Papyrus Help Needed! :)

FastestDogInTheDistrict · April 5, 2013

Hey there!

There've been a few threads lately about CTD's at or near startup, and various little quirks that seem to cause them.

This got me to thinking - I *do* get the odd seemingly random CTD at or near startup, but it seems to be just that, random. Sometimes it won't happen at all for days, then all of a sudden it happens five times in a row while trying to load-up my game.

I hadn't paid too much attention to it - it was occasional, and as far as I could tell at my end it wasn't really tied to any specific thing. It seemed to be the VRAM apparently taking a swift kick to the knackers as much as anything else ("VR freezing/VR thawing", etc.)

On the off-chance it might be something more serious which is gnawing on my savegames, I've attached a copy of my most recent Papyrus logs. If anyone who knows their stuff was able to take a very quick look at these & let me know if anything serious was up, I would be very grateful indeed! :huh:

(LOAD ORDER HERE IF NEEDED)

Papyrus Logs 0-3.rar

FastestDogInTheDistrict · April 6, 2013

... also - as far as I can tell, no master files are missing. As seen in the Papyrus logs above, sometimes a msg appears about this or that missing script, but as far as I can tell these are tangled-up with "Convenient Horses" which instructs the user to ignore "missing" warnings... :unsure:

FastestDogInTheDistrict · April 6, 2013

UPDATE: Just saw what others have lately been doing with Papyrus text, & it definitely makes it far more legible - here's a CTRL+V of a recent log:

[04/06/2013 - 07:53:36PM] Papyrus log opened (PC)
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:36PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms)
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:36PM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total)
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:42PM] Cannot open store for class "dlc1scwispwallscript", missing file?
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:43PM] Cannot open store for class "chherdingquestscript", missing file?
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:55PM] warning: Property DA05FuneralScene on script QF_DA05_0002A49A attached to DA05 (0002A49A) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:55PM] warning: Property CR08ExclusionFaction on script QF_DA05_0002A49A attached to DA05 (0002A49A) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:55PM] warning: Property pTG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script QF_TG05_00021551 attached to TG05 (00021551) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:55PM] warning: Property TG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script tg06questscript attached to TG06 (00021552) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:55PM] warning: Property DLC1VampireLordDisallow on script QF_VC01_0005C625 attached to VC01 (0005C625) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:55PM] warning: Property DLC1VampireChange on script QF_VC01_0005C625 attached to VC01 (0005C625) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:56PM] VM is freezing...
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:56PM] VM is frozen
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:56PM] Reverting game...
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:56PM] warning: Property pTG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script QF_TG05_00021551 attached to TG05 (00021551) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:56PM] warning: Property TG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script tg06questscript attached to TG06 (00021552) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:56PM] warning: Property DA05FuneralScene on script QF_DA05_0002A49A attached to DA05 (0002A49A) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:56PM] warning: Property CR08ExclusionFaction on script QF_DA05_0002A49A attached to DA05 (0002A49A) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:56PM] warning: Property DLC1VampireLordDisallow on script QF_VC01_0005C625 attached to VC01 (0005C625) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:53:56PM] warning: Property DLC1VampireChange on script QF_VC01_0005C625 attached to VC01 (0005C625) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:06PM] Loading game...
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:07PM] VM is thawing...
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] InitWidgetLoader()
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] ========== Convenient Horses: Scanning for supported plugins...
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] ========== ERRORS RELATED TO MISSING FILES SHOULD BE IGNORED!
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] Error: File "Dragonborn.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded.
stack:
   <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?
   [CH (2C020329)].chquestscript.GameLoaded() - "CHQuestScript.psc" Line 83
   [CH (2C020329)].chquestscript.OnUpdate() - "CHQuestScript.psc" Line 111
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] Error: File "Convenient Horse Herding.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.
stack:
   <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?
   [CH (2C020329)].chquestscript.GameLoaded() - "CHQuestScript.psc" Line 84
   [CH (2C020329)].chquestscript.OnUpdate() - "CHQuestScript.psc" Line 111
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] Error: File "HothFollower.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.
stack:
   <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?
   [CH (2C020329)].chquestscript.GameLoaded() - "CHQuestScript.psc" Line 86
   [CH (2C020329)].chquestscript.OnUpdate() - "CHQuestScript.psc" Line 111
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] Error: File "CompanionValfar.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.
stack:
   <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?
   [CH (2C020329)].chquestscript.GameLoaded() - "CHQuestScript.psc" Line 87
   [CH (2C020329)].chquestscript.OnUpdate() - "CHQuestScript.psc" Line 111
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] ========== Convenient Horses: Scan complete.
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] ========== Auto Unequip Ammo: Scanning for supported plugins...
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] ========== ERRORS RELATED TO MISSING FILES SHOULD BE IGNORED!
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] Error: File "Dragonborn.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded.
stack:
   <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?
   [AUA (2D00C6C2)].AUAQuestScript.GameLoaded() - "AUAQuestScript.psc" Line 39
   [AUA (2D00C6C2)].AUAQuestScript.OnUpdate() - "AUAQuestScript.psc" Line 73
[04/06/2013 - 07:54:08PM] ========== Auto Unequip Ammo: Scan complete.

