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This is the dumbest most pointless thread I have ever commented on. Modding is a community and sharing resources is an integral part of it, I am only giving my two cents I have already made a character I like and don't use follower mods anyway so this "framework" holds no appeal too me anyway.

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Its better not to close the thread, this just proves how the modding community are.

 

How so exactly? Because from the look of it you already assumed people would use your mod as a way of plagiarizing peoples work, so you pretty much instigated it didn't you?

 

YOU:  Hey Guys I am creating an awesome mod you're all going to love just you wait!

 

[sEVERAL MONTHS LATER]

 

YOU: Hey I finished creating that mod I said I was making for you guys but you know what I can't trust you to use it because guess what?! That's right you guys are pieces of shit who would use it to plagiarize other peoples hard work.... it really is a shame and oh so sad you don't get to use my mod :P

 

Community: This post is completely pointless than isn't it? Its kind of an asinine assumption to make about all of us and waste everyone's time in the process.

 

YOU: lol ;)  just proves my point on how shitty of people you're, the only one who isn't shitty is me so enjoy your life or what little of one you have without my framework which did I mention was awesome and nothing compares too it?

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Its better not to close the thread, this just proves how the modding community are.

 

this just prove what i wrote on page 1

 

switching to a custom race to use a follower head? that's just asking for useless problems

and there's already tools to do that...

 

as if it is complicated to find new stuff to do

 

 

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giving those hair mods to npc suck, but doing something about it...

who want to do that?

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not much difference if you give those hairs one of vanilla hairs

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but there's hundreds of hairs

 

those mesh have a different bslightning?

to make that npc blond, that one brown, that one pink?

there's no need for that

orc are green because you load a green tintmask on their body (and head)

you can also load a 32*32 blond tintmask to make that npc blond using that texture

 

you delete those headparts from the race, to replace with an active effect that equip hair armor

on initialise(actor)

int i = random (0,max)

npc.additem hair(x)

npc.equipitem hair(x)

 

for the hair color you compare the npc hair color to a formlist haircolorlist

or you don't give a shit if lydia is blond in one game and brown in another

 

then you mimick other games stuff

after some time, another i = random(0,max) and the npc swich to another hair

or formlist hair = hairshort become formlist hair = hairlong to make those hairs grown

 

and those hairs become much more performance frienly

50 npcs in a town that use 12 hairs are no longer 50 mb of mesh and 64 mb of texture, but 12 mb of mesh and 5 mb of textures

 

 

 

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Its better not to close the thread, this just proves how the modding community are.

 

How so exactly? Because from the look of it you already assumed people would use your mod as a way of plagiarizing peoples own work, so you pretty much instigated it didn't you?

 

YOU:  Hey Guys I am creating an awesome mod you're all going to love just you wait!

 

[sEVERAL MONTHS LATER]

 

YOU: Hey I finished creating that mod I said I was making for you guys but you know what I can't trust you to use it because guess what?! That's right you guys are pieces of shit who would use it to plagiarize other peoples hard work.... it really is a shame and oh so sad you don't get to use my mod :P

 

Community: This post is completely pointless than isn't it? Its kind of an asinine assumption to make about all of us and waste everyone's time in the process.

 

YOU: lol ;)  just proves my point on how shitty of people you're, the only one who isn't shitty is me so enjoy your life or what little of one you have without my framework which did I mention was awesome and nothing compares too it?

 

Wrapped up the entire thread in a single paragraph admirably.

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Its better not to close the thread, this just proves how the modding community are.

 

this just prove what i wrote on page 1

 

switching to a custom race to use a follower head? that's just asking for useless problems

and there's already tools to do that...

 

as if it is complicated to find new stuff to do

 

 

596554Clipboard06.jpg

giving those hair mods to npc suck, but doing something about it...

who want to do that?

369282Clipboard02.jpg

not much difference if you give those hairs one of vanilla hairs

155290Clipboard04.jpg

but there's hundreds of hairs

 

those mesh have a different bslightning?

to make that npc blond, that one brown, that one pink?

there's no need for that

orc are green because you load a green tintmask on their body (and head)

you can also load a 32*32 blond tintmask to make that npc blond using that texture

 

you delete those headparts from the race, to replace with an active effect that equip hair armor

on initialise(actor)

int i = random (0,max)

npc.additem hair(x)

npc.equipitem hair(x)

 

for the hair color you compare the npc hair color to a formlist haircolorlist

or you don't give a shit if lydia is blond in one game and brown in another

 

then you mimick other games stuff

after some time, another i = random(0,max) and the npc swich to another hair

or formlist hair = hairshort become formlist hair = hairlong to make those hairs grown

 

and those hairs become much more performance frienly

50 npcs in a town that use 12 hairs are no longer 50 mb of mesh and 64 mb of texture, but 12 mb of mesh and 5 mb of textures

 

 

 

 

You just showed how tedious it is for the method you are using to convert them.

