TFC Cam snaps back to 3rd person

[guk]

When i enter TFC or TFC 1, the camera sometimes snaps back to 3rd person. Afterwards the 3rd person cam is stuck permanently in a close orbit on the player, and i can no longer cast spells or attack.

Basically the same effect like if you try to enter another pose during TFC mode.

 

Doesn't seem to happen in every game session, but when it happens it keeps repeating over and over, making screenarchery impossible. Also persists between reloading, quitting to main menu and save / game restart.

I also noticed, that very rarely my character also goes into attack mode as if i had pushed an attack button (which are disabled in TFC anyways).

 

-----> So are there any mods known to do this?

I already had a number of suspects that i installed before this started happening - USLEEP, DynDoLOD, Realistic Animation Project Idles. Also turned off Screenshot Assist (which i used for years) but nothing seems to fix this.

The only mod that supposedly does this is "Play Random Idle", which i don't even have installed.

 

Don't remember how to export the mod list / load order in MO, so if you want to look in there you'll have to remind me ;-)

 

 

- TIA

[yatol]

that's because everyone is giving priorities randomly (there's something somewhere about what you aren't supposed to overwrite?)

 

there's probably a standing still package load on npc when a killmove trigger

it's lower than some packages i have for those npc, some keep going when i killmove them, and sometime they get out of killmove range, canceling the killmove

camera can get stuck for the same reason (camera keep going, without the killmove stuff to tell it where to go, so it stay there waiting for killmove stuff instructions that will never come)

 

tfc 1 then sexlab camera shortcut

or $ tfc 1 tfc

or $ tfc

one way or another camera get back in place (by overwriting the stuck camera by one with highter priority)

 

when you are moving around in tfc 1, it pause the game

auto attack won't unpause the game, tfc 1 stuff have highter priority

but if you miss the screenshot shortcut and press something that have highter priority than tfc 1

it will unpause the game to do its stuff, without unloading tfc 1 stuff, that will come back after (it won't re pause the game, what's done is done, but you will no longer be able to attack or cast spells or sit or cook or..)

 

loading a save can't fix it, for the same saving a draugr won't wake up if you save before waking him up then loading that save, and for the same reason coc qasmoke allow you to load save the game isn't able to load

a reboot will take care of the problem is you use the windows crap that keep useless crap in the ram to reload it faster (and wrong^^)

 

 

 

[Naked Ekans]

I'm also suffering from this problem lately... closing and opening the game fixes it for me at least.

 

I think the mod list in MO is located in the profile folder. If you post it here we could check if there is a mod we both use and see if could be the problem... I'm at the office now, I can't post my list right now.

[guk]

Thanks guys for looking into this.

 

@yatol

The problem is, this already can happen when i start a new game with LAL, then choose something indoors without any NPCs (like breezehome) and just type "TFC" into console.

I also wait 30+ seconds before and after char creation, and then wait again after the LAL start to make sure that all scripts can initialize.

 

@Naked Ekans

Thanks, thought there would be some export button in the interface.

 

Well here is the current load order, most likely any script mods should appear in there. I could also post the mod list, but there are over 600 entries most of which are disabled.

 

 