*Load order link in OP.

cornbreadtm · April 6, 2013

Well, since I'm guess you haven't changed you load order lately I'm red flagging it as the problem. You should cause your papyrus log isn't showing any scripting errors that would cause CTDs but your messy load order does throw out some red flags.

So use BOSS and sort anything that's unrecognized by category. e.g. Put any unsorted clothing mods with the BOSS sorted ones and so on. Once that's done test it and if it still crashes. You get the fun task of removing esps since even clothing mods in a busted esp can cause crashes.

The easiest way to do it is to put in 50-70 esps that you already know are save (USKP, ect) and then play around in game. After that put in your clothing mods, since they tend to be small and not hurt anything if they're save. Then put in your riskier and global changing mods that effect more than just you player character like level list changes and such. Should be able to find the problem without to much trouble.

Have fun.

FastestDogInTheDistrict · April 7, 2013

Many thanks, Cornbread!

I have now uninstalled a few things which I wasn't 100% sure about, re-started, etc. I could not pin it down to anything specific, so I have opted for a full reinstall of the game. I junked the lot - the game, the saves, the mods (plus cache & everything else), .ini's, and the entire contents of my Skyrim folder except for screens, SKSE, and ENB. It's been a wobbly install from the start (latest S.T.E.P. guide - I think I'll stop using it), and I won't be sorry to see the back of it...

Just opened with pure Vanilla a short time ago. Weird thing is - I'm *still* getting those script errors. Here's a log:

[04/07/2013 - 12:41:02PM] Papyrus log opened (PC)
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:02PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms)
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:02PM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total)
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:13PM] Cannot open store for class "dlc1scwispwallscript", missing file?
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property DLC1VampireChangeEffect on script dlc1playervampirechangescript attached to DLC1PlayerVampireQuest (020071D0) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property MagicResistance50 on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property Necromancy on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property HackAndSlash60 on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property Bladesman60 on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property Bladesman90 on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property SavageStrike on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property MagicResistance30 on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property MageArmor30 on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property AugmentedFrost on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property MageArmor50 on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property WindWalker on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property HackAndSlash90 on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property DarkSouls on script DLC1SeranaLevelingScript attached to (02003BA8) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] warning: Property TG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script tg06questscript attached to TG06 (00021552) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] [DLC1VQ03ManageFactions <DLC1VQ03Hunter (020098CB)>]manage factions
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:17PM] [DLC1VQ03ManageFactions <DLC1VQ03Vampire (02004C3D)>]manage factions
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:24PM] DLC1: Starting DLC1 Initialization quest.
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:24PM] PATCH 1.5 QUEST HAS STARTED
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:24PM] PATCH 1.9 QUEST HAS STARTED
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:24PM] PATCH 1.6 QUEST HAS STARTED
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:24PM] error: (00033482): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
[ (00033482)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
[ (00033482)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line 26
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:28PM] PATCH 1.4 QUEST HAS STARTED
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:28PM] [DLC1_2StateActivatorWithGlobal < (02017D59)>]: SetOpen called with abOpen = False
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:28PM] Patch Script is working
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:28PM] RNPC: Initiating NPC mental model.
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:28PM] [DLC1InitScript <DLC1Init (02002C09)>]: appending explosive gas formlists
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:28PM] [DLC1InitScript <DLC1Init (02002C09)>]: [Form < (0200F1B5)>] is being added to list [FormList < (00082E17)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:28PM] [DLC1InitScript <DLC1Init (02002C09)>]: [Form < (0200F1B0)>] is being added to list [FormList < (00082E17)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:29PM] [DLC1InitScript <DLC1Init (02002C09)>]: [Form < (0200F1BA)>] is being added to list [FormList < (00082E17)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:29PM] [DLC1InitScript <DLC1Init (02002C09)>]: [Form < (0200F1B5)>] is being added to list [FormList < (00109E7B)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:41:58PM] RNPC: Periodic update check.
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:21PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (00100CD9)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0001363E)>] <> [ActorBase < (000B9E1D)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:21PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (00100CD9)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0001363F)>] <> [ActorBase < (000B9E1D)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:28PM] RNPC: Periodic update check.
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:51PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000654E5)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:51PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0001327E)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:53PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000B9E1D)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:55PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (001098A1)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:55PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000F778F)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:55PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000CD6BC)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:55PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (00047CBA)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:55PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000CD6BD)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:58PM] RNPC: Periodic update check.
[04/07/2013 - 12:42:59PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000B9E1D)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:01PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0002BF9D)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:01PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (00047CBA)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:01PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (00000007)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:02PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0004679A)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:02PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0001414D)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:05PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000654E5)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:06PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010660B)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0002BF9F)>] <> [ActorBase < (00032B94)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:28PM] RNPC: Periodic update check.
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:29PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (00084058)>] triggered by [Actor < (000A9DE7)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:38PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000C1F80)>] triggered by [Actor < (000A9DE7)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:41PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79E)>] triggered by [Actor < (000A9DE7)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:50PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000B9E1D)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:52PM] [DCL1VampireTurnPlayerScript <alias Player on quest DLC1VampireTurn (0200588C)>]OnLocationChange()
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:52PM] [dlc1radiantscript <DLC1Radiant (02004C1C)>]CreateQuestBasedOnLocation([Location < (00018A4A)>])
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:52PM] [dlc1radiantscript <DLC1Radiant (02004C1C)>]CreateQuestBasedOnLocation([Location < (00018A4A)>]) is NOT creating a quest: as Location is neither DLC1HunterHQLocation nor DLC1VampireCastleLocation
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:53PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000F778F)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:53PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (00047CBA)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:53PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (001098A1)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:53PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000CD6BD)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:53PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000CD6BC)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:58PM] RNPC: Periodic update check.
[04/07/2013 - 12:43:59PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (000B9E1D)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:01PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0002BF9D)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:01PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (00047CBA)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:02PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0001414D)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:02PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (00000007)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:02PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0004679A)>] <> [ActorBase < (000654E5)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:07PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000AA79D)>] triggered by [Actor < (000654E1)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:09PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000C1F83)>] triggered by [Actor < (000B9DF2)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:29PM] RNPC: Periodic update check.
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:30PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (000F7B4D)>] triggered by [Actor < (000B9DF2)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:34PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (00100CD9)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0001363E)>] <> [ActorBase < (000B9E1D)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:39PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (00100CD9)>] triggered by [Actor < (000B9DF2)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:44PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (00072A01)>] triggered by [Actor < (000B9DF2)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:44:59PM] RNPC: Periodic update check.
[04/07/2013 - 12:45:05PM] [defaultSetStageTRIGSpecificActor < (0010D966)>] didn't trigger for base actor [ActorBase < (0001327E)>] <> [ActorBase < (0002BF9F)>]
[04/07/2013 - 12:45:23PM] VM is freezing...
[04/07/2013 - 12:45:23PM] VM is frozen
[04/07/2013 - 12:45:23PM] Saving game...
[04/07/2013 - 12:45:23PM] VM is thawing...
[04/07/2013 - 12:45:29PM] RNPC: Periodic update check.
[04/07/2013 - 12:45:59PM] RNPC: Periodic update check.
[04/07/2013 - 01:51:43PM] VM is freezing...
[04/07/2013 - 01:51:43PM] VM is frozen

Load Order:

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

cornbreadtm · April 7, 2013

USKP fixes a lot of that. You have to realize that vanilla Skyrim is messy. Your going to see scripting errors and have a higher chance of quest scripts breaking without it.

I remember seeing those Serana scripts getting removed when I clean with TES5Edit.

FastestDogInTheDistrict · April 7, 2013

Ahh excellent - I hoped that might be it! many thanks, Cornbread!

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