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Wonder Body, what's your opinion about it pro and con?

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I wasn't implying that CBBE is bad by default, far from it -- I was just going of by the majority of screenshots I see in here. Not bashing people who use CBBE, either, just the portion that rages because "another body is worthless", etc.

A body with different UV means that a large amount of mods, mostly tatoo and outfits, should make two version to support it

 

Shape?beautiful? Totally worthless

 

 

But it uses a vanilla UV, so it's not really extra work for people who already provide both vanilla and CBBE version.

 

It really isn't up to you to decide which mods are worthless for people and which aren't. Get off your high horse.
 


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Every mesh has to be triangle to enter the game, simple... The original mesh could not have triangles, but in the game they have, and this is not good sometimes, really don't know how this could be something to admire...

 

For CBBE, i work a lot with it already to know that the mesh itself have some problems, not huge ones, the mesh work, but everytime i will work with cbbe i have to change all the topology or i will go crazy, no big deal.

 

But back to the wonder body, i respect the work the guy put on this, but i just think this don't bring nothing to the community, a community that don't have so much attention now, they could have done something much better... much better... and spending the same time or less. And what i mean by that is.

 

Could remake the topology of CBBE, fix the symetry and cut some small polys that just give problems (something that no one care, but he cares)

Could made all this nice texture for CBBE UV.

Could make a full body slider for this new topology CBBE (is faster them make a new body)

Could release the meshes with dismemberment, if anyone wants to go for bodyslide, loose this

 

Doing this, this body would ADD to the community, the way it is now, i pass.


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But it uses a vanilla UV, so it's not really extra work for people who already provide both vanilla and CBBE version.
 
It really isn't up to you to decide which mods are worthless for people and which aren't. Get off your high horse.


FO4-CBBE release earlier than evb, and for outfit modders it was the only nude baseshape for making outfits

So the vanilla UV isn't that "vanilla" as most people think

Every mesh has to be triangle to enter the game, simple... The original mesh could not have triangles, but in the game they have, and this is not good sometimes, really don't know how this could be something to admire...

 

For CBBE, i work a lot with it already to know that the mesh itself have some problems, not huge ones, the mesh work, but everytime i will work with cbbe i have to change all the topology or i will go crazy, no big deal.

 

But back to the wonder body, i respect the work the guy put on this, but i just think this don't bring nothing to the community, a community that don't have so much attention now, they could have done something much better... much better... and spending the same time or less. And what i mean by that is.

 

Could remake the topology of CBBE, fix the symetry and cut some small polys that just give problems (something that no one care, but he cares)

Could made all this nice texture for CBBE UV.

Could make a full body slider for this new topology CBBE (is faster them make a new body)

Could release the meshes with dismemberment, if anyone wants to go for bodyslide, loose this

 

Doing this, this body would ADD to the community, the way it is now, i pass.

 

Alan has made the FFB body with these features

 

Using the CBBE UV (OK, mostly except the feet)

 

And we also have atomic beauty


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But it uses a vanilla UV, so it's not really extra work for people who already provide both vanilla and CBBE version.
 
It really isn't up to you to decide which mods are worthless for people and which aren't. Get off your high horse.


FO4-CBBE release earlier than evb, and for outfit modders it was the only nude baseshape for making outfits

So the vanilla UV isn't that "vanilla" as most people think

Every mesh has to be triangle to enter the game, simple... The original mesh could not have triangles, but in the game they have, and this is not good sometimes, really don't know how this could be something to admire...

 

For CBBE, i work a lot with it already to know that the mesh itself have some problems, not huge ones, the mesh work, but everytime i will work with cbbe i have to change all the topology or i will go crazy, no big deal.

 

But back to the wonder body, i respect the work the guy put on this, but i just think this don't bring nothing to the community, a community that don't have so much attention now, they could have done something much better... much better... and spending the same time or less. And what i mean by that is.

 

Could remake the topology of CBBE, fix the symetry and cut some small polys that just give problems (something that no one care, but he cares)

Could made all this nice texture for CBBE UV.

Could make a full body slider for this new topology CBBE (is faster them make a new body)

Could release the meshes with dismemberment, if anyone wants to go for bodyslide, loose this

 

Doing this, this body would ADD to the community, the way it is now, i pass.

 

Alan has made the FFB body with these features

 

Using the CBBE UV (OK, mostly except the feet)

 

And we also have atomic beauty

 

 

Exactly my point, why create a new universe if we can make our universe bigger? Atomic body does that, FFB make this too. They share a base, so is easy to modder make stuff, easy to make textures, we expand the content, not divide.


