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I have encountered a rather bizarre (I am assuming) mod conflict somewhere in my modded Skyrim.  I use a combination of Sexlab mods and other game improvement mods, so Sexlab is about the most game affecting mod I believe and so I came to ask the community if anyone has posted in the past about any issues with PC's having no ability to sneak whatsoever.  Even beyond that problem, I found that sneaking actually has the opposite effect when I am around hostile NPC's, such as I am far enough away from the NPC's for them not to be aware of my presence yet (nothing to do with sneaking), and yet as soon as I crouch or sneak they automatically spin around and chase me as though crouching put a big spotlight on my character along with a loud siren popping out of the character's ass, even HNPC's that don't have LOS detect me when I do this.  I have never seen this before and I have gone so far as to disable any unessential mod that pertains to player detection.  I use SkyRe and have run the Reproccer to no avail, and so short of troubleshooting every mod, I am out of ideas as to why it is impossible for this particular character to sneak at all.  My guess would be some sort of cloak effect is in a sense affecting all the NPC's around, but that is as far as I can imagine it right now.

I am running 150+ mods with SkyRe, EEO, SLAR, some creature mods (but not Aroused Creatures), and a bevy of immersion mods.  If anyone has seen this before, please help me fix this, because in a way it IS game breaking, but not entirely.

 

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That's my very long load order!  =1 means Active =0 means Inactive

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Just don't start senaking in front of the NPCs you want to approach while sneaking. And sneaking without having cover at all doesn't mean you're invisible. (Actually I don't know HOW exactly the game handles sneaking, but NPCs would detect me often enough as soon as I come into their range. They'd just turn around and attack or running towards me to attack. That doesn't happen through, if I seek cover, behind a rock or a barrel. On top of that, I suck at sneaking anyway. My skill is pretty low.)

 

As for your initial problem: I've never heard of something like that before. 

I know that a certain SL related mod adds a special menu option if you try looting a humanoid corpse while sneaking, but I can't find it in your load order, and like I said, I've never heard of something like that happen. :( 

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Just don't start senaking in front of the NPCs you want to approach while sneaking. And sneaking without having cover at all doesn't mean you're invisible. (Actually I don't know HOW exactly the game handles sneaking, but NPCs would detect me often enough as soon as I come into their range. They'd just turn around and attack or running towards me to attack. That doesn't happen through, if I seek cover, behind a rock or a barrel. On top of that, I suck at sneaking anyway. My skill is pretty low.)

 

As for your initial problem: I've never heard of something like that before. 

I know that a certain SL related mod adds a special menu option if you try looting a humanoid corpse while sneaking, but I can't find it in your load order, and like I said, I've never heard of something like that happen. :( 

 

Even if I start sneaking beforehand, I never even get a "What was that?" with a slightly open eye, or any chance at a preemptive strike because as soon as I enter a certain "range" I get detected automatically, and the range is pretty darn far, about 100 feet or more.  I am serious when I say that I CANNOT sneak, PERIOD, and this is what is game breaking about this little glitch.

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Just don't start senaking in front of the NPCs you want to approach while sneaking. And sneaking without having cover at all doesn't mean you're invisible. (Actually I don't know HOW exactly the game handles sneaking, but NPCs would detect me often enough as soon as I come into their range. They'd just turn around and attack or running towards me to attack. That doesn't happen through, if I seek cover, behind a rock or a barrel. On top of that, I suck at sneaking anyway. My skill is pretty low.)

 

As for your initial problem: I've never heard of something like that before. 

I know that a certain SL related mod adds a special menu option if you try looting a humanoid corpse while sneaking, but I can't find it in your load order, and like I said, I've never heard of something like that happen. :( 

 

Even if I start sneaking beforehand, I never even get a "What was that?" with a slightly open eye, or any chance at a preemptive strike because as soon as I enter a certain "range" I get detected automatically, and the range is pretty darn far, about 100 feet or more.  I am serious when I say that I CANNOT sneak, PERIOD, and this is what is game breaking about this little glitch.

