Lovers Stupid

SquallPT · August 31, 2015

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  Lovers with PK.esm
03  LoversCreature.esm
04  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
05  Knights.esp
06  DMRA BBB Complete Clothing and Armor Replacer.esp
07  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
08  LivelyCities.esp
09  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96v5]
0A  ZAZHorseRidesYou.esp
0B  LoversStupidNpc.esp
0C  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
0D  LoversTachiCat2.esp
0E  LoversCreature.esp
0F  LoversHorseRider.esp
10  LL Nudes.esp
11  LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
12  LoversClubCatsSx.esp
13  MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
14  LoversRaperS.esp
15  LoversStalkerMN.esp
16  LoversImmoralSisters.esp
17  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]
18  Arena_Ring_V2.esp
19  VipCxj_HighHeels.esp
1A  MemPoserplug.esp
1B  VipCxjHHTest.esp
1C  Nephs Stock Shoes Real High Heels.esp  [Version 1.0]
1D  LoversHooker.esp  [Version 2.2]
1E  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp
1F  LoversSlaveTrader.esp
20  LSTBravilUnderground.esp
21  LSTaddonInH.esp
22  RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
23  BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp
24  LoversClubCats.esp
25  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
26  zzEstrus.esp
27  LoversMB2.esp
28  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
29  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

Damn lovers esp is way high, going to lower it

Can confirm that is someone from stupid. Got the message " sister regina is going to bruma ", went ahead, saved and after a while the game crashed.

Disabled stupid/enabled sisters nothing happens. Disabled sisters/enabled stupid, the game crashes.

Got a feeling that is that crazy group crashing my game. It's been a while that i have seen them, Regina is just a wild coicidence. Going to start a new game.

Edit: I give up, can´t pinpoint who it is giving the crashes and don't have the patience to find out, so i disabled this one and sisters. Thanks for the help, grega and fejeena

*fejeena* · August 31, 2015

Travel to Bruma ? and you are in Bravil and the game crashes ? Regina is in Cheydinhal when she travels to Bruma.

( IC Temple - Chorrol - Anvil- Skingrad - Gottlefont Priory - Bravil - Barbarian's Camp ( near Bravil) - Leyawiin - Chapel of Blankenmarch - Cheydinhal - Bruma - IC Temple )

Don't know what's wrong ?

I checked my old Sisters 1.03 esp with Tes4Edit, it's clean, no MBP entries.

I checked both Mods in CS: the vanilla X Markers used by LoversSisters are not used, renamed or moved by LoversStupid.

At one Point a Vanilla X Marker and a L.Stupid spawnPoint are very close together.

But Regina travels to other cities ,not teleport. The vanilla X Markers are for AI Packages. The X Marker in the Picture above is for wander Bruma exterior ( Radius 8192 ) so it should be no Problem if the X Marker is near the L.Stupid spawn Point.

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"so i disabled this one and sisters."

Why both ? thought the game does not crash with only Lovers Sisters active ?

And a question

you wrote "Disabled sisters/enabled stupid, the game crashes."

In what Situations crashed the game? Visit Bruma or Bravil ?

SquallPT · September 1, 2015

They are not the ones who are crashing my game, nevermind

SquallPT · September 6, 2015

I apologize to bring this up yet again, sadly still continue with the random crashes with stupid.

Even enabled only stupid and LAPF and still crashed. Then i got this idea " what if i disabled lovers esp ? " And for my surprise the crashes stopped

*fejeena* · September 6, 2015

?

Maybe not LAPF compatible ? I only translated the Mod ( dialogs and script Messages )

What the fuck are scripts...I don't know where and how I can check them if there is a problem with LAPF?

Sorry.

SquallPT · September 6, 2015

Almost kicking my screen

Going to do a manual instalation just to make sure, maybe stupid doesn't like mod organizer.

Edit: Nope it does the same.

Fejeena when i disable lovers, it gives this error

http://i.imgur.com/vWhYucB.jpg

*gregathit* · September 6, 2015

Start a new game without any lovers mods, fast travel and see if you still crash. My guess is this is something else.

If you don't crash, then add the LAPF only and see what happens fast traveling. If that works, then add lovers plugins one at a time until you start crashing.

