Modding Advice - Freeze/Stutter Crash

[Clockwork161]

Greetings,

As the title states, I'm having a bit of an issue. I was having some good ol fun, running around Riften, when I decided "I'm gonna go visit the Bee and Barb Inn". On arrival inside the inn, I started walking. Keerava, she did her whole "If you've got the coin, you're welcome here. Otherwise, hit the road." spiel, but immediately after, it freezes.

When it froze though, it kept stuttering between a pair of frames. It wasn't truly frozen, but instead just looping a pair of frames. I hit ESC to see if a menu would fix it, and I heard the noise of the options menu opening, without it popping up. The stuttering grew in speed, becoming near seizure-inducing. I attempted to ALT-TAB, which somehow worked, despite the crashing. I ALT-TABbed back into the game, and it was unfrozen. Good, right?

I proceeded to exit the Bee and Barb inn, declaring it a no-go place if I don't like crashing. When I exited however, I experienced a CTD right after exiting the building, after the loading screen. Riften did not crash me otherwise, so why then?

This is where I ask you guys for assistance. I fear there may be something up with my load order that is causing the crashing, and I am assuming that using LOOT to sort the load order is a bad idea. What would you recommend I do to solve this crashing issue, as it is not the first time it occurred.

Load Order (As exported by NMM):

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1
Falskaar.esm=1
SPERG.esm=1
RaceCompatibility.esm=1
SexLab.esm=1
SexLabAroused.esm=1
Devious Devices - Assets.esm=1
ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1
Devious Devices - Integration.esm=1
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1
ApachiiHairMales.esm=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1
CreatureFramework.esm=1
HighResTexturePack01.esp=1
HighResTexturePack02.esp=1
HighResTexturePack03.esp=1
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp=1
AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp=1
RingsOfPower.esp=1
Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp=1
KS_beastHairlite_27.esp=1
KS Hairdo's.esp=1
Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp=1
SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Light.esp=1
Immersive Weapons.esp=1
SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp=1
SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1
sanguinesDebauchery.esp=1
SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp=1
SimpleSlavery.esp=1
SkyfallEstateBuildable.esp=1
SexLab-Parasites.esp=1
SexLab_Dialogues.esp=1
HentaiCreatures.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreatures.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp=1
Missives.esp=1
DarkwaterDen.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp=1
SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp=1
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp=1
ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp=1
ArgonianAnshir.esp=1
Dr_Bandolier.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
SPERG.esp=1
SPERG-DB.esp=1
SPERG-DG.esp=1
Vivid Weathers.esp=1
Vivid Weathers - Falskaar.esp=1
Vivid Weathers - Extended Snow.esp=1
Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp=1
Worlds Dawn.esp=1
XPMSE.esp=1
SOSRaceMenu.esp=1
FNIS.esp=1
UIExtensions.esp=1
AddItemMenu2.esp=1
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1
Skill Config.esp=1
Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp=1
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp=1
ZedUnlimitedWeaponEnchant.esp=1
OverflowingEnchant.esp=1
Unique Uniques.esp=1
Perk Point Awards.esp=1
Conjuration Pack I.esp=1
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp=1
KCEIvoryHunter.esp=1
LostLongSwords.esp=1
The Huntsman.esp=1
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1
DragonCarvedArmorSet.esp=1
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1
dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp=1
dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp=1
ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp=1
TheCoenaculiUNP.esp=1
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1
Golden Rings Of Craft.esp=1
UnderTheInfluenceV_1.4.esp=1
Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp=1
Unlimited Jewelry For Dawngurad & Dragonborn.esp=1
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp=1
FS_NamelessLight.esp=1
LostGrimoire.esp=1
DragonBornCircletsComplete.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp=1
dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp=0
WildHuntress.esp=1
SexLabMatchMaker.esp=1
SexLabTools.esp=1
SexLab Cumshot.esp=1
SexLabDefeat.esp=1
FloppySOS.esp=1
Devious Deviants.esp=1
Simple Slavery Defeat.esp=1
RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp=1
ExtraPocket.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1
BDSkimpyClothes.esp=1
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp=1
Sexy Armor Replacer Patch.esp=1
SOS - Revealing Armors.esp=1
dc-untamed-000.esp=1
zzEstrus.esp=1
EstrusChaurus.esp=1
HornyDragons.esp=1
MoreNastyCritters.esp=1
SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp=1
YiffyAgeConsolidated.esp=1
YiffyAgeHairPatch.esp=1
SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp=1
SLAnimLoader.esp=1
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
Footprints.esp=1

I know there is a lot of mods there. If anybody knows a solution to this problem, please let me know.
 