 

 

 

 

Yupp, their range is quite huge. I just checked back again, I can definitely sneak if I have some sort of cover. I can even sneak up to someone's back and kill him. :D (In one of 10 attempts maybe.) 

 

I'm also using real flying mod, which uses the sneak key to lower altitude, which sometimes gets me stuck in sneakmode, although I'm standing and walking normally. Off course I'll be detected right away. That is until I exit sneakmode and re-enter it again. And I can't assign another button for the flying mod. I haven't checked if I could change the sneak key instead or if the function is tied to the actual sneaking itself, as every single button of my keyboard is assigned to some mod.

 

tl;dr: Have you checked every MCM menu, if there's something using the same key your sneaking does and maybe prevents it to work properly? If you install a mod that already has buttons assigned to it, you won't get a warning, as if you'd try to assign a button that is already taken by the game or another mod. And if different actions use the same button either neither of them works, or only one does, while the other doesn't. 

 

Yup, sounds stupid, but that's all I could imagine. :o

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Probably fucked up sneaking-related GameSettings.

From my experience, perma tends to mess with some variables from other mods in some weird conditions.

 

And that's what Reproccer is supposed to fix, but sadly not here :(

 

 

 

Just don't start senaking in front of the NPCs you want to approach while sneaking. And sneaking without having cover at all doesn't mean you're invisible. (Actually I don't know HOW exactly the game handles sneaking, but NPCs would detect me often enough as soon as I come into their range. They'd just turn around and attack or running towards me to attack. That doesn't happen through, if I seek cover, behind a rock or a barrel. On top of that, I suck at sneaking anyway. My skill is pretty low.)

 

As for your initial problem: I've never heard of something like that before. 

I know that a certain SL related mod adds a special menu option if you try looting a humanoid corpse while sneaking, but I can't find it in your load order, and like I said, I've never heard of something like that happen. :( 

 

Even if I start sneaking beforehand, I never even get a "What was that?" with a slightly open eye, or any chance at a preemptive strike because as soon as I enter a certain "range" I get detected automatically, and the range is pretty darn far, about 100 feet or more.  I am serious when I say that I CANNOT sneak, PERIOD, and this is what is game breaking about this little glitch.

 

 

 

 

Yupp, their range is quite huge. I just checked back again, I can definitely sneak if I have some sort of cover. I can even sneak up to someone's back and kill him. :D (In one of 10 attempts maybe.) 

 

I'm also using real flying mod, which uses the sneak key to lower altitude, which sometimes gets me stuck in sneakmode, although I'm standing and walking normally. Off course I'll be detected right away. That is until I exit sneakmode and re-enter it again. And I can't assign another button for the flying mod. I haven't checked if I could change the sneak key instead or if the function is tied to the actual sneaking itself, as every single button of my keyboard is assigned to some mod.

 

tl;dr: Have you checked every MCM menu, if there's something using the same key your sneaking does and maybe prevents it to work properly? If you install a mod that already has buttons assigned to it, you won't get a warning, as if you'd try to assign a button that is already taken by the game or another mod. And if different actions use the same button either neither of them works, or only one does, while the other doesn't. 

 

Yup, sounds stupid, but that's all I could imagine. :o

I just went back in and tested out some of my theories, and sure enough, I would get as close as I could to a HNPC without him noticing while not sneaking, running even and I could get to about 70 feet or so, and I would hit LCtrl (or in the case you mentioned with the buttons being mixed up which I thought of before you) and almost everyone within 100+ feet of me would be instantaneously aware of my presence.  Infuriating really... 

I also forgot to mention that sometimes it seems like there is an invisible force nearby that can "detect" me and will not allow me to even enter an undetected stealth mode, even though I might be in a dark corner with nothing around for at least a few hundred meters.

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Try installing SkyTweak and checking the settings at the Stealth tab, and maybe resetting them to the vanilla values.

 

I will try that later on since I am hesitant to install any more mods at the moment.  But this mod does look like a way too troubleshoot game mechanics and values from the inside which is nice.  Thanks for the tip.

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