Setbody Reloaded

[gerra6]

 

The K cup mesh you are using is horribly outdated' date=' here's a newer better looking one that doesn't look like it's been beaten with a baseball bat. It works with all HGEC lowerbodies and the K-RA one too. I've had some trouble with a small gap on the hip that seems to show up on some lowerbodies, and there may be some underboob mesh tearing, you might want to look at it in a modeler program before you throw it in.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/?pnaoksiaooh9u6c

 

[/quote']

 

OK, I've had some time to inspect that model. It looks fantastic. What do you know about the origin? Who is the author?

 

A mesh overlay comparison in Blender leads me to believe that this is a breast expansion morph of the Manga Breasts that has been copied onto a standard HGEC upper body. Does that sound about right?

 

If so, I'll add it as HGEC Manga K-Cup.

 

Technical discussion:

 

 

 

You mentioned "a small gap on the hip" and "underboob mesh tearing". I honestly can't find a single flaw in this mesh. It is one of the cleanest that I have seen so far, by far.

 

The only thing that might be causing the problem you mention is the weightpainting. The OP1 and OP3 bones are very clean, but the OP2 bones are just...weird...same weight, distribution, and size as OP1 but with the nipple removed. In my opinion OP2 gives the best results when it is 1/2 the weighting of the OP1 bone and covers a slightly smaller area.

 

(OP1 gives gross movement, OP2 is used for mass and momentum, OP3 was designed for nipple-specific animations but has also been adopted by BBB Butts, which can lead to some occasional weirdness.)

 

I'll give the mesh the standard treatment and hopefully that will solve the issue you've been having

 

OP1 Before

 

OP1 After

 

OP2 Before

 

OP2 After

 

 

 

 

Also' date=' there is a new lowerbody that works with DMRA here, you may or may not wish add this to your mod. It has much wider hips, and I personally love it.

 

http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=10367

[/quote']

 

Very nice. I've mended a couple of seams, set the color to baseline (very important for a setbody mesh version) and made my first stab at adding BBB butts to a mesh that did not have it.

 

It should make its way into tonight's update. I look forward to your feedback.

 

Also' date=' Also, here is a link to BBButts lowerbodies for a lot of the lowerbodies in your mod if you are interested.

http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/35358

[/quote']

 

I'll be sure to add any that I previously missed in the next update.

[legit1337]

I honestly have no idea who the author is. I said it might have some underboob tearing but I wasn't sure because it's been awhile since I've used it...

 

and as for the small gap on the hip...

 

 

[gerra6]

I honestly have no idea who the author is. I said it might have some underboob tearing but I wasn't sure because it's been awhile since I've used it...

 

and as for the small gap on the hip...

 

 

Thanks.

 

Would you be willing to send me a copy of that lowerbody?

 

I'd like to try them together to see if I can ID the problem.

[legit1337]

I honestly have no idea who the author is. I said it might have some underboob tearing but I wasn't sure because it's been awhile since I've used it...

 

and as for the small gap on the hip...

 

 

Thanks.

 

Would you be willing to send me a copy of that lowerbody?

 

I'd like to try them together to see if I can ID the problem.

 

It is the K-cup RA lowerbody.

[gerra6]

It is the K-cup RA lowerbody.

 

Thanks. I have found and fixed the problem.

 

The RA lowerbody seams did not actually fit the HGEC waist, hence the gaps.

 

I have cleaned the RA Upper and Lower body seams for full HGEC compatibility and added them to the base HGEC menu items in the R.C. 1.06 update, available on the first page.

[Jay1646]

I'm glad you included my body!

[gerra6]

I'm glad you included my body!

 

And thank you for creating the Triple Melons Body. I love it.

 

I just realized that I forgot to add you to the "Original Authors" list. That has now been rectified. I owe you an apology.

 

I confess, the number of bodies in this mod is overwhelming at times. I humbly apologize to you and anyone else that I have neglected to include among the Original Authors.

[legit1337]

Tried out the new version. It is MUCH better then the old one but there are still a few problems.

 

Bugs:

-Mega Manga Body: Hands have a slight gap between hands and torso.

-Curvaceous+Curvaceous chubby body do not have robert's feet... they are here http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/38685

-DMRA section: RA K cup in this section uses the wrong feet, they aren't aligned.

-Pregnant THEC bodies: The feet for all of these have really weird lighting effects going on them...

-Pregnant HGEC E cup: Feet don't align with body.

 

This is all I have found so far. Keep up the amazing work!

[gerra6]

Tried out the new version. It is MUCH better then the old one but there are still a few problems.

