Skyrim Prostitution: Why so insulting?

[Vyxenne]

Does anyone know of a Skyrim prostitution mod that doesn't go out of its way to gratuitously insult the player, or boast incessantly (and inanely) about "gallons of cum?"

 

I understand that some people like BDSM, and some males enjoy controlling, degrading and insulting females, but not all Skyrim+Sexlab players are male, and not even all males share that attitude. Also, sex workers (whores) and we promiscuous girls who just like sex a lot (sluts) have not always been looked down upon throughout history, even relatively recent history- check this out for an example: Courtesans.

 

Personally, I try to play my whore/slut the way Morena Baccarin played Inara Serra in Firely/Serenity:

 

 

I have gone through my current favorite prostitution mod (SLWG) and changed most of the dialogs to be more admiring (of my ass and attitudes) and much less insulting toward me, plus I have disabled the rape/forcible sex and creature animations in Sexlab, and that helps quite a bit, but I really wish there was a prostitution quest mod similar to RP that didn't treat the profession as a low-class, despicable way of life. Also, the rewards for various sex acts are insultingly low in SLWG and I don't know how to change that- surely, Inara Serra wasn't honking random dongs for 10 septims... I liked the way the rewards in RP increased as I gained proficiency in various acts, but I was never able to get RP quests to actually work properly.

 

So, does anybody know of a high-class prostitution mod for Skyrim? Alternatively, is anyone interested on making one?

[Parky]

I lost my virginity to a prostitute and I thank that lady to this day, when she found out it was my first time she spent some time teaching me how to please a woman. There are different classes of prostitutes with significantly different behaviours. the price they charge often reflects that. 

[Slammer64]

You know, of course that if you don't like how a mod handles things, you can go and change it yourself, otherwise, contact the mod developer and ask nicely if they will include those changes you want.

[Ashal]

Editing dialog for existing mods is real easy and doesn't take much modding know how. Just load it up in CK and edit the dialog set in the prostitution mods quest. Then ask the developer of the original if it's okay for you to release it for others to use, or if they'd like to include it as an extra patch in the official download.

 

If you find a mod lacking in a certain area, there is no faster or better way to make it happen than to do it yourself and give back to the community. Especially in this particular case, you don't need to create a whole prostitution mod yourself, just edit some lines of dialog to be more to your taste.

[Vyxenne]

You know, of course that if you don't like how a mod handles things, you can go and change it yourself

 

Sadly, I lack the skills to change much beyond the dialogs I already changed in SLWG, which is the only prostitution mod I have found so far that is pretty much stable and bug-free. However, SLWG doesn't have the prostitution quests my "ideal" mod would have, and creating quests is so far above my CK skill-level that I wouldn't dare to attempt it.

 

I tried RP (Tweaked), and it DOES have some nice prostitution quests, but it wasn't stable and had several unresolved "issues" for me and many others... and based on the current RP thread, that's still the case.

[Vyxenne]

Editing dialog for existing mods is real easy and doesn't take much modding know how. Just load it up in CK and edit the dialog set in the prostitution mods quest. Then ask the developer of the original if it's okay for you to release it for others to use, or if they'd like to include it as an extra patch in the official download.

 

If you find a mod lacking in a certain area, there is no faster or better way to make it happen than to do it yourself and give back to the community. Especially in this particular case, you don't need to create a whole prostitution mod yourself, just edit some lines of dialog to be more to your taste.

 

Hi, Ashal, and thanks for the reply. Not sure how I failed to convey this in my OP, but I have already done exactly what you described. No reply so far to the PM to the author wherein I uploaded the esp back to him a few days ago, but that's no big deal.

 

[germanicus]

I agree with you. I also like to treat prostitutes with respect, regardless of if it is my PC or NPC. So, I did change some or most dialogs in few mods that I'm using via Tes5edit.

[Yuni]

 

Editing dialog for existing mods is real easy and doesn't take much modding know how. Just load it up in CK and edit the dialog set in the prostitution mods quest. Then ask the developer of the original if it's okay for you to release it for others to use, or if they'd like to include it as an extra patch in the official download.

 

If you find a mod lacking in a certain area, there is no faster or better way to make it happen than to do it yourself and give back to the community. Especially in this particular case, you don't need to create a whole prostitution mod yourself, just edit some lines of dialog to be more to your taste.

