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Ok people

I want to apologize for yesterday event. I was drunk and had ragequit about couple of criticism there, was few more factors involved but that was the main reason

I hope this won't affect anyone willigness to speak freely about what they like on our forum and what they don't.

It had nothing to do with lolicon, becasue I don't know if you guys know but we allow to post x117 race, and loli related content as long as it don't involve sexual behavior.

All topics will be restored in about 2 days + small bonus from my side as a gift for forum.

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I just want to note one thing about the incident.

 

LoversLab is intended to be a place where people can talk freely, away from overbearing moderation. My fear is that having moderators rage in public about somebody having issues with them completely destroys that environment and is not how I wish LoversLab to be represented. As soon as people are afraid to speak up with issues they have with the site for fear of lash back the closer we become to being as oppressed as the people at Nexus Forums.

 

Never be afraid to suggest change or talk to a moderator or admin about issues you have with the way things are run.

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HanPL. I'm just glad you're back, didn't want to lose somebody I consider a friend, even though I've never met you. And Ashal, I have to agree with you, the free flow of thoughts and ideas are part of what makes this forum great, if we restrict that, in any way, we'll end up as stagnant and overbearing as Nexus.

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Ok people

I want to apologize for yesterday event. I was drunk and had ragequit about couple of criticism there' date=' was few more factors involved but that was the main reason

I hope this won't affect anyone willigness to speak freely about what they like on our forum and what they don't.

It had nothing to do with lolicon, becasue I don't know if you guys know but we [b']allow to post x117 race, and loli related content as long as it don't involve sexual behavior[/b].

All topics will be restored in about 2 days + small bonus from my side as a gift for forum.

 

See, this is what I didn't like about your style of moderation. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is your own rule and not one of LoversLab. It was stated that any sexual content regarding pre-pubescent males or females is not wanted here. There was never anything about x117 races. Since the HGEC body replacer shows the body of a woman it should be perfectly fine to post sexual content with x117 races if it's clear that it's not intended to depict a child (anything above the HGEC A-cup is clearly NOT pre-pubescent in any way).

 

I tried to talk to you about it once but you it seemed to me that you didn't take my complaint seriously and shortly after that you threatened this user here with an instant ban for this pic: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?pid=39670#pid39670

 

Despite the fact that this pic, even if it would contain sexual content, would not be against the rules in any way. At least how I understand them.

 

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Ok people

I want to apologize for yesterday event. I was drunk and had ragequit about couple of criticism there' date=' was few more factors involved but that was the main reason

I hope this won't affect anyone willigness to speak freely about what they like on our forum and what they don't.

It had nothing to do with lolicon, becasue I don't know if you guys know but we [b']allow to post x117 race, and loli related content as long as it don't involve sexual behavior[/b].

All topics will be restored in about 2 days + small bonus from my side as a gift for forum.

 

See, this is what I didn't like about your style of moderation. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is your own rule and not one of LoversLab. It was stated that any sexual content regarding pre-pubescent males or females is not wanted here. There was never anything about x117 races. Since the HGEC body replacer shows the body of a woman it should be perfectly fine to post sexual content with x117 races if it's clear that it's not intended to depict a child (anything above the HGEC A-cup is clearly NOT pre-pubescent in any way).

 

I tried to talk to you about it once but you it seemed to me that you didn't take my complaint seriously and shortly after that you threatened this user here with an instant ban for this pic: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?pid=39670#pid39670

 

Despite the fact that this pic, even if it would contain sexual content, would not be against the rules in any way. At least how I understand them.

 

 

This is correct, I myself use an x117 race for my main character, however with hgec installed they look nothing like a child, simply a short young adult, which is perfectly fine.

 

Loli/shota body types however are restricted to just that. The second they start showing up in sex mods however, whether in screenshots or a mod requirement, it becomes a problem. Where it becomes tricky is simple nude screenshots, it could be argued this is sexual, and thus against the rules, it could also be argued the other way that it's not sexual. Personally I'd rather just avoid the potential risk and say no nude screen shots either.

