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Just quick re-post from my nexus post, then gonna swim in bed.

 

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Just a little showcase with what my framework can do. A while back I was making follower mods into playable character versions, of course everything that is released has permissions from their respective authors acquired before releasing. There are numbers of people there that know how I did it as well as have read that I'm working on something that will make the process easier and "FINALLY" customizable. Meaning it isn't using sculpts or the respective facegens of the followers.

Unfortunately I won't be releasing the framework anymore, yes its also finished as well. Sadly its for the greater good. The reason I uploaded this specific follower by "tetro" thank you tetro for the awesome follower btw. Is to show how dangerous it will be when i release it publicly.

Anyone can just turn any follower to player versions and modify the hair/makeup/bodyshape/parts/textures/meshes/etc since they won't be tied to the sculpts or the facegen anymore.

The horrible permissions issues will arrise, authors will remove their work which they put their hearts into because people will start making player versions of their characters and worse, reuploading them as playable with their own edits.

-Sorry for my english its 9:42am here and I haven't slept for 2 days now.

RIP Player framework

I will still continue to make player versions tho as long as i aquire the respective permissions or you get me the permissions. Still active in taking requests, just at work alot so if I don't reply ill prolly be able to just not immediately.

 

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"No you cannot ask for Lilu player version, tetro has already laid down the rules for his followers"

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1. Why bother advertising you can do this

 

2. Anyone with access to the CK and rudimentary nif swapping skills can make any follower a pc or vice versa.

1. Alot of people are pming

 

2. Yes you can, but with sculpt method, you won't be able to replicate the tint/makeup/lips/lashes/texture wise on headparts to be 100% accurate unless you touch the textures themselves with PS or editing tool

- You will be able to modify the head, yes. But you are tied to sculpting

-facegen method you can't edit anything just the body

 

3. rude people like you obviously will use something like this for something bad :P

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Modding has never been about pride or glory. Stupid people will redistribute mods for pride and glory. Some of the smarter ones will other peoples' work for money. I just stick around on the plague that is the internet. This is a pep talk by the way. How am I doing?

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Perhaps a better approach would be to release a tutorial of how to instead of just saying why you won't release something that sounds like is in high demand.  IMO, withholding a tool from the public because people might do bad things with it is not a good rationale (obviously had you not posted it on a thread none of us would even know of its existence ;)). 

 

Indeed a certain follower mod author and her fans had publicly accused anyone and everyone who ever used RaceMenu's sculpt function to copy others' works for PERSONAL use as thieves and even gone as far as attacking people who posted tutorials on LL.  I am sure she uses ECE and couldn't care less about RaceMenu but it's insane to think that expired might killed off RaceMenu because of it.

 

Anyone can wield a knife but does not make us all killers.

 

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such a shame, modding always has been made for the community not for the glory, what is the big deal if people "steal" mods to make new mods, i'm against stealing mods and selling then but literally no one does this

 

Literally a person posting in the sexshots thread today has three stolen followers as PCs on her blog

 

At least four skyrim modders have quit permanently because of skyrimGTX and two other have paywalled their shit because he still continues to do it over youtube so your theorycraft doesn't really hold any weight.

 

1. Why bother advertising you can do this

 

2. Anyone with access to the CK and rudimentary nif swapping skills can make any follower a pc or vice versa.

 

2. Yes you can, but with sculpt method, you won't be able to replicate the tint/makeup/lips/lashes/texture wise on headparts to be 100% accurate unless you touch the textures themselves with PS or editing tool

- You will be able to modify the head, yes. But you are tied to sculpting

-facegen method you can't edit anything just the body

 

 

If someone knows how to use niftools and rigger to replicate the mesh, you're telling me with a straight face they lack the means or knowledge to work with a couple of layers in PS or Gimp?

 

yeah no.

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 On the scale of Ultimate Evil, what you were working on was much less

evil than the mad scientists at CERN trying to create a tear in the space

time continuum and let alien invaders through to destroy Earth.

Just woke up today, This kinda made my day when I was reading it, I had to look back on what I posted hahahahahahaha XD

 

such a shame, modding always has been made for the community not for the glory, what is the big deal if people "steal" mods to make new mods, i'm against stealing mods and selling then but literally no one does this

Yeah and I posted it on LL where there are already tons of ported stuff and stolen stuff. Prolly posted it to stop the pms regarding a tutorial on how to do it. 

 

Modding has never been about pride or glory. Stupid people will redistribute mods for pride and glory. Some of the smarter ones will other peoples' work for money. I just stick around on the plague that is the internet. This is a pep talk by the way. How am I doing?