[Stiffon]

A few observations to try 1st. 

Switch the unofficial patches to the USLEEP one.  Those are no longer supported and most modders have switched to usleep.

Do you have 'Load Game CTD Fix' AND 'Crash Fixes v12' - both available on Nexus.

De-activate 'zzEstrus.esp' - the esp is not needed for EC+ and it is buggy and outdated.

Install a bashed patch.

Do you have the skeleton last in your load order?  Do you have a custom race/skeleton?

 

Hope you can sort it out.

[KoolHndLuke]

Wish I could point at something and say "that's it!" but it looks like tweak and test for you. Like Stiffon says, include USLEEP and bashed patch. You have to test a load order of mods some before getting into the game. I just grab a fast horse and run from town to town, fighting, fucking, fast traveling, waiting and others before I commit.

[Clockwork161]

A few observations to try 1st. 

Switch the unofficial patches to the USLEEP one.  Those are no longer supported and most modders have switched to usleep.

Do you have 'Load Game CTD Fix' AND 'Crash Fixes v12' - both available on Nexus.

De-activate 'zzEstrus.esp' - the esp is not needed for EC+ and it is buggy and outdated.

Install a bashed patch.

Do you have the skeleton last in your load order?  Do you have a custom race/skeleton?

 

Hope you can sort it out.

 

This sounds like a great help. I will answer as best as I can:

 

I'm switching to USLEEP now. I had thought you needed the legendary edition to use it, but I had the normal + 3 dlcs, which caused mods like "Cutting Room Floor" to react badly.

 

I did not. Thank you for pointing those out to me.

 

zzEstrus.esp has been deactivated.

 

I have no idea how to install a bashed patch. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that's wyre bash? I never really understood that program.

 

The skeleton, XPSME, is one of the last mods in the load order. I use UUNP Special from Bodyslide for females, and SOS skeleton for males. I also have a few custom races, like Lykaos, installed.

 

Attached is the new load order:

 

GameMode=Skyrim

 

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp=1

Falskaar.esm=1

SPERG.esm=1

RaceCompatibility.esm=1

SexLab.esm=1

SexLabAroused.esm=1

Devious Devices - Assets.esm=1

ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1

Devious Devices - Integration.esm=1

Devious Devices - Expansion.esm=1

ApachiiHair.esm=1

ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1

ApachiiHairMales.esm=1

Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1

CreatureFramework.esm=1

dcc-soulgem-oven-000.esm=1

HighResTexturePack01.esp=1

HighResTexturePack02.esp=1

HighResTexturePack03.esp=1

AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp=1

RingsOfPower.esp=1

Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp=1

KS_beastHairlite_27.esp=1

KS Hairdo's.esp=1

FloppySOS.esp=1

Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp=1

SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Light.esp=1

Immersive Weapons.esp=1

SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp=1

SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1

SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp=1

SimpleSlavery.esp=1

SkyfallEstateBuildable.esp=1

SexLab-Parasites.esp=1

SexLab_Dialogues.esp=1

HentaiCreatures.esp=1

Missives.esp=1

DarkwaterDen.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp=1

SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp=1

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp=1

ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp=1

ArgonianAnshir.esp=1

Dr_Bandolier.esp=1

SkyUI.esp=1

SPERG.esp=1

SPERG-DB.esp=1

SPERG-DG.esp=1

Vivid Weathers.esp=1

Vivid Weathers - Falskaar.esp=1

Vivid Weathers - Extended Snow.esp=1

Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp=1

Worlds Dawn.esp=1

SOSRaceMenu.esp=1

FNIS.esp=1

UIExtensions.esp=1

AddItemMenu2.esp=1

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1

Skill Config.esp=1

Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp=1

Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp=1

ZedUnlimitedWeaponEnchant.esp=1

OverflowingEnchant.esp=1

Unique Uniques.esp=1

SexLabNudeCreatures.esp=1

Perk Point Awards.esp=1

Conjuration Pack I.esp=1

PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp=1

KCEIvoryHunter.esp=1

LostLongSwords.esp=1

The Huntsman.esp=1

Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp=1

RaceMenu.esp=1

RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1

DragonCarvedArmorSet.esp=1

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1

dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp=1

dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp=1

ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp=1

TheCoenaculiUNP.esp=1

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1

Golden Rings Of Craft.esp=1

UnderTheInfluenceV_1.4.esp=1

Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp=1

Unlimited Jewelry For Dawngurad & Dragonborn.esp=1

BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp=1

FS_NamelessLight.esp=1

LostGrimoire.esp=1

DragonBornCircletsComplete.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp=1

dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp=0

WildHuntress.esp=1

SexLabMatchMaker.esp=1

SexLabTools.esp=1

SexLab Cumshot.esp=1

Devious Deviants.esp=1

RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp=1

ExtraPocket.esp=1

Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1

BDSkimpyClothes.esp=1

SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp=1

SOS - Revealing Armors.esp=1

dc-untamed-000.esp=1

zzEstrus.esp=0

EstrusChaurus.esp=1

SLAnimLoader.esp=1

Footprints.esp=1

MoreNastyCritters.esp=1

HornyDragons.esp=1

SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp=1

SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp=1

SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp=1

SLALAnimObj.esp=1

NibblesAnimObjects.esp=1

FlameAtronachArmor.esp=1

FullBootForKKSA.esp=1

SexLabDefeat.esp=1

Simple Slavery Defeat.esp=1

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp=1

YiffyAgeConsolidated.esp=1

YiffyAgeHairPatch.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp=1

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1

XPMSE.esp=1

 

 

[Stiffon]

I do not know how to use Wrye Bash via NMM (I use MO), but yes, you are correct in that assumption.  There is some information here http://wiki.step-project.com/Bashed_Patch though it is centered on MO, but you might be able to start.

If you aren't prejudiced against it, I recommend trying MO.  It is a little confusing at the start, but overall, a much better system imho.  And there's a reason they hired it's creator to work on the new one...

 

The bashed patch will prevent mods that alter the same levelled lists from conflicting amongst other things.

 

Hope this helps a little.

[valcon767]

please check the MNC install guide (or main page of MNC) for the correct order for the esp/esm files it provides (they are out of order)

 

you should not need the SOS skeleton for males if you are using XPMSE.

 

making a bashed patch is not hard (google to find the STEP wiki to fond out how to make one it explains it better than I can), using WyreBash.

 

[KoolHndLuke]

Wryebash is easy. Just download the app and run it pretty much. It will load your plugins and then you right click on the bashed patch at the bottom of the list and click rebuild patch. That's the short version of it anyway.

[Clockwork161]

Wryebash is easy. Just download the app and run it pretty much. It will load your plugins and then you right click on the bashed patch at the bottom of the list and click rebuild patch. That's the short version of it anyway.

 

 

please check the MNC install guide (or main page of MNC) for the correct order for the esp/esm files it provides (they are out of order)

 

you should not need the SOS skeleton for males if you are using XPMSE.

 

making a bashed patch is not hard (google to find the STEP wiki to fond out how to make one it explains it better than I can), using WyreBash.

 

 

I do not know how to use Wrye Bash via NMM (I use MO), but yes, you are correct in that assumption.  There is some information here http://wiki.step-project.com/Bashed_Patch though it is centered on MO, but you might be able to start.

If you aren't prejudiced against it, I recommend trying MO.  It is a little confusing at the start, but overall, a much better system imho.  And there's a reason they hired it's creator to work on the new one...

 

The bashed patch will prevent mods that alter the same levelled lists from conflicting amongst other things.

 

Hope this helps a little.

Okay, so I did do that. I ran Wyre Bash and it had created a bashed patch. Issue is, now my skyrim.esm cannot be checked to run.

 

I am using NMM currently. I have trouble with mod organizer running loot and it has mods that I've had uninstalled for ages.

[Stiffon]

 

Okay, so I did do that. I ran Wyre Bash and it had created a bashed patch. Issue is, now my skyrim.esm cannot be checked to run.

 

I am using NMM currently. I have trouble with mod organizer running loot and it has mods that I've had uninstalled for ages.

 

 

Sadly I can offer little to no help with NMM - I only ever used it for a short while when I first started modding FNV/FO3/TTW about 3 years ago, then switched to MO and after some initial pain, never looked back.  I briefly tried to use it again for Oblivion a few months back when I got that in the Steam sale, but wound up back to MO within a couple of days!

Does your game start or not?  Bashed patch should be at bottom of load order.  When you open wrye bash and the bashed patch is at the bottom, you could try to rebuild it - right click on it and select rebuild patch - on the next screen, check everything looks ok and click on build patch.

I run everything through MO, so I do not know how wrye bash interacts with NMM, but there may be someone along soon that will.

 

[KoolHndLuke]

 

Okay, so I did do that. I ran Wyre Bash and it had created a bashed patch. Issue is, now my skyrim.esm cannot be checked to run.

 

I am using NMM currently. I have trouble with mod organizer running loot and it has mods that I've had uninstalled for ages.

 

Just close out Wryebash and NMM and then restart NMM. Everything should be checked. Wryebash will do that to NMM every time if you leave it open.