 

Bugs:

-Mega Manga Body: Hands have a slight gap between hands and torso.

-Curvaceous+Curvaceous chubby body do not have robert's feet... they are here http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/38685

-DMRA section: RA K cup in this section uses the wrong feet' date=' they aren't aligned.

-Pregnant THEC bodies: The feet for all of these have really weird lighting effects going on them...

-Pregnant HGEC E cup: Feet don't align with body.

 

This is all I have found so far. Keep up the amazing work!

[/quote']

 

I really appreciate the bughunt. I'll go beat those meshes with Blender for a bit.

[Yvell]

Hi! I was just thinking: shouldn't be better to use the classic "set body spell" on target than using the console to change a body we don't like?

Another question: does characters keep the (custom) changed bodies, or is it changed each time the character become naked? (does it work the same for player?)

 

note: I've not tested the mod at this time! (but I'll, asap!)

[legit1337]

Hi! I was just thinking: shouldn't be better to use the classic "set body spell" on target than using the console to change a body we don't like?

Another question: does characters keep the (custom) changed bodies' date=' or is it changed each time the character become naked? (does it work the same for player?)

 

note: I've not tested the mod at this time! (but I'll, asap!)

[/quote']

 

There's an optional mod called autosetbody that automatically sets NPC bodies. We were discussing the mechanics of it.

[gerra6]

Hi! I was just thinking: shouldn't be better to use the classic "set body spell" on target than using the console to change a body we don't like?

 

I had better change the phrasing of my instructions. I am giving folks the wrong impression.

 

You are absolutely correct. The simplest and easiest way to change the body type of a single NPC is to cast the setbody spell on them.

 

The instructions you refer to only apply to removing a bodytype from the autosetbody rotation altogether.

 

Another question: does characters keep the (custom) changed bodies' date=' or is it changed each time the character become naked? (does it work the same for player?)

 

note: I've not tested the mod at this time! (but I'll, asap!)

[/quote']

 

Absolutely. The change should be permanent until they are hit with setbody again. For its part, AutoSetBody only works on PC's and NPC's who do not already have an active setbody.

 

The only exception that I am aware of is tamagosetbody, which will change the bodytype of any pregnant NPC, regardless of setbody status. When tamagosetbody returns the NPC to their original state, I *believe* that the prior setbody state is lost.

 

If someone requests it, I could probably kludge together a version of tamagosetbody that would remember an NPC's prior body type.

 

Technical explanation follows:

 

 

 

 

The way it works is as follows.

 

When the spell is cast or the function is called (whether from autosetbody, setbody, tamagosetbody, loversetbody, etc) a token string is passed. This string matches an entry in an array that lists all of the body styles and the body parts that go with it.

 

This array entry has an index number.

 

So the first thing that setbody does is add an invisible item (BombshellBodyToken) to the character's inventory in a quantity that exactly matches that index number.

 

Setbody then monitors all nearby NPC's that possess BombshellBodyTokens and forces them to equip the corresponding body parts any time that they are naked.

 

 

 

One caveat. At the moment I am still adding body styles at a fairly rapid pace. Every time I do, that has a cascading effect on the body style array index (see technical note)

 

What that means is that, while Setbody Reloaded is in pre-release phase, upgrading from one revision to the next is likely to semi-randomly modify any body styles that were previously set.

[gregathit]

What that means is that' date=' while Setbody Reloaded is in pre-release phase, upgrading from one revision to the next is likely to semi-randomly modify any body styles that were previously set.

[/quote']

 

I don't think that is a bid deal, as long as folks understand that, as you said, this is more or less a working beta.

 

Besides any hassles of upgrading from one version to the next will be worth it in the end!!!!

[gerra6]

What that means is that' date=' while Setbody Reloaded is in pre-release phase, upgrading from one revision to the next is likely to semi-randomly modify any body styles that were previously set.

[/quote']

 

I don't think that is a bid deal, as long as folks understand that, as you said, this is more or less a working beta.

 

Besides any hassles of upgrading from one version to the next will be worth it in the end!!!!

 

You say that now, but wait until your favorite female companion takes off her top to reveal a nice hariy Robert's chest.

[gregathit]

You say that now' date=' but wait until your favorite female companion takes off her top to reveal a nice hariy Robert's chest.

[/quote']

 

:D:D:D:D:D:D

 

I guess that would be better than taking her bottom off and.....

 

:D:D:D:D:D:D

[iblast]

Mediafire link has been blocked

[gerra6]

Mediafire link has been blocked

 

That doesn't sound good. Everything looks like it should be accessible from this end.