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Its better not to close the thread, this just proves how the modding community are.

 

this just prove what i wrote on page 1

 

switching to a custom race to use a follower head? that's just asking for useless problems

and there's already tools to do that...

 

as if it is complicated to find new stuff to do

 

 

596554Clipboard06.jpg

giving those hair mods to npc suck, but doing something about it...

who want to do that?

369282Clipboard02.jpg

not much difference if you give those hairs one of vanilla hairs

155290Clipboard04.jpg

but there's hundreds of hairs

 

those mesh have a different bslightning?

to make that npc blond, that one brown, that one pink?

there's no need for that

orc are green because you load a green tintmask on their body (and head)

you can also load a 32*32 blond tintmask to make that npc blond using that texture

 

you delete those headparts from the race, to replace with an active effect that equip hair armor

on initialise(actor)

int i = random (0,max)

npc.additem hair(x)

npc.equipitem hair(x)

 

for the hair color you compare the npc hair color to a formlist haircolorlist

or you don't give a shit if lydia is blond in one game and brown in another

 

then you mimick other games stuff

after some time, another i = random(0,max) and the npc swich to another hair

or formlist hair = hairshort become formlist hair = hairlong to make those hairs grown

 

and those hairs become much more performance frienly

50 npcs in a town that use 12 hairs are no longer 50 mb of mesh and 64 mb of texture, but 12 mb of mesh and 5 mb of textures

 

 

 

 

You just showed how tedious it is for the method you are using to convert them.

 

 

no idea what you are talking about, you didn't bother opening the spoiler?

 

why would i want to put a follower head on my char anyway?

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i use followers as head material for npcs from mods...

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because of that i have a problem with hairs

can't put all that follower crap in one bsa with sg and ks hair, and sg brows, eyes of beauty and everything else those mods are using to reduce the performance waste

 

care much more about that than your useless framework

 

 

 

 

 

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Lol, what's going on?

 

Mod maker posts about how great their mod is but can't be released because we can't be trusted not to misuse it to steal other peoples work. Of course during the posts it comes out that they used someone else's work and then asked permission and was denied and asked to take down pics of their stuff and the mod maker is wondering what the big deal is with using the pics (um, stealing other peoples work?). Yatol then goes on to show that the same thing can be done in a number of different ways but mod maker still says "mine is better!". Why they bothered to post all the details of the mod then say "you can't have it" just shows they are another one of those people that like to show off what they made and not release it so they can feel superior than everyone else.

 

Edit: especially ironic as most of the files they have released here are player versions of custom followers.

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This has cartmanland written all over it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartmanland

 

I'm so tired of people making things for these old ass games then saying nah you can't have it like the asian modders do or like this or whatever. Oh well atleast there is the impending death of these old ass games at some point since they are so old who will play them anymore kind of thing that will happen sooner or later. All it would take is one new really good game to kill all the old games so nobody would care about skyrimgtx anymore or any other huckster out there except of course beth.aids they will always make money.

 

A majority of the follower mods out there look like shit anyway I think there are only a few like less than ten that are really good and worth using everything else looks like questionable pedo followers or really ugly faced things either as joke mod or parodies or just plain bad.

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Yatol then goes on to show that the same thing can be done in a number of different ways but mod maker still says "mine is better!". Why they bothered to post all the details of the mod then say "you can't have it" just shows they are another one of those people that like to show off what they made and not release it so they can feel superior than everyone else.

 

all the details? there's just a screen of a lilu race...

what he had to do to made it? no idea

doubt it's faster than

-putting the followers files in bodychange if you have to switch (citrus, doa, witcher... )

-importing the follower head on your char with racemenu

 

easy stuff that can be done in a few minutes since years

and that's probably what's that topic is about, "tetro has already laid down the rules for his followers"

someone know what those rules are (didn't bother taking a look, i don't care and i don't try to hide it^^)

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Horrible turn of events

To be frank you caused this yourself.

 

One day you announce that you'll make it easier for people to play as followers they like with little trouble, even asking for help here (around 11~10 months ago) with your framework. By December you set your profile status as "Epic things coming" (as someone who was expecting the framework this got me hyped). 

 

But then, months later, when the framework is apparently finally complete, you just go and post about how great the outcome of your hard work is but no one else gets to use it, since everyone is evil and will use your tool for bad stuff like reuploading playable versions and whatnot.