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

[JmV]LTTF.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

OblivionHairPackAIO.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

EFFCore.esm

JSwords.esm

SGHairPackBase.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

hdtHighHeel.esm

fox_shop.esm

ZaZAnimationPack.esm

FoxPalace_X.esm

_00Stages.esp

Aibellia.esp

AzurasWatch.esp

RelightingSkyrim_Legendary.esp

NoRadialBlur.esp

EpisodeParallax.esp

Skyrim HD Tribute - Roads.esp

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

Bethesda_Hi-Res_Optimized.esp

RevampedExteriorFog.esp

SAM - Shape Atlas for Men.esp

SAM - Dawnguard Patch.esp

SOS Schlong Controller.esp

Eyes of Aber.esp

MikanEyes All in one.esp

IridumEyes2.0.esp

GPPoses.esp

00FacialExpressions.esp

HTongues.esp

Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp

Dark Dungeons for Dragonborn.esp

Dark Dungeons for Dawnguard.esp

JSwords Container.esp

EmpyreanWarpaints.esp

BHWarPaints.esp

FootIKOffSpell.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

KS Hairdos - HDT.esp

The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp

SGHairPackAIO.esp

GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp

Sunglasses_WF.esp

Cherry's Eyes.esp

UIExtensions.esp

HHairstyles.esp

KS Hairdo's.esp

LovelyHairstylesCE.esp

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

jh_people2.esp

Public Poser.esp

Halo's Poser.esp

Beards.esp

SSAssist.esp

LadyKdCirclets.esp

EFFDialogue.esp

KK_Lola_companion_wolfdog.esp

Necrosarium.esp

TrueBrows.esp

Leah Lilith Jewelry.esp

KS Jewelry.esp

FS_UltimateAssortment.esp

SkyUI.esp

Osare HeadPhone 2nd.esp

Osare HeadPhone.esp

CharmingHighHeels.esp

Pupetteer Master.esp

Lieyes_v1.0.esp

TMSG.esp

TMSG0Z.esp

RutahTattooPack.esp

wgwarpaint2p0.esp

Kai's Lipstick.esp

FreckleMania.esp

Tribal Tattoo Overlays.esp

RaceMenu.esp

MinimalHUD.esp

Brows.esp

RailLight.esp

Skyrim Accessories.esp

SGEyebrows.esp

Facelight.esp

Weathered Road Signs.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

MacKom_LoreStylesHairSet.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp

Studios.esp

The Ningheim.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp

SFO - Dragonborn.esp

Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

SMIM-Merged-All.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp

Review Studio.esp

SteelPlateBikini.esp

BandedIronBikini.esp

DragonBoneBikini.esp

Elewin Sunglasses.esp

Wolfbikini.esp

SteelBikini.esp

AetherSuite.esp

SBF All In One + DLC.esp

Vivid Landscapes.esp

dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

imp_helm_legend.esp

Replacement Crowns.esp

BladesBikini.esp

FNISspells.esp

ScreenshotPad.esp

AddItemMenu.esp

FalmerBikini.esp

FoxMerged.esp

DonMichHeels.esp

DonMichHeelsstock.esp

XiNafay - Shoes.esp

The Oasis.esp

12FemaleBrows.esp

MiniBikini.esp

SimpleBikini7B.esp

Dwarvenbikini.esp

fox52 Armor.esp

fox53 Armor.esp

fox54 Armor.esp

fox55 Armor.esp

Tropicalpack.esp

Gim Boots.esp

SSAssist_Tools.esp

AP Eyes.esp

LindsHumanEyes.esp

DragonboneBarbarianArmor.esp

Ancient Skyforge Armor.esp

BFPU Orcish Armor.esp

UNPB Barbarian Armor.esp

Veteran Nord Plate.esp

LeatherBikini.esp

simple omake clothes.esp

Notverigud Nordic Carved Bikini.esp

Osare Culort Outfit.esp

Sport Gear.esp

GiantClothArmor.esp

NightshadeSuit.esp

SC_WitchOfTheWilds.esp

Ebokini.esp

Leather Clothes.esp

BBD_CatsuitSpearhead.esp

famitsudlck.esp

EbonyValkyrie.esp

ParticleField.esp

adidas jacket.esp

SLbikini.esp

DAZ3D Pumps and Stocking.esp

Pink Princess Outfit.esp

KERESECollection.esp

Osare HotPants.esp

Darklilith.esp

RevampedDSArmor7B.esp

_ImoMegane.esp

Aradia Kato Outfit.esp

WT Tribal Clothe.esp

Hot Summer Bikini.esp

bonemoldweapons.esp

HDTTESTEarring.esp

Osare GothicLolita.esp

Osare Maid Outfit.esp

Neo's Mandu Armours.esp

Neo's Kitten.esp

Osare Swimsuit.esp

Osare Underwear.esp

SexyMix.esp

UNP Undies.esp

Sexy One-Piece.esp

FNIS.esp

Aradia Cross Armor.esp

Remodeled Armor - Merged.esp

FashionClothes.esp

XN_MicroBikini.esp

Northgirl.esp

GothiChix.esp

SlingArmor.esp

FacelightPlus.esp

Amb_SimaEffect.esp

1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp

DynDOLOD.esp

DesyncBirdsOfPrey.esp

HighHrothgarWindowGlow.esp

SolitudeExterior.esp

WhiterunExterior.esp

realrain.esp

XPMSE.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: INI files from MO, added some settings from STEP where they seemed to make sense

 

skyrim.ini

 

 

[General]

sLanguage = ENGLISH

uGridsToLoad = 5

fFlickeringLightDistance = 8192.00

 