*fejeena* · September 6, 2015

SquallPT: i tried to find the message box in the scripts.

In LAPF I can't find untranslated Messages in esm and esp also not in LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp. ( no scripts in LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp )

And nothing in the LoversStupid esp.

The only message box which mentions "xLovers with PK v1.4" and "Lovers with PK.esp" is one in the Lovers withPK esm

MessageBoxEx "~ xLovers with PK v1.4 ~%r%rLovers with PK.esp is not activated! Please read the instructions carefully and activate the esp."

And if you deactivate the Lovers with PK esp and try to play that seems the right error massage box.

??? Why is the message box untranslated ? Are you sure you use LAPF ? ( I also checked old Lovers Rev89 and Rev90 Versions and the massage box is translated)

LoversStupid only need the Lovers with PK.esm.

But without Lovers with PK.esp the Lovers with PK.esm will Display the above error massage box.

SquallPT · September 6, 2015

What if alternate start is messing things up ?

I mean that image i took is from where i start from imperial city when i make a new game. After a couple of seconds the npcs start to appear from the lighthouse.

Anyways going to do what Grega said.

Edit : LOL started a game only with this

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Lovers with PK.esm
02  LoversCreature.esm
03  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
04  LoversStupidNpc.esp
05  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96v5]
06  LoversMB2.esp
07  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
08  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

And it still crashes

Don't tell me it's the god damn shivering isles patch that is missing

Edit 2: Nope still crashes. Going to start a new game like the old ways, from the prison

*gregathit* · September 6, 2015

I'm using the same alternate start and I don't crash, so I don't think that is it. I recommend trying it, just to be sure anyway. My guess is there is something wrong in your meshes and textures. Have you replaced any vanilla stuff manually?

How are your installing things, manually or with MO.

SquallPT · September 6, 2015

At the moment only have LAPF and Stupid installed manualy, the rest is handled my MO or OBMM.

Is there a log or something that could save prior to the crash, just to see what is going on. I'm at a point to delete the folder and install everything again

Probably will going to do that, 90% of the stuff is in MO. Going to delete data folder and download again.

*gregathit* · September 7, 2015

I'm suspecting it has something to do with MO. I don't know much about it myself, but having manually installed everything in my game, I don't have any issues. It could be that MO isn't handling something correctly. Or it could be something else entirely. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

*fejeena* · September 7, 2015

But why is your message box untranslated ?

Seems you use a wrong Lovers with PK.esm, not a translated Lovers or LAPF Version. ( I am very sure that the message is from the PK esm)

With your minimal Installation did you still get the untranstlated message ?

Upload your Lovers with PK.esm.

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And: yes you need the Oblivion SI Version.

And in your minimal Installation is no LoversCreatures esp = another error message.

SquallPT · September 7, 2015

I'm suspecting it has something to do with MO. I don't know much about it myself, but having manually installed everything in my game, I don't have any issues. It could be that MO isn't handling something correctly. Or it could be something else entirely. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Greag, trust me, you and fejeena have been very helpful, many thanks for that

But why is your message box untranslated ?

Seems you use a wrong Lovers with PK.esm, not a translated Lovers or LAPF Version. ( I am very sure that the message is from the PK esm)

With your minimal Installation did you still get the untranstlated message ?

Upload your Lovers with PK.esm.

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And: yes you need the Oblivion SI Version.

And in your minimal Installation is no LoversCreatures esp = another error message.

Playing Metal Gear, i'll give any news in a bit

SquallPT · September 8, 2015

And i'm back

This time i installed the mods the old fashioned way, manual.

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Lovers with PK.esm
02  LoversCreature.esm
03  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
04  Knights.esp
05  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
06  LoversTachiCat2.esp
07  LoversImmoralSisters.esp
08  LoversStupidNpc.esp
09  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96v5]
0A  LoversCreature.esp
0B  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
0C  LoversMB2.esp
0D  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
0E  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

Still crashes. No body replacers, no clothes replacers

Still betting on LAPF that is causing this, with the esp disabled it doesn't crash, only show the pop up error untranslated.