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Lack of easy customization options means I won't be using it. It looks good, but I don't see myself dropping CBBE for "a little better". CBBE is a known commodity and has been well-supported. If someone thinks CBBE is a "body monopoly" then they are likewise able to go use something else. People have their reasons for not adopting YET ANOTHER body. The reason I think most people use a body mod is so they can change what the body looks like. Not having that functionality out of the gate is likely going to hinder adoption of this body except for the small set of people who determine the body as-is is their own "ideal" body proportion.

 

The Fallout 4 modding community is already far behind Skyrim and introducing fragmentation does nothing to help that. Make the body easily compatible with BodySlide and it would probably have much greater success and allow for a more unified modding front.


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I am also in the "There is no need for more than one body mod" camp. I don't get why people feel the need to release more body mods that are going to be irrelevant at best, and at worst split up the community Skyrim-style, wasting a lot of people's time making conversions.

And releasing a body mod without customization in this time and age spontaneous makes me think about the stone age. No idea why.


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What splits the community more I feel is the unnecessary hate.

The author may never read this thread, but if they did, they might be likely to pack up and go. FO4 already has few modders as it is.

 

It's pretty damn good looking. It doesn't come with all the bells and whistles, but CBBE had to start from somewhere too. It's really unfair not giving newcomers a chance. Not to speak for Cal, but you can imagine we might not have bodyslide or other great mods if we constantly shit on modders like this.


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I actually uninstalled EVB and started a new game to try out this body mod and quite frankly I'm glad I did.

 

I've been modding since Neverwinter Nights and Morrowind and quite frankly only having one body mod sucks.

 

With Oblivion I was thankful that Robert decided to make a female body mod even though there was already two

other body replacers available because it added variety.

 

UNP and it's variations were pretty much the standard with FO3/New Vegas only because the other two replacer mods

fizzled out early on.

 

Skyrim had at least four body replacers all with good support and without the "there should only be one mod" rhetoric.

 

 

 To each their own I say. If you like CBBE then go support that body but show a little common courtesy by not trolling other body mod threads

because they don't  fit your playstyle.

 

 


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Author of new body mod: Greetings my friends, good day for all of you! I want present to you a new body mod! I make it with love and peace!

 

Modern player #1: WAT, no custumization in 2016!? You suck!

Modern player #2: No bodyslide heh... You want to split out a dying mod community?

Modern player #3: OMYGOD!!! So lacking of costumization! OMYGOD!

Modern player #4: This mod is ok... but, this mod gonna die in two days, you will see...

Modern player #5: SRSLY?! Is just a %$#@ vanilla replacer, with no options! What is this, stone age?!

Modern player #6: HAHAHAHAHAHA! You so bad! This mod suck my balls!

Modern player #7: You heretic!!! How dare you to make this blasphemy!!! I will burn you in righteous fire! Praise the xxxx!!!

 

-1 mods creator


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I love the Wonderbody. However, I don't use it, for the simple reason that there are very few mod outfits for it.

I don't really care for Bodyslide, and rather see it gone altogether. Bodyslide just complicates modding, I'm not really fond of having to push every outfit through an external program to make it fit right. No, I don't give a fuck about massive tits or arses. I'm obviously not a fan of Kim Kardassian either, no. So about 90% of the features of Bodyslide aren't only a waste to me, it's worse thatn that: they only further complicate customization.


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I actually uninstalled EVB and started a new game to try out this body mod and quite frankly I'm glad I did.

 

I've been modding since Neverwinter Nights and Morrowind and quite frankly only having one body mod sucks.

 

With Oblivion I was thankful that Robert decided to make a female body mod even though there was already two

other body replacers available because it added variety.

 

UNP and it's variations were pretty much the standard with FO3/New Vegas only because the other two replacer mods

fizzled out early on.

 

Skyrim had at least four body replacers all with good support and without the "there should only be one mod" rhetoric.

 

 

 To each their own I say. If you like CBBE then go support that body but show a little common courtesy by not trolling other body mod threads

because they don't  fit your playstyle.

 

"Body War " is a word from the skyrim section from a post of UUNP 1 year ago

 

And Skyrim only have 2 well supported bodytypes, which are acturally supported by 1 team.
 


Author of new body mod: Greetings my friends, good day for all of you! I want present to you a new body mod! I make it with love and peace!

 

Modern player #1: WAT, no custumization in 2016!? You suck!

