.

In other words : thank you for overreacting ; it brought interesting points to the discussion.

1 hour ago, EvalovesEP said:

> By the way, Tabrielle is your most beautiful girl for me too.

As I said that would be a surprise to her, as she consider herself as disfigured by her scar, and far from an ideal woman to begin with. And to me 'cause I deliberately created the flaws of her face according to my own.

However, I also think that it's been a quite long time since I featured Cecilde, and my screenarchery has improved since her chronicles. But it's true that while I consider that Cecilde is more voluptuous, Prince and you have shown a preference toward slimmer females, and Tabrielle is the second slimmer of the four sisters. But if we exclude the redheads, she's the slimmest ; so I think I now know why Prince and you appreciate her more. 

Anyway, thanks for the compliment.