 

I gotta agree with Veladarius, you can't be held responsible for whatever people use your framework for. If someone use a sex mod to make 3D child porn videos, whoever made the sex mod won't be held responsible. Same logic applies here.

 

It saddens me that, assuming said framework is really working after so much work, you decided to just show off that it's complete and then be childish to whatever people comment here. I don't know what you expected at all when posting this and replying the way you are.

 

Anyway, just my opinion. And no, I didn't stalk your profile or something for this, because as I said, I have been waiting for your tool for quite a while, and we even exchanged messages regarding a specific follower becoming playable (and for personal use, mind you).

 

At least try to take some criticism and forget about how cool your framework is when people show you workarounds to what you created, being humble doesn't hurt.

 

Just my two cents.

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 The time that your mod would have saved people could been have used to:

 

Hug your children

 

Tell your partner you love them

 

Smell a lovely flower

 

Clean your bathroom, including the toilet

 

Make something beautiful

 

Make the world a better place

 

Take a nap

 

...so, by not releasing the mod, you actually made the world a worse place.

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such a shame, modding always has been made for the community not for the glory, what is the big deal if people "steal" mods to make new mods, i'm against stealing mods and selling then but literally no one does this

 

I assume you haven't met skyrimgtx?

 

 

and what's so special about him?

 

Late to the party but feel like commenting about this, its a modder that i will admit had nice knach for NPC making, he uses as an excuse the fact that his mods where posted elsewhere to act like a victim/drama queen and to keep them under a pay wall. Why does it bother me ?

 

1. First of all the hypocrisy, if you want money for your mods just come and say it, don't act like a victim and cowardly look for excuses

2. Because many of his mods use resources by other modders, albeit nicely edited mesh-ups, but mesh ups all togheter i wonder just how many of those modders where asked if they are all right with him using their work to try and get some profit ?

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what shit

-in all your mods you make your self as god of modding !!!

am noob in modding but i can use tes5edit and CK

 

i can do the same work in 10 min

- load follower make file.npc

- make race from follower path load nif as preset load .npc in genrate facegendata erase with tnt , nif from follower ( without effort load one of your mod ( playble xxx) and only change path)

-save esp

- enjoy

 

i have make my own char as playable race and i have do wit other followers

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what shit

-in all your mods you make your self as god of modding !!!

am noob in modding but i can use tes5edit and CK

 

i can do the same work in 10 min

- load follower make file.npc

- make race from follower path load nif as preset load .npc in genrate facegendata erase with tnt , nif from follower ( without effort load one of your mod ( playble xxx) and only change path)

-save esp

- enjoy

 

i have make my own char as playable race and i have do wit other followers

"10 min"

 

Load nif as preset - so you will load the nif as present in racemenu? Then you lost already, you don't have the proper texture tint of the character then. When done this way indeed it is accurate but the tint/makeup will not be loaded.

 

If what you mean load nif as preset in CK - not possible as well, all of the npc/follower mods that release don't have their headmeshes included thus if you load the preset in CK you will come out with a face close to vanilla.

 

Sorry if i didn't understand it, the english is hard to understand.

 

I'll give you one shot, Create a playable version of overknee's nadia which you can modify the Hair/Face/Textures/Tints/Makeup without touching all of the files or pasting the files on a different folder or skyrim.esm folder

Take note while maintaining 1:1 ratio of accuracy to the follower version.

 

If you can do that, then im impressed

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 i will admit had nice knach for NPC making,

He actually took the followers from Yui, VinAri, Shidoni, etc then edited and redistributed them as his own original creations.

 

Whether he knows how or can make characters that nice (subjective term) on his own... who knows.

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such a shame, modding always has been made for the community not for the glory, what is the big deal if people "steal" mods to make new mods, i'm against stealing mods and selling then but literally no one does this

 

I assume you haven't met skyrimgtx?

 

 

and what's so special about him?

 

Late to the party but feel like commenting about this, its a modder that i will admit had nice knach for NPC making, he uses as an excuse the fact that his mods where posted elsewhere to act like a victim/drama queen and to keep them under a pay wall. Why does it bother me ?

 

1. First of all the hypocrisy, if you want money for your mods just come and say it, don't act like a victim and cowardly look for excuses

2. Because many of his mods use resources by other modders, albeit nicely edited mesh-ups, but mesh ups all togheter i wonder just how many of those modders where asked if they are all right with him using their work to try and get some profit ?

 

 

He made NOTHING original. Nothing. Not a single thing. Not a single enb setting, mesh, or diffuse. Nothing.

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