Or better forget Stupid, it's been days and i better forget it

Disabled Stupid, did 20 fast travels = 0 crashes.

*fejeena* · September 9, 2015

You are right you get a untranslated message. I tested my game without Lovers with PK esp.

A long time ago someone has translated the message box but not compiled the script, and the Lovers with PK.esm was copied from one Version to the next.

After compile the script the message is english

Here the all scripts compiled esm.

Lovers with PK.esm

Now I will test LoversStupit and fast travel ( with enabled Lovers with PK esp )

*gregathit* · September 9, 2015

Let me know the results. If your compiling doesn't fly, I can do it. With CSE it is much easier (and more reliable) to compile stuff.

*fejeena* · September 9, 2015

I used CSE

The original esm had a translated (english) message box ,but in game the error message was gibberish ( see pic SquallPT uploaded)

After compile the script ( all scripts) the error message box in game is english.

That will not fix the fast travel Problem which SquallPT has, but think it's not good to have uncompiled scripts.

*gregathit* · September 9, 2015

I'll update both the esm and esp this weekend. I'm hoping to have enough time to add a couple of animations to the LAPF so it is worth it to folks to update. I'm trying to get the chair BJ and the tied to a pole from behind animations finished, as well as add in anything else that I have time for. Probably going to be a late Sunday night update. I've got several things going Saturday. Who knows, I may get to it yet this week. Work was actually normalish today. I've been cranking on the minotaur animations this evening fairly well. We shall see how it goes.

And i'm back

This time i installed the mods the old fashioned way, manual.
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Lovers with PK.esm
02  LoversCreature.esm
03  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
04  Knights.esp
05  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
06  LoversTachiCat2.esp
07  LoversImmoralSisters.esp
08  LoversStupidNpc.esp
09  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96v5]
0A  LoversCreature.esp
0B  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
0C  LoversMB2.esp
0D  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
0E  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
Still crashes. No body replacers, no clothes replacers

Still betting on LAPF that is causing this, with the esp disabled it doesn't crash, only show the pop up error untranslated.

Or better forget Stupid, it's been days and i better forget it

Disabled Stupid, did 20 fast travels = 0 crashes.

0B Bashed Patch, 0.esp <------- Disable this and start a new game, then fast travel again and see if you crash. I'm guessing you have something in your bashed patch left over from the other build that is breaking things.

*fejeena* · September 9, 2015

Fast travel test.

All my Mods active, also Immoral Sisters and Guards.

Fast ravel from wilderness to Chorrol to Odiil's farm to IC Market to Cheydinhal ( left through the City gate) to Bravil to Wilderness to Anvil to Bruma.

At each location I stayed 1-2 minutes. ( only....see below)

No CTDs

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But I spent some time in Bravil and IC Elven Gardens District and my game crashes.

More tests; and I saw a NPC talking to a Donkey Bread Vendor. Conversation like:

NPC "Wow that bread smells so good!"

Vendor "You are so funny ... here is your bread ..."

NPC "Thanks"

and game crashed. Even if Player is not near the Donkey Bread Vendor.

A script is add to last conversation :

Conversation result script:

Call kzsFuncAddBeadloaf2Npc GetSelf 0

or

Call kzsFuncAddBeadloaf2Npc GetSelf 1

The Script: kzsFuncAddBeadloaf2Npc [sCPT:0208C59D]

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scn kzsFuncAddBeadloaf2Npc

ref refActor
short iSkooma

ref refItem

begin Function { refActor iSkooma }

if (refActor == 0) || (refActor.GetInFaction kzsFactionBakery)
return
endif

set refItem to kzsBreadloaf
refActor.AddItem refItem 1
MessageEx "%n received % n" refActor refItem
if (kzsQuestLoversStupidNpc.iDebugOn)
PrintC "LoversStupidNpc::Bakery:Add %n to %n" refItem refActor
endif

if (iSkooma)
  if (30 > GetRandomPercent)
   set refItem to kzsDrinkSkoomaAphrodisiac
   refActor.AddItem refItem 1
   if (kzsQuestLoversStupidNpc.iDebugOn)
    PrintC "LoversStupidNpc::Bakery:Add %n to %n" refItem refActor
   endif
  endif
endif

end

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I don't know much about scripts but I thought "why a MessageEx in a NPC-NPC conversation? "

So I "deactivated the MessageEx

; MessageEx "%n received % n" refActor refItem

3 tests in the IC Elven Gardens District and no crash at the end of a NPC-NPC bread conversation.