 

Hi, Ashal, and thanks for the reply. Not sure how I failed to convey this in my OP, but I have already done exactly what you described. No reply so far to the PM to the author wherein I uploaded the esp back to him a few days ago, but that's no big deal.

 

 

 

Did you send a message to the ORIGINAL author of Radiant Prostitution, or korialstraszbob? Because the latter of the two is who you need to message. The original author of Radiant Prostitution abandoned it over a year ago now, I believe, and it is vastly out of date and nonfunctional. I can take a peek at the dialogue, or I WOULD... if the Radiant Prostitution Tweaked update by korialstraszbob wasn't also out of date by  now, and not updated since June.

 

If you're wondering how it's out of date, the Tweaked version uses an outdated version of JContainers that makes it nonfunctional with the new version, as it stopped updating before a big rewrite of Jcontainers. I think there might be a patch that makes it work with Sexlab 1.5 somewhere in the thread, but I don't know where it is, so I've been using TDF Agressive Prostitution.

 

Tell you what. I'm an up and coming modder, so if you can figure out how to get Tweaked to work, I can see if I can't poke around in the dialogue guts with a monkey wrench, and see if I can make the writing more positively oriented, or... ya know, more appreciative of the prostitute. I used to vastly prefer Tweaked to TDF because of the progression and ability to set the prices for individual sex acts, but without a patch (that might exist) or some kind of Jcontainers update, I can't use it. We'll both benefit.

 

Edit: Not to mention the fact that RP (Radiant Prostitution) has a feature where NPC's approach YOU for sex, which TDF does not. If there IS a patch for RP Tweaked, good luck finding it, because there are 121 pages in the support thread. I hope you do find it, if you go looking.

 

Edit 2: Sure Loverslab, make a fool out of me. It's on the most recent page. =I  Okay, I'll see if it works with the patch. If not... well not much I can do.

[Princessity]

I agree with this topic <3 That's one of the reasons I'm ignoring prostitution mods. That and the fact they're usually very huge and heavily scripted ^^

 

But I recently started liking the lightweight prostitution options in Cursed Loot. Kimy wrote a simple but comprehensive dialogue tree that allows you to roleplay your character in different ways and the mod as a whole is very configurable and you can tweak many aspects, including turning off the BDSM content completely. She's probably disappointed with me right now but I personally disabled all the cursed loot things and I'm just using it for adding devious key spawns to containers and as a way to earn extra monies when I'm bored. I still love you Kimy <3

 

Other than that there's also APPS which is nice because it doesn't force you into anything so if you don't like a potential client's attitude you can simply walk away. Or alternatively you can ignore the prostitution part and just play the fun waitress minigame ^^

 

(I noticed I've been ignoring the primary features of a lot of mods for a long time XD)

[zzz72w3r]

Latest version of TDF has implemented a courtesan rank.  The rank is for NPC and the role currently is not as flesh out as you like but the mod is still actively supported by the author and IMHO the most stable of the prostitution mods.  TDF implements prostitution more as an economy mod than pixel porn triggers so thematically it's the closest of making the sex trade a real profession, relatively speaking.  Maybe you can contribute dialogs to make courtesans more prestigious.  

 

If you are looking for a mod that allows PC to quest into a powerful, respected courtesan similar to some of the becoming-Jarl quest lines then I have not seen any and it's probably pretty difficult to make.  Don't know, not a modder.

 

EDIT: I've dropped little hints seeing if TDF will consider expanding his mod into something more guild-like but he does not want to make TDF more complicated than necessary so I don't think TDF will be going that direction.

[circ]

I don't know what BSM is. Of the whoring mods I've tried, none really went out of their way with dirty descriptions, although maybe I'm just desensitized because of a preference for dirtier descriptions.

 

Nothing really comes close to a more clinical, courtesan, sensual experience, but TDF has a reasonable amount of features compared to others and its dance feature didn't come with any particularly insulting comments that I can think of.

 

You could maybe suggest a new mod, or plug it to the prostitution mods that are active, wherein when doing your trade in Jarl's courts, the commentary is more refined. Although I'm not sure Skyrim can differentiate between interior locations to such an extent. Alternatively, I think there are a few mods that offer exchanging sex through dialogue though there's no currency changing hands usually, but until someone gets to work on a mod closer to what you have in mind, that might be an alternative.