True, but modding does alot of stuff to people, for example when someone gets so much fame via modding they then tend to do something else entirely, Like paywall, because they feel like the content their doing is more than for the public. I'm not a fan off as well but yeah you're doing fine :)

 

Perhaps a better approach would be to release a tutorial of how to instead of just saying why you won't release something that sounds like is in high demand.  IMO, withholding a tool from the public because people might do bad things with it is not a good rationale (obviously had you not posted it on a thread none of us would even know of its existence ;)). 

 

Indeed a certain follower mod author and her fans had publicly accused anyone and everyone who ever used RaceMenu's sculpt function to copy others' works for PERSONAL use as thieves and even gone as far as attacking people who posted tutorials on LL.  I am sure she uses ECE and couldn't care less about RaceMenu but it's insane to think that expired might killed off RaceMenu because of it.

 

Anyone can wield a knife but does not make us all killers.

The point was not releasing a tutorial, does this post. Yes a tool which I created, I scripted, I research, spent hours with. I think I have my rights to keep it out from public, and if you're already thinking if I used some stolen script or work and edited it? nope, Its a whole new thing from scratch which I've been working on for 2 years. So yep I have every right to not make it public or to create a tutorial.

 

Thats where you are wrong, ECE followers aren't safe with sculpt/facegen method, nor my tool, if you take a look at my released mods most of them are ECE but i was still able to use the sculpt/facegen method to make them.

 

 

such a shame, modding always has been made for the community not for the glory, what is the big deal if people "steal" mods to make new mods, i'm against stealing mods and selling then but literally no one does this

 

Literally a person posting in the sexshots thread today has three stolen followers as PCs on her blog

 

At least four skyrim modders have quit permanently because of skyrimGTX and two other have paywalled their shit because he still continues to do it over youtube so your theorycraft doesn't really hold any weight.

 

1. Why bother advertising you can do this

 

2. Anyone with access to the CK and rudimentary nif swapping skills can make any follower a pc or vice versa.

 

2. Yes you can, but with sculpt method, you won't be able to replicate the tint/makeup/lips/lashes/texture wise on headparts to be 100% accurate unless you touch the textures themselves with PS or editing tool

- You will be able to modify the head, yes. But you are tied to sculpting

-facegen method you can't edit anything just the body

 

 

If someone knows how to use niftools and rigger to replicate the mesh, you're telling me with a straight face they lack the means or knowledge to work with a couple of layers in PS or Gimp?

 

yeah no.

 

Not mesh rigger, you are right about niftools tho, its the last process. Its a script I had to write down and make from scratch for over 2 years, (took a while bec i keep abandoning and going back to finish it), made for max that splits facegens/hairs/lashes (basically a mesh splitter) then converts them to exact copy of how the meshes should be in their playable form. Its too dangerous, because of how followers are setup, sometimes they don't even provide the headmesh literally and the tool, generates the headmesh to make it playable with complete functionality and cuztomizability. 

 

Nope, I'm telling you that the public who doesn't know how to edit in PS or Gimp will have the power to just convert any follower to players without even breaking a sweat, 1>2 step process will give access even to people who just read properly on how to get presets to work properly the ability to make player versions.

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1. Why bother advertising you can do this

 

2. Anyone with access to the CK and rudimentary nif swapping skills can make any follower a pc or vice versa.

1. Alot of people are pming

 

2. Yes you can, but with sculpt method, you won't be able to replicate the tint/makeup/lips/lashes/texture wise on headparts to be 100% accurate unless you touch the textures themselves with PS or editing tool

- You will be able to modify the head, yes. But you are tied to sculpting

-facegen method you can't edit anything just the body

 

3. rude people like you obviously will use something like this for something bad :P

 

 

anyone that can copy paste a nif in skse\plugin\chargen can put that head on his char...

 

 

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oh, the follower was using hair x? just pick hair x in hair menu

it isn't there? load tesedit, and add formlist humanoidrace to it, or remove flag non playable

same for warpaint, eyes, scar, whatever there is you want

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limited to facescuplt? how about giving elven eyes to those nords with elven ears?

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player was using femaleeyenord01 (maybe)

you import femaleelveneye x on it

for the game it's still femaleeyenord01, and that can mean problems

 

you pick femaleelveneye x before importing, it's what the game think it is, no problems

or you put back the morphs of what it was before importing

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oh, it's working fine

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Perhaps a better approach would be to release a tutorial of how to instead of just saying why you won't release something that sounds like is in high demand.  IMO, withholding a tool from the public because people might do bad things with it is not a good rationale (obviously had you not posted it on a thread none of us would even know of its existence ;)). 