 

Are you able to download other files from mediafire?

 

*edit* FYI. Once I get to a final release, I'll provide more than one download location for folks in your situation. For the beta, though, I'd really like to avoid having too many soon-to-be-outdated links floating around.

[Rtom]

Both links are fine for me.

[gregathit]

Mediafire link has been blocked

 

Sounds like you are in a region that is blocking media fire.

 

I just tried both links and they work fine. You might try again using a proxy.

[ChaisyM]

Your collection is very nice, thanks for all your hard work!

 

Some possible additions:

 

All but one of Ravensaw's models are found here: http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/users/904736 Ravensaw had a not quite as huge breast size at http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27525 but now it appears to be gone. Let me know if you want to add it, I have it on my hard drive. His models could use their own folder too.

 

You might also want to add some of the middle-ground MegaOppai sizes from this thread: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=3547&page=5

 

There is a very nice DM upper body for the HGEC lower body available here: http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/39966 in the folder Meshes\characters\Bombshell\SPB28 Double Melons\A

 

I am wondering if you can put the CLS Body with the other standard HGEC options... it is HGEC compatible.

 

 

Personally I am wondering if you're willing to make non-nipple-enhanced versions of these? By not weight-painting them evenly (with more weight on the nipples), the models don't play nice with Growlf's Body Resizing Mod found here: http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/31955 .

[gerra6]

Your collection is very nice' date=' thanks for all your hard work!

 

Some possible additions:

 

All but one of Ravensaw's models are found here: http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/users/904736 [/quote']

 

Fantastic! The HFOB and MMB bodies are in the collection already, but I must have missed RocketBoobs.

 

Ravensaw had a not quite as huge breast size at http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27525 but now it appears to be gone. Let me know if you want to add it' date=' I have it on my hard drive.

[/quote']

 

I would love to add it.

 

You might also want to add some of the middle-ground MegaOppai sizes from this thread: http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=3547&page=5

 

I'll take another look. I think that I included all of the body types from that thread' date=' but there is every possibility that I missed one. Are there any in particular that you noticed were missing?

 

There is a very nice DM upper body for the HGEC lower body available here: http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/39966 in the folder Meshes\characters\Bombshell\SPB28 Double Melons\A

 

Fantastic. SPB28 A is already included but I did not spot the HGEC compatibility.

 

I am wondering if you can put the CLS Body with the other standard HGEC options... it is HGEC compatible.

 

Absolutely. In fact' date=' I've been reviewing meshes for ones with waist seams that are *almost* HGEC compatible and adjusting the seams.

 

Here's a sneak preview of the new HGEC menu options currently ready for the next patch

 

HGEC Lower Body Options for R.C. 1.10

 

 

 

Exnem Original

HGEC Original

Fighter

Small

Medium

Large

Extra Large

EBE

Iroiro Oppai A

Iroiro Oppai B

Manga

Manga Wide

Manga Mega Cup

Round Ass

UHK

Claudia's Little Secret

UMK

Disgraced

VK

Like a Babe

Like a Babe 2

Like a Babe 2-Chan

Like a Babe 2-Chan S

LTB

Rori

 

 

 

HGEC/Exnem Upper Body Options for R.C. 1.10

 

 

 

Exnem Original

Exnem A-Cup

Exnem C-Cup

Exnem D-Cup

HGEC Classic AA-Cup

HGEC Classic A-Cup

HGEC Classic B-Cup

HGEC Classic C-Cup

HGEC Classic D-Cup

HGEC Classic E-Cup

HGEC Classic F-Cup

HGEC Classic H-Cup A

HGEC Classic H-Cup B

HGEC Classic J-Cup

HGEC Classic K-Cup

HGEC Fighter A-Cup

HGEC Fighter B-Cup

HGEC Fighter C-Cup

HGEC Fighter D-Cup

HGEC Fighter E-Cup

HGEC Fighter F-Cup

HGEC Fighter H-Cup A

HGEC Fighter H-Cup B

Iroiro Oppai AA-Cup

Iroiro Oppai A-Cup 1

Iroiro Oppai A-Cup 2

Iroiro Oppai B-Cup

Iroiro Oppai C-Cup

Iroiro Oppai D-Cup

Iroiro Oppai F-Cup

EBE

ERA

Kaihen B-Cup

Kaihen C-Cup

Kaihen D-Cup

Mega Oppai (HGEC)

Mega Oppai Oversized

Manga

Manga K-Cup

Manga Mega Cup

RA H-Cup

RA K-Cup

SpeedBuster Nise Chi Chi

UHK GUTS

UMK

Claudia's Little Secret

VK

Disgraced

Like a Babe

Like a Babe 2

Like a Babe 2-Chan

Like a Babe 2-Chan S

LTB

Rori

 

 

 

Personally I am wondering if you're willing to make non-nipple-enhanced versions of these? By not weight-painting them evenly (with more weight on the nipples), the models don't play nice with Growlf's Body Resizing Mod found here: http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/31955 .