[shinji72]

Regarding Radiant Prostitution, there have been quite a lot of people fixing it. Unfortunately the fixes are buried into the thread and not showing up in the mod description page. I think the most recent fix is this one made by CGI. (I even contributed a little... ehheheeh)

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/24450-radiantprostitution-tweaked/page-118?do=findComment&comment=997019

[nutluck]

First have to say, love Firefly.

 

Now with that said, I am all for a high end type of such mod. I am all for variety.

 

To be honest I am surprised no one has done a Holy Prostitute of Dibella style mod yet to be honest. Where they are treated and act similar to the way Companions where in Firefly.

[germanicus]

nutluck - you've right. Dibella mod is decent one and it rising the prostitution to, as you nicely said, to high sacred level.

[Fredas]

For what it's worth, I agree with the OP's sentiment about the control / abuse of women and degrading dialogue.  For me, it's a turnoff.  That said, mods exist in whatever iteration the author chooses to create, and for the most part, we should just thank them (or not) and move on.  (The exception to this rule is when their mod is the only one of its kind and its very existence is the reason why nobody else has made an alternative.  In that case, it's just bad luck.)

 

I'm iffy on the idea of changing a mod's intent.  Yes, you get a result that fits your tastes better, but I tend to value the "legitimacy factor" of an unaltered mod.  So I would say that the earlier suggestion of seeing if the author might make the changes himself is a good one.

 

[Bad Dog]

Try TDF. The description says it used to be "Aggressive Prostitution" but that doesn't describe it well. I'm also turned off by degrading dialog and this mod hasn't bothered me that way--in fact it seems fairly sex-positive. (E.g. something like, PC: "How'd you like to make us some money with that body?" NPC: "Sure, the gods didn't give me this sexy ass for nothing.")

[Vyxenne]

 

 

Editing dialog for existing mods is real easy and doesn't take much modding know how. Just load it up in CK and edit the dialog set in the prostitution mods quest. Then ask the developer of the original if it's okay for you to release it for others to use, or if they'd like to include it as an extra patch in the official download.

 

If you find a mod lacking in a certain area, there is no faster or better way to make it happen than to do it yourself and give back to the community. Especially in this particular case, you don't need to create a whole prostitution mod yourself, just edit some lines of dialog to be more to your taste.

 

Hi, Ashal, and thanks for the reply. Not sure how I failed to convey this in my OP, but I have already done exactly what you described. No reply so far to the PM to the author wherein I uploaded the esp back to him a few days ago, but that's no big deal.

 

 

 

Did you send a message to the ORIGINAL author of Radiant Prostitution, or korialstraszbob? Because the latter of the two is who you need to message. The original author of Radiant Prostitution abandoned it over a year ago now, I believe, and it is vastly out of date and nonfunctional. I can take a peek at the dialogue, or I WOULD... if the Radiant Prostitution Tweaked update by korialstraszbob wasn't also out of date by  now, and not updated since June.

 

If you're wondering how it's out of date, the Tweaked version uses an outdated version of JContainers that makes it nonfunctional with the new version, as it stopped updating before a big rewrite of Jcontainers. I think there might be a patch that makes it work with Sexlab 1.5 somewhere in the thread, but I don't know where it is, so I've been using TDF Agressive Prostitution.

 

Tell you what. I'm an up and coming modder, so if you can figure out how to get Tweaked to work, I can see if I can't poke around in the dialogue guts with a monkey wrench, and see if I can make the writing more positively oriented, or... ya know, more appreciative of the prostitute. I used to vastly prefer Tweaked to TDF because of the progression and ability to set the prices for individual sex acts, but without a patch (that might exist) or some kind of Jcontainers update, I can't use it. We'll both benefit.

 

Edit: Not to mention the fact that RP (Radiant Prostitution) has a feature where NPC's approach YOU for sex, which TDF does not. If there IS a patch for RP Tweaked, good luck finding it, because there are 121 pages in the support thread. I hope you do find it, if you go looking.

 

Edit 2: Sure Loverslab, make a fool out of me. It's on the most recent page. =I  Okay, I'll see if it works with the patch. If not... well not much I can do.