 

 

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I'm still confused why there's such a restriction on Loli and shota while we have other, objectively worse things on this board accepted. Pretty much 80% of what's on this board a majority would find completely disgusting already so... It just makes me wonder just why that's the one disallowed subject while Bestiality, rape, sexual slavery, and since it hasn't come up presumably guro is fine.

 

Seems oddly specific and it really just makes me want to ask. Especially since the view is now x117 + HGEC is fine but loli and shota is not now? How about New Vegas and fallout 3's Shojuo mod? That accepted like x117 is too now?

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I tried to talk to you about it once but you it seemed to me that you didn't take my complaint seriously and shortly after that you threatened this user here with an instant ban for this pic: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?pid=39670#pid39670

 

Despite the fact that this pic' date=' even if it would contain sexual content, would not be against the rules in any way. At least how I understand them.

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No... Han threatened an instant ban if that users upcoming COMIC involved teens and sexual conduct.

 

Han did not in any way threaten anything with regards to that picture!

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I'm still confused why there's such a restriction on Loli and shota while we have other' date=' objectively worse things on this board accepted. Pretty much 80% of what's on this board a majority would find completely disgusting already so... It just makes me wonder just why that's the one disallowed subject while Bestiality, rape, sexual slavery, and since it hasn't come up presumably guro is fine.

 

Seems oddly specific and it really just makes me want to ask. Especially since the view is now x117 + HGEC is fine but loli and shota is not now? How about New Vegas and fallout 3's Shojuo mod? That accepted like x117 is too now?

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The main reason it's not accepted, is because of the unwanted attention this site will garner and the many nations having different definition on what constititue as child pornography, etc.

Ryona, beastility, etc People will just usually say it's digusting/not their cup of tea, and leave, bring loli/shota and possible pedophilia content, and everyone goes crazy.

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I'm still confused why there's such a restriction on Loli and shota while we have other' date=' objectively worse things on this board accepted. Pretty much 80% of what's on this board a majority would find completely disgusting already so... It just makes me wonder just why that's the one disallowed subject while Bestiality, rape, sexual slavery, and since it hasn't come up presumably guro is fine.

 

Seems oddly specific and it really just makes me want to ask. Especially since the view is now x117 + HGEC is fine but loli and shota is not now? How about New Vegas and fallout 3's Shojuo mod? That accepted like x117 is too now?

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Ashal runs this board. His home, his rules, so to speak. There doesn't need to be any rational reasoning behind this but my guess would be that everything that could be considered kiddie porn is a touchy subject on many countries in this world.

 

 

No... Han threatened an instant ban if that users upcoming COMIC involved teens and sexual conduct.

 

Han did not in any way threaten anything with regards to that picture!

 

Like I said: Even if this picture would depict a massive orgy with that character it would be prefectly fine. Not against the rules in any way.

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Ashal runs this board. His home' date=' his rules, so to speak. There doesn't need to be any rational reasoning behind this but my guess would be that everything that could be considered kiddie porn is a touchy subject on many countries in this world.

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Doesn't mean I don't want to know if there's a rational reason or not. He just said he's fine if people want to speak up about problems they have and well. This is one for me. I wanna know if it's a personal thing or if it's more like you said, because it could bring unwanted attention.

 

If it's a personal thing then I'd have a problem with it. Otherwise I guess I could understand. Could. But there's still things on this site that would get people complaining directly to the host provider so that doesn't make too much sense to me.

 

Really I'm just curious on the official reasoning.

 

 

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Doesn't mean I don't want to know if there's a rational reason or not. He just said he's fine if people want to speak up about problems they have and well. This is one for me. I wanna know if it's a personal thing or if it's more like you said' date=' because it could bring unwanted attention.

 

If it's a personal thing then I'd have a problem with it. Otherwise I guess I could understand. [i']Could[/i]. But there's still things on this site that would get people complaining directly to the host provider so that doesn't make too much sense to me.

 

Really I'm just curious on the official reasoning.