 

I'll take a look. I've got a bit of a backlog, so would you be willing to post a screenshot showing the problem that you're experiencing?

 

Since you mention that the nipple is the problem, I would hazard a guess the Op3 bone might be the source of the problem. Op3 is a bit...weird. Originally it was designed for nipple-specific animations (a tweak or a pull on a nipple, for example) but was adopted by BB butts.

 

Re-weighting all of the upper bodies would be a bit of a nightmare (~4 minutes per mesh X 150 meshes if I'm working exceptionally fast and don't make any mistakes). Simply removing the OP3 bone from the upperbody meshes would probably be a bit more manageable.

[ChaisyM]

Ravensaw had a not quite as huge breast size at http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27525 but now it appears to be gone. Let me know if you want to add it' date=' I have it on my hard drive.

[/quote']

 

I would love to add it.

 

Here it is: http://minus.com/lbf7BTZlMqkM67

 

 

 

I'll take a look. I've got a bit of a backlog' date=' so would you be willing to post a screenshot showing the problem that you're experiencing?

[/quote']

 

Sure thing! I hope you choose to work on it, as I think extra nipple bounce is very subtle and Growlf's resize mod is... not. I'd rather have the flexibility of choosing exactly what size the breasts are than extra nipple action, personally.

 

Here is a comparison of Speedbuster's DM A top compared to yours (from SetBody_2ch-Edition_TSpec_10_Archive-39966, I think its a tweaked version because its HGEC compatible while yours doesn't match HGEC) :

 

Default size, they are nearly identical: http://minus.com/lwRhLPvOkovDT

Growlf's mod set to "Small Asian", its slightly smaller than default: http://minus.com/lUZcmDi7oWm7u

Growlf's mod set to "Large Firm": http://minus.com/ljsRKdU6vUuXc

Growlf's mod set to "Giant Double Melons" (largest selection): http://minus.com/lMRco4zvLLxuQ

 

In all of these, the original upperbody is on the left, the version from Setbody RC 1.06 is on the right. The lower body is the CLS Body in all of them.

 

Note that when Growlf's mod is set to a smaller than default (Small Firm is the default, Small Asian is smaller than the default, Large Firm is much larger than the default, and Giant Double Melons is the largest size Growlf's Resize mod has), the breasts shrink, but the nipples shrink more than the rest, because the nipples have extra weight applied. So they are indented. When set to Growlf's Resize is set to large sizes, the nipples extend out even further than the enlarged breasts, because again they have extra weight applied. If you apply the same weighting evenly, I think that won't happen. I have no idea about breast bones, I only draw conclusions based on what I can see. Also there is a noticeable seam at large sizes where the top of the breast meets the chest.

 

Here is Mega Oppai:

 

Default: http://minus.com/lzKr0PRTdUVHg

Small Asian: http://minus.com/lUk15dh6F9UOh

Large Firm: http://minus.com/lVwnya6qupede

Giant Double Melons: http://minus.com/lIyYPxsh6Q4tG

 

 

Here is Ravensaw's Mega Size:

 

Default: http://minus.com/lO0ypWS0KhFJB

Small Asian: http://minus.com/lnZnmERahTFNi

Large Firm: http://minus.com/l5pVwzGIEuKDw

Giant Double Melons: http://minus.com/lbb76tG1lCjT05

 

I hope this illustrates it well enough!

[legit1337]

A few more bugs...

 

-DMRA natural doesnt have a BB lowerbody option.

 

-RA manga lowerbody in the DMRA menus has different lighting properties then the tops so they look mismatched :/, and the BBB on the butt is a little screwed up, in certain animations the buttcheeks tear and it looks messy, although I like the excessive bounce. The manga lowerbody should also be an option for ALL DMRA tops.

 

-In the HGEC menus, choosing a lowerbody and then selecting 'other tops', options are available for a K-RA, and H-RA tops? How are these different from the classic HGEC tops? If they only fit the RA lowerbody, and not the classic HGEC lowerbodies shouldn't they be under the DMRA section (which they already are if I'm not mistaken)? If they do fit the classic HGEC lowerbodies then they are redundant because they also appear in the 'classic tops' section.