 

Hi Yuni, and thanks for replying.

 

When I said in my OP above that I had sent a PM to the mod author, I meant the author of SLWG, which is the only prostitution mod I've been using for the past several months. Back when I was trying to get RP (Tweaked) to actually work, I was quite active on that forum, and had several conversations with Korial, including some PMs. The problem for me was that the main interest there at that time was to add new features to RP on top of the buggy foundation as opposed to fixing the bugs/CTD's/Freezups first, then adding new features. And yes, I'm well aware of the JContainers issue and the abandonment of RP by its original author.

 

Yuni, I have already taught myself to modify dialogs in CK (didn't know you could do it in TES5Edit) and I have modified almost ALL of the dialogs in SLWG to be more in line with what you accurately characterized as "Respectful Prostitution." I'm sure I could do the same in RP (Tweaked), but quite frankly, getting it to run was pretty much a full-time occupation when I had it, and as you said, 121 pages in the Support topic... I just don't want to go there again at the moment- it was supremely frustrating for me.

 

I liked the quests and user-MCM-adjustable prices in RP a lot, and look forward to a day when RP just all works. I realize that it's a lot more complicated than SLWG, but SLWG just works and runs, no crashes, no lockups, and now that I've modded the dialogs in SLWG to suit my prostitution preferences, giving up that trouble-free performance for the quests and prices I like at the cost of constant "issues" just isn't for me any more. Been there, done that. If I could get RP to work, I could modify the dialogs myself, so thanks for the offer    , but not needed.

 

I'll go google "TDF" now, because I have no idea what you're talking about there...   Thanks again for your kind offer to help.

[Vyxenne]

First have to say, love Firefly.

 

Now with that said, I am all for a high end type of such mod. I am all for variety.

 

To be honest I am surprised no one has done a Holy Prostitute of Dibella style mod yet to be honest. Where they are treated and act similar to the way Companions where in Firefly.

 

Hey, Nutsack, long time no see!

 

YESSSS! I know this seems silly, but I carry around 8-10 Amulets of Dibella and Tavern Wench outfits (both texture-modded) so all my followers can have "the look" the minute I recruit them! I also steal Haelga's Statue of Dibella again and again (it respawns after a whikle) after that quest is done so I can put them all over my houses! There's another one in Mercer Frey's house that I make sure to pick up when I'm doing the Kill Mercer questline.

 

I heard about a Dibella prostitution mod in mid-2013, but all I could find about it was a wishful thread The Cult of Dibella and no word of any actual such mod. So we Firefly fans are not the only ones wanting a Dibella mod, nor is it a new idea.

 

[Vyxenne]

nutluck - you've right. Dibella mod is decent one and it rising the prostitution to, as you nicely said, to high sacred level.

Hey, Germanicus, good to see you again! Did you ever get RP (Tweaked) to work? You were one of the most persistent experimenters when I was last there.

 

Congratulations on your new girl- I see you now have seven lovelies adorning your sig bar!

[Vyxenne]

I don't know what BSM is.<snip>

Sorry, I meant to type BDSM- Bondage, Domination and Sado-Masochism. Definitely not to my taste, but to each his (or her) own.

[nutluck]

You are the only one that calls me that.

 

As for Dibella the Sisters one looks promising thought it is more about a quest to find out whats wrong with the sisters and why they have strayed from their path. Though after it is finished it might end up putting the sister back on a path similar to that. But the mod is still in the very early stages.

[germanicus]

 

nutluck - you've right. Dibella mod is decent one and it rising the prostitution to, as you nicely said, to high sacred level.

Hey, Germanicus, good to see you again! Did you ever get RP (Tweaked) to work? You were one of the most persistent experimenters when I was last there.

 

Congratulations on your new girl- I see you now have seven lovelies adorning your sig bar!

 

 

Good to see you too.

 

I stopped plying RP when it came to version where it conflicted with Jcontainers. Although CGI fixed the mod, I didn't install it since I was doing a lot of testing of other mods. I miss playing it thou.

 

Thank you for the compliments for my signature, I'm expecting two more, and that's it.