[Display]

fDefault1stPersonFOV=70.59

fDefaultFOV=70.59

fDefaultWorldFOV=70.59

fShadowLODMaxStartFade = 1000.0

fSpecularLODMaxStartFade = 2000.0

fLightLODMaxStartFade = 3500.0000

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary = 2048

iPresentInterval = 0

bAllowScreenshot = 0

fSunShadowUpdateTime = 0.1000

fSunUpdateThreshold = 2.0000

iTexMipMapSkip = 0

 

[Audio]

fMusicDuckingSeconds = 6.0

fMusicUnDuckingSeconds = 8.0

fMenuModeFadeOutTime = 3.0

fMenuModeFadeInTime = 1.0

 

[Grass]

fGrassFadeRange=18000

bAllowCreateGrass = 1

bAllowLoadGrass = 0

iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure = 15

iMinGrassSize = 70

 

[GeneralWarnings]

SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning = One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.

 

[Archive]

sResourceArchiveList = Skyrim - Invalidation.bsa, Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa

sResourceArchiveList2 = Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa

bInvalidateOlderFiles =1

SInvalidationFile =

 

[Combat]

fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult = 0.0

fMagnetismLookingMult = 0.0

f1PArrowTiltUpAngle = 0.7

f3PArrowTiltUpAngle = 0.7

f1PBoltTiltUpAngle = 0.7

f3PBoltTiltUpAngle = 0.7

 

[Papyrus]

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS = 500.0

bEnableLogging = 0

bEnableTrace = 0

bLoadDebugInformation = 0

 

[Water]

bReflectLODObjects = 1

bReflectLODLand = 1

bReflectSky = 1

bReflectLODTrees = 1

 

[Camera]

fOverShoulderAddY = 0.0

fOverShoulderPosZ = -18.0 ; 18 for gameplay

fOverShoulderPosX = 0.0

fOverShoulderCombatAddY = 0.0

fOverShoulderCombatPosZ = 24.0

fOverShoulderCombatPosX = 0.0

fOverShoulderHorseAddY = -72.0

fOverShoulderHorsePosZ = 50.0

fOverShoulderHorsePosX = 35.0

fActorFadeOutLimit = -100

fMouseWheelZoomSpeed = 60.0

f1st3rdSwitchDelay = 0.95

iHorseTransitionMillis = 001

 

[Actor]

fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist = 12288.0000

 

 

 

 

 

skyrimprefs.ini

 

 

[General]

fBrightLightColorB = 1.0000

fBrightLightColorG = 1.0000

fBrightLightColorR = 1.0000

iStoryManagerLoggingEvent =-1

bEnableStoryManagerLogging =0

 

[imagespace]

bDoDepthOfField =1

iRadialBlurLevel = 2

bDoRadialBlur = 0

 

[Display]

iPresentInterval = 0

iBlurDeferredShadowMask =5

fInteriorShadowDistance =3000.0000

fShadowDistance =8000.0000

iShadowMapResolutionSecondary = 1024

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary = 2048

iShadowSplitCount = 2

iMaxAnisotropy =0

fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd =4600.0000

fLeafAnimDampenDistStart =3600.0000

fTreesMidLODSwitchDist =10000000.0000

fGamma =1.0000

fDecalLOD2 =1500.0000

fDecalLOD1 =1000.0000

fSpecularLODStartFade =2000.0000

fShadowLODStartFade =200.0000

fLightLODStartFade =3500.0000

iTexMipMapMinimum =0

iTexMipMapSkip =0

iWaterMultiSamples =0

iMultiSample =0

iShadowMode =3

bTreesReceiveShadows =1

bDrawLandShadows =1

bFull Screen =1

iSize H =2160

iSize W =3840

fMeshLODFadePercentDefault =1.2000

fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault =256.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance =2048.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance =2844.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist =10000000.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist =10000000.0000

iScreenShotIndex =6

bShadowMaskZPrepass =0

bMainZPrepass =0

iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame =150

iMaxDecalsPerFrame =800

bFloatPointRenderTarget =1

bShadowsOnGrass =1

sD3DDevice = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980"

bFXAAEnabled =0

iShadowMapResolution =4096

fShadowBiasScale =0.1500

iShadowMaskQuarter =4

iAdapter = 0

iShadowFilter =4

bTransparencyMultisampling =0

bDeferredShadows =1

bDrawShadows =1

 

[Grass]

b30GrassVS =0

fGrassStartFadeDistance =7000.0000

fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance =7000.0000

fGrassMinStartFadeDistance =0.0000

 