Modern player #2: No bodyslide heh... You want to split out a dying mod community?

Modern player #3: OMYGOD!!! So lacking of costumization! OMYGOD!

Modern player #4: This mod is ok... but, this mod gonna die in two days, you will see...

Modern player #5: SRSLY?! Is just a %$#@ vanilla replacer, with no options! What is this, stone age?!

Modern player #6: HAHAHAHAHAHA! You so bad! This mod suck my balls!

Modern player #7: You heretic!!! How dare you to make this blasphemy!!! I will burn you in righteous fire! Praise the xxxx!!!

 

-1 mods creator

 

Author of new outfit mod: Greetings my friends, good day for all of you! I want present to you a new outfit mod! I make it with love and peace!

 

Elder player #1: WAT, a cbbe version? any unp conversion?

Elder player #2: what about UNPB?

Elder player #3: 7B would be better! especially bombshell!

Elder player #4: ADEC please?

Elder player #5: uh...without high heels?

 

-1 mods creator

 

 

 

It's not a joke, but something I've seen.


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why create a new universe if we can make our universe bigger?

 

Because not everybody wants to be part of that universe? Because some people would happily cross into a neighbouring universe that they personally find more appealing if the possibility arose? Because not everyone in the world likes the same things?

 

It's a bit like saying I like Windows, so OSX and Linux shouldn't be allowed to exist. Having them there means some talented developers who could be working on Windows work on them instead, when I want all the talent working on my chosen system. Therefore, those other systems should be closed down. The people who make them should move to Windows, whether they want to or not. The people who use those systems should be forced to use Windows, whether they want to or not.

 

I apologise for quoting you, ralfetas, because this isn't aimed at you personally. I just find this "there can be only one" viewpoint when it comes to body replacers a bit baffling. And if somehow Wonder Body grew to become the dominant body threatening a monopoly at the expense of CBBE I'd be making the exact same argument. I haven't decided yet if I'm going to go CBBE or WB in the end, they're both very good in some similar and some different ways, but I'm very happy that I have a choice about it. Choice is surely a good thing?


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why create a new universe if we can make our universe bigger?

 

Because not everybody wants to be part of that universe? Because some people would happily cross into a neighbouring universe that they personally find more appealing if the possibility arose? Because not everyone in the world likes the same things?

 

It's a bit like saying I like Windows, so OSX and Linux shouldn't be allowed to exist. Having them there means some talented developers who could be working on Windows work on them instead, when I want all the talent working on my chosen system. Therefore, those other systems should be closed down. The people who make them should move to Windows, whether they want to or not. The people who use those systems should be forced to use Windows, whether they want to or not.

 

I apologise for quoting you, ralfetas, because this isn't aimed at you personally. I just find this "there can be only one" viewpoint when it comes to body replacers a bit baffling. And if somehow Wonder Body grew to become the dominant body threatening a monopoly at the expense of CBBE I'd be making the exact same argument. I haven't decided yet if I'm going to go CBBE or WB in the end, they're both very good in some similar and some different ways, but I'm very happy that I have a choice about it. Choice is surely a good thing?

 

 

Damn F4SE, why not make something different?

AWKCR is junk, let's take it over!

UF4P should have more features! I want to make another one! You guys should now obay my rules!

 

Choice is surly a good thing, right?


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Choice is surly a good thing, right?

 

Why yes, sir or madam. Yes indeed I believe choice is surely a good thing. I also believe the mods you mentioned are great mods, just as CBBE is a great mod. Doesn't alter the fact that choice is a good thing.


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Choice is always a good thing as long as it is not accompanied by manipulative propaganda, to kindly pick this or that to become hip that is. And hip is still the opposite of outdated for most players, even to the vast majority whose chars, often from sheer fear to blunder, never ever see the icy-cold daylight in the screenshot sections of the leading forums in the scene. Indeed, there one might easily end up with just a few thumbs up or even none (without the totally misleading pay-to-win snowball endorsement effect), and that's not exactly what one is perhaps hoping for. To those many players that play hidden from the public eye anyway I'd say that nobody gives two figs about your personal choice, the game as such remains what it was from the beginning - a game for one. So feel free to drive whatever you want and give those who simply can't resist to school ya the finger, if necessary.

Have fun!
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why create a new universe if we can make our universe bigger?

 

Because not everybody wants to be part of that universe? Because some people would happily cross into a neighbouring universe that they personally find more appealing if the possibility arose? Because not everyone in the world likes the same things?