 

[mainfct]

Hi,

 

I agree with the OP on "why so insulting?". If you'd recall, my original RP dialogue was much milder and respectful, sometime humorous. Ironically, some complained that it was too mild. Kori had different tastes which is fine by me. When I let him carry the flag I didn't intend on policing. In any case, all the quests that run in the inns, the events and the home delivery job worked quite well as far as I'm concerned but I initially sort of took a tangent with the other radiant quests and some of them were too easy to break. That was a mistake. I'm not sure if that's what people called stability. RP is very stable but some of the advanced quest are too easily breakable.

 

In any case, I'm thinking of revisiting the concept of RP some time in the future and maybe the level of the prostitution would be more suitable to your taste. The following is not a promise, just things I think are missing or have gone astray and I want to fix them when I'll be able.

 

The first thing that is needed is a sort of sexlab wrapper that would let modders start a complex scene with dialogue in one line. The job of the wrapper would be as follows: Say you completed your quest (whatever it is), the damsel swoons and says: "Oh, a big hero like you deserves some special reward". The modder who wrote that line, instead of calling Sexlab.StartSex(blas bla bla) would call the Wrapper.StartSex(bla bla bla) which would then automatically prompt the player with generic and random dialogue for:

-where should we go

-what should we do

-let's do it here,

-(if prostitution) demand payment

-etc.

Depending on the parameter, I would add dialogue for consensual sex and for consensual prostitution sex. This whole thing wouldn't make much sense for forced sex. The advantage would be in consistency across mods and by adding many more complex option very simply. The wrapper would also make the whole thing much more simple to debug and expand. I think skyrimll also made a library of immersive dialogue which could be useful in such an endeavor.

 

With that in hand, I would then revisit the inn mechanics. The server quest is quite nice and Kori has had some good idea to bypass the limitation of the text replacement system. There is also the normal prostitution quest and I think the home visit was quite nice and was closer to the high-end escort idea. All in all, the central focus should be on the inn mechanics and city centric.

 

At least, that's my thinking atm. Again, not a promise, just thinking aloud.

 

MF

[Yuni]

 

I don't know what BSM is.<snip>

Sorry, I meant to type BDSM- Bondage, Domination and Sado-Masochism. Definitely not to my taste, but to each his (or her) own.

 

 

I quoted your post so it would ping you. Here's the third prostitution mod I was referring to~ http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/403-sexlab-tdf-prostitution-and-pimping-the-former-aggressive-prostitution-v2252/

[nutluck]

Hi,

 

lots of stuff

 

At least, that's my thinking atm. Again, not a promise, just thinking aloud.

 

MF

 

Since we are just thinking aloud here.

 

 

 

What I personally would like to see in addition to some of the stuff you mentioned is this. Is a system that covers the full spectrum. I mean in RL we have the low end street walkers, who do get treated like crap and poorly paid. On the other end is call girls or escorts, who are typically treated well and are very expensive.

 

So a system that tracked what the PC did and let them have a rank up in whore or companion(for lack of a better term escort). Ranking up in one would lower the rank of the other by half as much. So for example if you did a act that raised whore by 50 points it would also lower Companion by 25 points. As your characters earns a reputation for the type of prostitute they are.

 

Getting a paid job in a inn or for sister of dibella and doing one on one sex acts would slowly build up for companion ranks. Leading to better jobs, high end clients, parties, couples occasionally, paid date of a jarl to a fancy party etc. At first these would be fairly low paying but as ranks in companion go up pay would go up and the better jobs unlock that pay even more.

 

Taking a job in the inn and doing some of the other jobs, like be a party girl for a few guys at once. Taking any job just walking around aka on the street, these jobs would pay more at the start but pay never goes up as ranks in whore is gained. Only new jobs open up, be house entertainment, donkey(horse) show, being a peace offering to some local bandits or orc raiders etc. While the new jobs would pay more they wouldn't pay as much as the high end ones eventually pay.

 

They idea is taking the whore route is a way to quickly earn gold faster, but in the long run companion path would pay a lot more but take longer to gain ranks in and earn less till you get fairly far up the ranks. Then add in the temptation of anyone with companion ranks get a bonus for doing the special whore missions.

 

Anyways just thinking out loud with a system I would like to see that would cover both and let the Player decided how they want their character to be and even let circumstances change by what happens in the game.