 

 

 

I do have a strong distaste for such content, but that's not the reasoning behind restricting it, just my personal opinion on the subject. I'm perfectly willing to let people do as they wish regardless of my own opinions on things.

 

The real reason is exactly as people have said; it attracts unwanted attention. Countries have varying degrees of acceptance for loli/shota content. Web hosting companies especially tend to heavily frown upon it as well because they prefer to be on the side of caution. If you want an example of this just look up the whole hongfire fiasco with loli content from several years ago. With the amount of traffic LoversLab gets, hosting such content will most certainly bring exactly the kind of attention we don't want.

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No... Han threatened an instant ban if that users upcoming COMIC involved teens and sexual conduct.

 

Han did not in any way threaten anything with regards to that picture!

 

Like I said: Even if this picture would depict a massive orgy with that character it would be prefectly fine. Not against the rules in any way.

And Han didn't say a damned thing about the fucking picture! You claimed that there was a threat of instant ban over the picture when it had fuck all to do with it, so perhaps you should apologise to Han for accusing him of something he most certainly didn't do?

 

 

 

Just a thought...

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And Han didn't say a damned thing about the fucking picture! You claimed that there was a threat of instant ban over the picture when it had fuck all to do with it' date=' so perhaps you should apologise to Han for accusing him of something he most certainly didn't do?

 

 

 

Just a thought...

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Dude, wtf is wrong with you? My point was that Han did post that warning because of the picture that user posted. The picture itself was ok but on the border of being not wanted here according to Han, he took that as a reason to warn that user since that user made clear that his intention was to post more explicit stuff, which was ban worthy according to Han. But it isn't ban worthy at all. THAT is the point. Stop splitting hairs or I will just ignore you once and for all. This is not the first time you do that.

 

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And Han didn't say a damned thing about the fucking picture! You claimed that there was a threat of instant ban over the picture when it had fuck all to do with it' date=' so perhaps you should apologise to Han for accusing him of something he most certainly didn't do?

 

 

 

Just a thought...

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Dude, wtf is wrong with you? My point was that Han did post that warning because of the picture that user posted.

Really?

 

@PT The Comic Freak

 

I have to warn you that posting loli is not welcome here.

If your new Comic will contain "teen " + loversPK

I will instantly give you perma ban.

 

Notice how it has nothing to do with the picture' date=' but just the comic.

The picture itself was ok

Which Han agreed... hence Han pointing out just a couple of posts after the one you linked to that it was nothing to do with the picture!

but on the border of being not wanted here according to Han,

But not, as Han very clearly explained just a couple of posts after the one you linked to!

he took that as a reason to warn that user since that user made clear that his intention was to post more explicit stuff, which was ban worthy according to Han.

Teen sex? That is ban worthy... and I believe Ashal has made that clear on this thread. (and in the rules, it is way too close to child porn legally in way too many places... hence why it is ban worthy)

But it isn't ban worthy at all. THAT is the point.

Images of teen sex, which comes under the heading of Child Porn just about everywhere, isn't ban worthy to you? The rules of this site disagree...

Stop splitting hairs or I will just ignore you once and for all. This is not the first time you do that.

No... it's not the first time I've caught you in an obvious mistake. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but making accusations based on something that is completely wrong (thanks to your reading of it, and it's not the first time you've done that) is completely uncalled for. So, how about you apologise to Han for accusing him of doing something he very clearly didn't?

 

 

Or, you can be a jerk about it instead.

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You obiously can't read or you don't want to. Ashal already said that this is NOT ban worthy. IN. THIS. VERY. THREAD. It speaks for itself that you are one of the very few people here that constantly misunderstand my posts - any other user doesn't seem to have much of a problem to understand what I am trying to say. English isn't my native language so I make some mistakes here and there but from the context it should be very clear what my point is.

 

/ignore

 

Edit: Sorry, didn't want to derail this thread. It's just that this isn't the first time Tregarin does that. Made me rage a bit, tbh. But if my posts are really that misleading, I shall refrain from posting anything here on LL. Don't need that drama.