[MAIN]

bGamepadEnable =0

bCrosshairEnabled =1

fHUDOpacity =1.0000

bSaveOnPause =0

bSaveOnTravel =0

bSaveOnWait =0

bSaveOnRest =0

fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=600000.0000

; fSkyCellRefFadeDistance =250000.0000

 

[GamePlay]

bShowFloatingQuestMarkers =1

bShowQuestMarkers =1

iDifficulty =2

 

[interface]

bDialogueSubtitles =0

bGeneralSubtitles =0

fMouseCursorSpeed =1.0000

bShowCompass =1

 

[Controls]

fGamepadHeadingSensitivity =1.0000

fMouseHeadingSensitivity =0.0180

bAlwaysRunByDefault =1

bInvertYValues =1

bGamePadRumble =1

bMouseAcceleration = 0

bUseKinect =0

 

[Particles]

iMaxDesired =750

 

[saveGame]

fAutosaveEveryXMins =15.0000

bDisableAutoSave = 1

 

[AudioMenu]

fAudioMasterVolume =0.1500

fVal7 =1.0000

uID7 =1510154421

fVal6 =1.0000

uID6 =1510154418

fVal5 =1.0000

uID5 =1510155800

fVal4 =1.0000

uID4 =1510154422

fVal3 =1.0000

uID3 =94881

fVal2 =0.0000

uID2 =466532

fVal1 =1.0000

uID1 =554685

fVal0 =0.8000

uID0 =1007612

 

[Clouds]

fCloudLevel2Distance =262144.0000

fCloudLevel1Distance =32768.0000

fCloudLevel0Distance =16384.0000

fCloudNearFadeDistance =9000.0000

 

[TerrainManager]

fTreeLoadDistance =75000.0000

fBlockMaximumDistance =250000.0000

fBlockLevel1Distance =70000.0000

fBlockLevel0Distance =35000.0000

fSplitDistanceMult =1.5000

bShowLODInEditor =0

 

[NavMesh]

fObstacleAlpha = 0.5000

fCoverSideHighAlpha = 0.8000

fCoverSideLowAlpha = 0.6500

fEdgeFullAlpha = 1.0000

fEdgeHighAlpha = 0.7500

fEdgeLowAlpha = 0.5000

fTriangleFullAlpha = 0.7000

fTriangleHighAlpha = 0.3500

fTriangleLowAlpha = 0.2000

fLedgeBoxHalfHeight = 25.0000

fEdgeDistFromVert = 10.0000

fEdgeThickness = 10.0000

fPointSize = 2.5000

 

[Trees]

bRenderSkinnedTrees =1

uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender =200

 

[Decals]

uMaxDecals =1000

bDecals = 1

bSkinnedDecals = 1

uMaxSkinDecals = 100

uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor = 60

 

[LOD]

fLODFadeOutMultObjects =15.0000

fLODFadeOutMultItems =15.0000

fLODFadeOutMultActors =15.0000

fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell =1.0000

 

[Launcher]

bEnableFileSelection = 1

bShowAllResolutions = 1

uLastAspectRatio = 3

 

[blurShaderHDR]

bDoHighDynamicRange = 1

 

[blurShader]

bUseBlurShader = 0

 

[Water]

;iWaterReflectHeight =1024

;iWaterReflectWidth =1024

;bUseWaterDisplacements =1

;bUseWaterRefractions =1

;bUseWaterReflections =1

;bUseWaterDepth =1

 

iWaterReflectHeight=512

iWaterReflectWidth=512

bUseWaterDisplacements=1

bUseWaterRefractions=1

bUseWaterReflections=1

bUseWaterDepth=1

 

 

 

[Naked Ekans]

Hmm, the majority of your mods are armors, accessories, etc. I honestly don't see what could be the cause.

Did you updated XPMSE recently? I think it was the last mod I updated prior to this, but I don't know if or how XPMSE could interfere with the camera.

 

 

By the way, one thing I noticed is that you have both facelight and facelight plus on your load order, and the last version of plus don't require the original mod.

[guk]

Alright XPMSE was a good lead, searching in the comments shows FNIS 6+ being the source of this bug. Supposedly XPMSE contains a workaround, but apparently it's no longer functional. May have to roll back a couple of versions until this is gone; although i currently have 3.90 installed and there was a 3.91 update last month.

 

I'll post again once i figure out which version works.