Must do more tests.

And maybe someone with script knowledge can tell me if a MessageEx in a NPC-NPC conversation can cause the crashes.

Maybe the end of the conversation is the Problem ? conversations Ends = script Ends but the script tries to display the message while it is turned off ?

And the message does not appears during the last NPC answer "Thanks".

Some seconds elapse ( Elys Universal Silent Voice Plugin), no message, then the game crashes. Conflict Elys Universal Silent Voice and MessageEx ?

?????

*gregathit* · September 9, 2015

Do you have estrus installed?

*fejeena* · September 9, 2015

Yes Version 14r2

And MB2 and Joburg.

I don't have Lovers H Virus installed and disabled the function in the LoversStupid ini.

During the last tests I have disabled all funktions.

Stupid ini Settings:

; LoversStupidNpc.ini - Setting file for LoversStupidNpc v01.07 or later
;

;If you set a non-zero it does not MB. (default:0)
set kzsQuestLoversStupidNpc.iNoMB to 1

;If you set a non-zero in the MB start processing it does not use the function of Joburg. (Default: 0)
; Joburg is please set to if not the latest version (V1.17).
set kzsQuestLoversStupidNpc.iNoJoburg to 1

;If you set a non-zero does not use the Estrus. (Default: 0)
set kzsQuestLoversStupidNpc.iNoEstrus to 1

;If you set a non-zero does not use the LoversHVirus. (Default: 0)
set kzsQuestLoversStupidNpc.iNoHVirus to 1

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Will do more tests and enable one by one.

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EDIT:

Test with ini Settings: MB2, estrus and Joburg enabled, H Virus disabled ( I don't have H Virus installed)

; LoversStupidNpc.ini - Setting file for LoversStupidNpc v01.07 or later
;

;If you set a non-zero it does not MB. (default:0)
set kzsQuestLoversStupidNpc.iNoMB to 0

;If you set a non-zero in the MB start processing it does not use the function of Joburg. (Default: 0)
; Joburg is please set to if not the latest version (V1.17).
set kzsQuestLoversStupidNpc.iNoJoburg to 0

;If you set a non-zero does not use the Estrus. (Default: 0)
set kzsQuestLoversStupidNpc.iNoEstrus to 0

;If you set a non-zero does not use the LoversHVirus. (Default: 0)
set kzsQuestLoversStupidNpc.iNoHVirus to 1

No CTDs during/after NPC-Donkey Bread Vendor conversation.

So I think the MessageEx in the script was the CTD reason.

I only checked Donkey Bread Vendors. I have not spent much time in the cities, or followed other Stupid NPCs till they used a "Stupid conversation"

SquallPT: enable/disable the Mods you have or not have in the LoversStupid ini.

Use the Lovers with PK esm I have uploaded

And try this esp LoversStupidNpc.esp

I have 192 active esm/esp , no Lovers Mod deactivated. I can fast travel and enter Cities without CTDs.

SquallPT · September 9, 2015

It was a conversation from bread vendor ? that bitch

Ill try the esp fejeena, give me a minute.

Edit: fejeena i wanna kiss you. A manly kiss of course

Doesn't crash anymore ! Awesome ! Thanks for looking into this

Now i'm safe to install the stuff i had.

Gaebrial · September 11, 2015

It's not the MessageEx command that is causing the crash, it's the space between the % and n.

MessageEx "%n received % n" refActor refItem

should be

MessageEx "%n received %n" refActor refItem

There's also a '% g' in kzsScriptTokenDrinkSkoomaAphrodisiac (should be '%g'), and a couple of instances of '%' on it's own in kzsQuestLoversStupidMorningCallSCRIPT (should probably be '%n' in both cases). They could also cause a crash.

SquallPT · September 11, 2015

Had a couple of crashes on fast travels and one that appeared a message about someone drinking something and 5 seconds later crashed, must be related to that too.

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