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Yeah this is silly. If you two wanna be bickering manchildren this isn't the place. By the way does this board have a mute feature? As in when people step out of line instead they can be dissalowed to post for a moment? Situations like the above would be a great use for it.

 

Thanks by the way Ashal, that's what I guessed. If anything I was worried it might of been a personal thing and not that.

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Uhmmm stop fighting in words, i guess. I mean aren't anyone happy? Hes back plugins back, translations back, what else does anyone want?

 

Its bad enough that its turning into a rant thread, so dont make it nexusy like.

 

I know having loli could u know alert the public like the rapelay game incident.

So i agree with the loli rule.

 

 

 

 

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Duno about what you arguing here but rules were set. And I can say HanPL is sticking to them so that person wasn't just a exception.

 

Small info people.

If Ashal or any of modderators see anything related to sex theme or loli in this topic person who posted it gets Instant perma ban or 50% warn.

 

It is from Everyone's child connected to TC mod.

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if i were a complete stranger and maybe a zealot from the church. watching in this site a sex explicit image of a character very similar to a child/kid/loli, whatever; even when you and all the site know its not a loli, "its a just a little adult". that doesnt matter, i would surelly make a drama and i would accuse the site with pedophilia content. the main reason its not giving them tools to catch their attention. so i totally agree with being very carefull and strict.

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Whoa! As I was quite busy the last few days, I did not even notice what had happened here! Since this discussion concerns my pictures and character(s), I feel I have to post my opinion on the subject here:

 

Fully aware of the rules against depiction of unlawful material, I would never risk losing a still young membership in a community full of interesting and competent users as well as potential future readers.

Thus, I will refrain from ever posting anything that 'crosses the border' even to Softcore. I found a simple and logical solution by uploading only a story's opening/introduction page(s) that never depict anything explicit, not even nudity. It serves as an overview of a story's subject, the setting, the character's outfit of the day. A teaser foreshadowing lewd things to come on later pages (which will then be found on my future comic site). This is mainly to be on the safe side, to avoid getting banhammered. That one time on the Nexus was enough for me...

 

Another way to make sure I'm safe is by painstakingly designing/creating and equipping/dressing my characters to make them as un-childlike as possible to avoid any pedo-/ephebophilia hassle. Sure, the oh so 'childlike' proportions of x117 catapult me into a kind of danger zone

("WHAAA... You makin' CM partners of 'em? IZZAT CHILD MOLESTARZ, or whut?! HERRP!"), but as GrimReaper so perfectly stated:

If a character has a fully developed womanly body despite x117 proportions, any discussion about unlawful depiction of minors is moot.

Especially with a character of a fictional fantasy race we have no biological information about concerning their maturity, life cycle, ageing.

My girls could be twelve Lop-Ear-Elf-years old. In human years that would be twenty-three...

Applying real world laws to my material, the equation is: TITTIES + BOOTY + DEVELOPED PERSONALITY = WOMAN!! -> SAFE!

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To help things get back into line here and with all due respect to all previous posters here. The "Lolli-wars" can run and run and will probably never reach a satisfactory conclusion for anyone. It is pointless to argue it on this thread as the policy of this forum is clear and well known. As far as I know my good friend PT The Comic Freak was not offended by HanPL at all. He's a grown man and can handle things with reasonable maturity. That's fine by me.

 

What this thread is about is that HanPL is capable of demonstrating honest humility and decency and the peace offering at the start of this thread is a gesture of great generosity of spirit.

This could only happen on a forum like this one. Could you imagine Vampire Dante being this honest and open-handed? Imagine all the banhammers that would be falling right now if this were Nexus.

The best thing any of us can do is to put all this behind us and move on.

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You are right, Robin! I totally forgot to mention anything about Han!

We already put that discussion behind us back then, neither of us has reason to be offended.

I consider him being here is vital and important to this board.

Without him, it would certainly not be the same board I read for three months before I joined.

 

This discussion boils down to one conclusion:

Treading carefully not to give 'enemies' of the site any means to harmfully act against it.

I will do my part by consciously selecting my material to upload in accordance with the board rules.

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