 

Indeed a certain follower mod author and her fans had publicly accused anyone and everyone who ever used RaceMenu's sculpt function to copy others' works for PERSONAL use as thieves and even gone as far as attacking people who posted tutorials on LL.  I am sure she uses ECE and couldn't care less about RaceMenu but it's insane to think that expired might killed off RaceMenu because of it.

 

Anyone can wield a knife but does not make us all killers.

The point was not releasing a tutorial, does this post. Yes a tool which I created, I scripted, I research, spent hours with. I think I have my rights to keep it out from public, and if you're already thinking if I used some stolen script or work and edited it? nope, Its a whole new thing from scratch which I've been working on for 2 years. So yep I have every right to not make it public or to create a tutorial.

 

Thats where you are wrong, ECE followers aren't safe with sculpt/facegen method, nor my tool, if you take a look at my released mods most of them are ECE but i was still able to use the sculpt/facegen method to make them.

 

I am not implying anything as I have no idea what exactly that you made and the specifics led you to cancel its release other than my impression that you might have felt the pressure from the very vocal and aggressive group of people who think follower mod authors' rights absolutely trump over any personal private use.  I tried to convey otherwise but it sounds like you share their view. 

 

In such case, don't release the tool.  It is certainly your right but opening a thread saying "I made this great tool but I am not going to release it because people who want to play as someone else' followers without explicit permission are thieves." is hardly public service.

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In such case, don't release the tool.  It is certainly your right but opening a thread saying "I made this great tool but I am not going to release it because people who want to play as someone else' followers without explicit permission are thieves." is hardly public service.

 

 

that's to tell you he have something you don't have, and create drama

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This is a real shitshow from beginning to end.

 

Everyone absolutely has the right to make their own mods/modding tools/anything else and not release it to the public. It's when they decide to rub it in the face of others for no particular reason that the line is crossed. And to make things worse, they also accuse someone of being one of the "evil" people who would misuse these mod tools, on grounds that he's "rude". Guess what, he isn't rude. He's justifiably pissed off at your own rudeness.

 

Quite honestly, this thread told us a lot more about the OP than about any supposed character stealers which may or may not be out there.

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such a shame, modding always has been made for the community not for the glory, what is the big deal if people "steal" mods to make new mods, i'm against stealing mods and selling then but literally no one does this

 

Literally a person posting in the sexshots thread today has three stolen followers as PCs on her blog

 

At least four skyrim modders have quit permanently because of skyrimGTX and two other have paywalled their shit because he still continues to do it over youtube so your theorycraft doesn't really hold any weight.

 

wait... that's the big deal? people using followers as characters in their playthrough is a bad thing? we live in dark times

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such a shame, modding always has been made for the community not for the glory, what is the big deal if people "steal" mods to make new mods, i'm against stealing mods and selling then but literally no one does this

 

I assume you haven't met skyrimgtx?

 

 

and what's so special about him?

take a look at that lilu player version

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not take a look at meera62099-1-1422496050.jpg

there's no need to release a "new" follower every time someone release a new texture, hair, warpaint or whatever

 

here's a lilu or meera or whatever you want to call it, with brown eyes

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1. Why bother advertising you can do this

 

2. Anyone with access to the CK and rudimentary nif swapping skills can make any follower a pc or vice versa.

1. Alot of people are pming

 

2. Yes you can, but with sculpt method, you won't be able to replicate the tint/makeup/lips/lashes/texture wise on headparts to be 100% accurate unless you touch the textures themselves with PS or editing tool

- You will be able to modify the head, yes. But you are tied to sculpting

-facegen method you can't edit anything just the body

 

3. rude people like you obviously will use something like this for something bad :P

 

 

anyone that can copy paste a nif in skse\plugin\chargen can put that head on his char...

 

 

170816105012464685.jpg

 

170816104958646658.jpg

oh, the follower was using hair x? just pick hair x in hair menu

it isn't there? load tesedit, and add formlist humanoidrace to it, or remove flag non playable

same for warpaint, eyes, scar, whatever there is you want

170816105024601113.jpg

limited to facescuplt? how about giving elven eyes to those nords with elven ears?