 

It's a bit like saying I like Windows, so OSX and Linux shouldn't be allowed to exist. Having them there means some talented developers who could be working on Windows work on them instead, when I want all the talent working on my chosen system. Therefore, those other systems should be closed down. The people who make them should move to Windows, whether they want to or not. The people who use those systems should be forced to use Windows, whether they want to or not.

 

I apologise for quoting you, ralfetas, because this isn't aimed at you personally. I just find this "there can be only one" viewpoint when it comes to body replacers a bit baffling. And if somehow Wonder Body grew to become the dominant body threatening a monopoly at the expense of CBBE I'd be making the exact same argument. I haven't decided yet if I'm going to go CBBE or WB in the end, they're both very good in some similar and some different ways, but I'm very happy that I have a choice about it. Choice is surely a good thing?

 

 

No need to apologise! In fact, i read my text again, and i think i was not clear about my point, so i will quote you! :)

 

Options are good, is fun, but like you said about windows osx etc... Apple giveup on IBM CPU's and go to Intel CPU's, with this we can have apple with better softwares, back in the day i have to find people who knows ASP, now everyone knows PHP, i could point lots of examples, but language barrier will not help.

 

What i see is a huge work that goes to nothing... Is not about shape, is technical. Is not about CBBE being the master of bodys, we have others, like poeple point here, atomic, ffb etc...

 

But of course, if give a choice to have no choice is a choice, ok, this body is that...

 

Is terrible this, fo4 modding community is so tiny now, everyone is on the back to skyrim hype, that i could beg for a ground breaking mod for fo4, and this body could be that.

 

Just a PS: Personal opinion, this body looks like a fridge, my wife is much hot them that and she is real.


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~snip~

 

Thanks for the reply! And I do understand what you mean. It does feel like fo4 modding is neglected, either because Skyrim is drawing modders' attention away or because many simply don't have an interest in making mods for it in the first place. That's a good reason for you to want a new ground breaking mod, and I share that wish as well. It's also a good reason to welcome a mod which - while it may not be ground breaking - is giving another choice and adding some diversity. It's completely understandable that not everyone will be interested in that new option, it's just a pity that some people who don't like it seem determined that no one else should like it either. After you clarified what you meant, I can see you're not one of those, so again, apologies for picking you to quote!

 

I was just concerned - as others clearly are - that if modders are "welcomed" with comments suggesting they shouldn't have bothered at all it won't encourage the fo4 scene to grow.

 

Anyway, I'm going back to playing and enjoying the game as best I can. Thanks!


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best body so far love it


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you all sounds like a bunch of lil kids, i never saw my npc when playing so vanilla is the only real body, or do you all get a hard 1 looking at your fat ass big boobed npc in skimpy clothing ?

 

Really??? In LoversLab, the house of sextec, the forum were all the sex mods born, you say that?

 

I love the big fat semi nude ass of my character, but i don't get hard because of that, i like that because i like to see nice things, and a big fat ass is a nice thing for me, simple as that, is just a game.


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I actually uninstalled EVB and started a new game to try out this body mod and quite frankly I'm glad I did.

 

I've been modding since Neverwinter Nights and Morrowind and quite frankly only having one body mod sucks.

 

With Oblivion I was thankful that Robert decided to make a female body mod even though there was already two

other body replacers available because it added variety.

 

UNP and it's variations were pretty much the standard with FO3/New Vegas only because the other two replacer mods

fizzled out early on.

 

Skyrim had at least four body replacers all with good support and without the "there should only be one mod" rhetoric.

 

 

 To each their own I say. If you like CBBE then go support that body but show a little common courtesy by not trolling other body mod threads

because they don't  fit your playstyle.

 

"Body War " is a word from the skyrim section from a post of UUNP 1 year ago

 

And Skyrim only have 2 well supported bodytypes, which are acturally supported by 1 team.
 

 

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Funny that I did not use the words "Body war" in my reply but here's a little history for you....the words Body Wars were used in a thread on the old Better Bodies forum after

 

the release of Oblivion over which modder would be making the replacement for Better Bodies in Oblivion.

 

Turned out to be quite the fun little drama fest. And that was long before whatever post your referring to.

 

 

First off a well supported body mod is any body that has vanilla clothes/armor converted to work with.  Third party clothing/armor mods are optional not required.

 

Dimon99's UNP worked fine out of the box so I will not count bodyslide variations as separate body replacer......so unless your "team" also created and fully supported Petrovich's Dream Girl or maybe the Demonica body mod???

 

That would make three and including CBBE that makes ...........four.

 

 


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