[gerra6]

Sure thing! I hope you choose to work on it' date=' as I think extra nipple bounce is very subtle and Growlf's resize mod is... not. I'd rather have the flexibility of choosing exactly what size the breasts are than extra nipple action, personally.

[/quote']

 

There appear to be two distinct issues happening.

 

The pointy nipple of doom comes from a major bug with the way that Growlf's resizing tool handles the OP3 bone. Unfortunately, the bone weight copy script that Growlf used assigned an extremely high weight to the OP3 bones that renders them unusable. This is mentioned in the readme.

 

This means that not only is Growlf's resizing tool incompatible with this version of Setbody Reloaded, it is also incompatible with all applications of BB Butts.

 

Try it and see. Oh the horrible deformed butts.

 

The best solution is to probably fix Growlf's mod. I can probably patch together a blender script to fix it, but I am in a very early learning phase with both Blender and Python (3 weeks). This will be my first attempt to modify an animation/armature/whatever the hell it uses.

 

The second issue is related to my weighting of the OP2 bone. When I was testing various weighting techniques, I found that I preferred the OP2 bone to have a sharp edge. Unfortunately, that same sharp edge that I like so much is what causes that horrible seam when you increase bust size with Growlf's mod.

 

I haven't yet decided whether or not I am willing to sacrifice animation quality for resizing mod compatibility. I need to experiment a bit more before I decide what I want to do.

 

In the meantime, I've got this nifty Blender script if you want to fix any of the meshes for your own use. If you are Blender savvy enough to import and export a nif, my script will do the rest.

 

It's my modification of the Weight Paint "Grow/Shrink weight" tool. I call it kludge. Drop weightpaint_kludge.py in your .blender/scripts folder

 

If you import a mesh, right click on the mesh and hit ctrl tab to open the weightpaint screen. Click on the "paint" button and select "kludge".

 

It will automatically delete the OP3 bones and give a nice smooth gradient to the edges of both the OP1 and OP2 bones. Takes about 5 seconds.

 

Then just export the nif like you would any other.

 

I'm not yet entirely happy with the results, but it's getting there.

[ChaisyM]

Sure thing! I hope you choose to work on it' date=' as I think extra nipple bounce is very subtle and Growlf's resize mod is... not. I'd rather have the flexibility of choosing exactly what size the breasts are than extra nipple action, personally.

[/quote']

 

There appear to be two distinct issues happening.

 

The pointy nipple of doom comes from a major bug with the way that Growlf's resizing tool handles the OP3 bone. Unfortunately, the bone weight copy script that Growlf used assigned an extremely high weight to the OP3 bones that renders them unusable. This is mentioned in the readme.

 

This means that not only is Growlf's resizing tool incompatible with this version of Setbody Reloaded, it is also incompatible with all applications of BB Butts.

 

Try it and see. Oh the horrible deformed butts.

 

The best solution is to probably fix Growlf's mod. I can probably patch together a blender script to fix it, but I am in a very early learning phase with both Blender and Python (3 weeks). This will be my first attempt to modify an animation/armature/whatever the hell it uses.

 

The second issue is related to my weighting of the OP2 bone. When I was testing various weighting techniques, I found that I preferred the OP2 bone to have a sharp edge. Unfortunately, that same sharp edge that I like so much is what causes that horrible seam when you increase bust size with Growlf's mod.

 

I haven't yet decided whether or not I am willing to sacrifice animation quality for resizing mod compatibility. I need to experiment a bit more before I decide what I want to do.

 

In the meantime, I've got this nifty Blender script if you want to fix any of the meshes for your own use. If you are Blender savvy enough to import and export a nif, my script will do the rest.

 

It's my modification of the Weight Paint "Grow/Shrink weight" tool. I call it kludge. Drop weightpaint_kludge.py in your .blender/scripts folder

 

If you import a mesh, right click on the mesh and hit ctrl tab to open the weightpaint screen. Click on the "paint" button and select "kludge".

 

It will automatically delete the OP3 bones and give a nice smooth gradient to the edges of both the OP1 and OP2 bones. Takes about 5 seconds.

 

Then just export the nif like you would any other.

 

I'm not yet entirely happy with the results, but it's getting there.

 

Thanks, I'll try to install Blender some time soon and try it out. I never use any BBB Butts mods for exactly this reason, I posted about it on a comment on Growlf's mod on Nexus even .