170816105011930381.jpg

player was using femaleeyenord01 (maybe)

you import femaleelveneye x on it

for the game it's still femaleeyenord01, and that can mean problems

 

you pick femaleelveneye x before importing, it's what the game think it is, no problems

or you put back the morphs of what it was before importing

17081610501817547.jpg

oh, it's working fine

170816105035297368.jpg

 

 

 

 

Thank you for helping me prove my point appreciate it

This is a real shitshow from beginning to end.

 

Everyone absolutely has the right to make their own mods/modding tools/anything else and not release it to the public. It's when they decide to rub it in the face of others for no particular reason that the line is crossed. And to make things worse, they also accuse someone of being one of the "evil" people who would misuse these mod tools, on grounds that he's "rude". Guess what, he isn't rude. He's justifiably pissed off at your own rudeness.

 

Quite honestly, this thread told us a lot more about the OP than about any supposed character stealers which may or may not be out there.

I'm looking at one butthurt person :D nah just kidding.

 

I understand your point, but from the amount of authors who were mad just by touching their mod, because before I ask for their permission i present to them the finish product so they can understand what I did that its only a single esp file. 

 

Even just asking for their permission they already went full aggressive towards me.

 

Imagine if it goes public all people that will copy remake release player versions, that would really put down mod authors motivations, for example skyrimgtx already made alot of authors quit because of their stealing and releasing their stuff slightly modified but paywalled.

Sorry to anyone that is getting triggered by the thread here, Wasn't my intention, hope you guys understand why I made this post.

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Sorry to anyone that is getting triggered by the thread here, Wasn't my intention, hope you guys understand why I made this post.

 

to try to make them envious of something that was done years ago...

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/29624/?tab=2&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Fskyrim%2Fajax%2Fmodfiles%2F%3Fid%3D29624&pUp=1

there's something racemenu mimic plugin in the download section, check what it does

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Why make a topic where you do something, then specifically tell people not to do the same thing? Where you teach people how, yet shame people for doing so? And go through the process to make a tool, only to forbid people from using it?

 

When you made "Player Framework" were you naive to the fact that other people would want to... use it for the exact purpose you created it for?

 

I don't condone stealing, nor do I mind you not releasing your stuff... but why mention it all? Why not just say 'fuck skyrimGTX' every few days, and be done with it.

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Sorry to anyone that is getting triggered by the thread here, Wasn't my intention, hope you guys understand why I made this post.

 

to try to make them envious of something that was done years ago...

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/29624/?tab=2&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Fskyrim%2Fajax%2Fmodfiles%2F%3Fid%3D29624&pUp=1

there's something racemenu mimic plugin in the download section, check what it does

 

Mimic plugin is a failure, you need to have the complete head mesh, respective textures, hair textures and all the requirements before you get the exact same follower copy.

 

Why make a topic where you do something, then specifically tell people not to do the same thing? Where you teach people how, yet shame people for doing so? And go through the process to make a tool, only to forbid people from using it?

 

When you made "Player Framework" were you naive to the fact that other people would want to... use it for the exact purpose you created it for?

 

I don't condone stealing, nor do I mind you not releasing your stuff... but why mention it all? Why not just say 'fuck skyrimGTX' every few days, and be done with it.

Seems like you didn't bother reading the topic. This was meant for those people who have been constantly pming me in LL and nexus to teach them how to do it.

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Why make a topic where you do something, then specifically tell people not to do the same thing? Where you teach people how, yet shame people for doing so? And go through the process to make a tool, only to forbid people from using it?

 

When you made "Player Framework" were you naive to the fact that other people would want to... use it for the exact purpose you created it for?

 

I don't condone stealing, nor do I mind you not releasing your stuff... but why mention it all? Why not just say 'fuck skyrimGTX' every few days, and be done with it.

Seems like you didn't bother reading the topic. This was meant for those people who have been constantly pming me in LL and nexus to teach them how to do it.

 

There still gonna pm and ask you even if they do read this topic... people always think there the exception to the rules instead of the reasons they're enforced.

 

Still... why create something that (I'm assuming) you intended to release that essentially steals from creators? You may ask for permission, others won't, and I don't want to believe you're naive/gullible enough to believe otherwise; and if you never intended to release it... why bother telling people at all?

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I have made playable version of some of my followers. My one follower uses ECE ygnord I start my game and select ygnord race then gender after that I open the console and search for my followers name and then their race name and type in setrace ********* and hit enter. Once that is done I save the game and then close the game down if you don't close the game down and try to adjust any sliders the face will get hit by the ugly stick and everything will change. So close the game down load up the save file and open the race menu using the console and change the hair and body features to match the followers.

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