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Do you think a modder should have a say on how their mod is distrubitued and used?  

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  1. 1. Do you think a modder should have a say on how their mod is distrubitued and used?

    • Modders should have right to control
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    • Once a mod is on the internet, it is free for all.
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    • I don't care.
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This might be a touchy subject for some people.

But let's try to keep it civil and nice.

Everyone has a different opinion.

 

Do you agree or disagree on certain forum, restricting the sharing of mods?

 

If the mod is origional creation, does the modder have the right to control distrubition?

 

If the mod is a recolor or a modification of an existing mod, does the editor have a right to control distrubition?

 

How about people that only post picture, or gif, then disappear without a word?

 

And what is your opinion on forum that requires "points" and "gold" to "buy" download, and the way to earn said Point are by posting.

Should people be forced to participate in order to get the goods?

 

There is no right or wrong, and this topic is meant for the discussion and venting of your opinion.

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*Do you agree or disagree on certain forum, restricting the sharing of mods?

Yes, but only make some mods available for registered users. Other system tend to force people to spam just to get enough post, or gold~

 

*If the mod is origional creation, does the modder have the right to control distrubition?

I would say he has the right imo to decide where it can be released, and refuse redistribution of modification if the mod is a complete (100%) creation of the modder.

 

*If the mod is a recolor or a modification of an existing mod, does the editor have a right to control distrubition?

Lol. (what else? (:

 

*How about people that only post picture, or gif, then disappear without a word?

They are free to do what they want, it can make some people jealous but also show what we can do with the tools we have.

 

*And what is your opinion on forum that requires "points" and "gold" to "buy" download, and the way to earn said Point are by posting.

Should people be forced to participate in order to get the goods?

Spam, only spam, create undead forums : forums that seem to be alive but where 99% of the post are made to get the link for the dl or enough downloading point.

A true, good forum don't need that kind of system.

Users that like the forum subject will participate, debate, create,... Trying to force that is useless.

 

(all of this only engage myself and reflect my current opinion at the moment)

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Modders are volunteers.

 

All I've ever done for Oblivion is voice work and writing, but I have sunk a lot of hours into both. My work, such as it is, shows up in around two dozen mods. They aren't "my" mods, I was always part of a team and I can't use the CS. Still, it was work, done for no pay other than the fun of seeing the mod. I did it mostly to pay back modders who were producing amazing stuff I wanted to use for my games. Sometimes I've faded out of a project, and I wish I'd handled some of those better, but that's another story.

 

A modder does this for fun, to be part of a community, and as a way to pay back people who've shared stuff he or she uses. That modder has the right to share his or her work with whoever he or she chooses, whenever, wherever. I am getting a gift when I download a mod; I have no right to badger the modder to do things differently, and passing that mod on in a way the modder explicitly does not want it passed on is an insult to someone who gave me a gift. It's unethical. It is bad form.

 

Many talented modders have quit projects and quit modding because of childish, short sighted assholes in the community. I once lost all of my enthusiasm for a project and couldn't complete it because the forum politics got nasty and stupid, to the point that I couldn't do the writing and voice work without thinking of the trolls.

 

If there's a central lesson in all this, it's "Be a good friend, be supportive, criticize constructively and positively. You are getting a gift. Say thank you."

 

If you're sharing your mods on a forum that has strict rules about who can download and who can't, that's your choice. You don't owe me anything. I can ask you to please share your work someplace else; that's fair. You can say yes or no. That's your choice. I can also try to join your community and earn my forum gold. If that's too much trouble, it's too much trouble, but there's no foul there.

 

You are not my mod bitch. I can't order you to produce what I want, when I want, then take it and do whatever the hell I want with it. That's a bully's view of the world, and modders who face that bullshit attitude quit. I did.

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I see it like this. Modders should be appreciated, their work credited.

Fundamentally a modding community works because it's based on sharing. Sharing with other modders, and sharing with players who provide valuable input.

 

However, that doesn't mean you get to be a primadonna. It doesn't mean you can withold things on whims or, worse, spread pictures of it around then refuse to make it available in order to show off.

 

In the end if you don't like it and want to be an idiot, trolling pics of your work while going "IT'S PRIVATE FOR ME AND MY FRIENDS ONLY! MY PRECIOUS!" you can, frankly, shove your mod up your ass.

There are plenty of modders who don't have this smarmy, self entitled attitude.

 

Oh and Old Book, you speak of bullies.

Well I can say the same to you, modders who taunt the general community with pics and gifs of stuff they'll never release or demand that everyone follow their arbitrary rules are every bit a bully as someone who demands something for no effort.

It goes both ways.

 

Edit: Oh yeah and finally since we are talking about the likes of moderteam, I will point out again. THEY see no problem in taking and using OUR work, from OUR modders, who give out this stuff FREELY.

They are on top of everything else massive hypocrites. They want to have 200% control over their work while having the freedom to have total access to other's work!

Sorry, but that pisses me off.

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Leddis, I don't know or care who modderteam is. If there's a feud going on with another forum, that's a feud. It has nothing to do with the principle that a modder is free to share, or not share, his work as he chooses.

 

So someone waves a mod at me and says "I won't let you have this." Yes, that's childish bullshit. You'd expect it from kids playing keep away, or young idiots.

 

But if you show a pic of a mod you've made, that doesn't give me the right to demand you hand me a copy of your work. You did it; you put the time in. It's yours. I can ask for a copy; it's up to you to say yes or no.

 

If you used some of my work to make yours, then yes, you should share. That's reciprocity, and if you don't share you're breaking the implied agreement and I'm much less likely to share my work in the future. But that's not the same issue.

 

1) You make something. That's yours. You can do what you want with it. If you expect me to share with you in the future, you should probably share it with me, but it is your choice.

 

2) You use something I've made to make something. I have a reasonable expectation to ask you to share. If you don't, you've violated reciprocity, and I have no reason to share with you in the future.

 

Two issues. Related, but separate. In the first case, not sharing may be unwise, but it's not unethical. In the second case, not sharing is unethical.

 

In no case do I have the right to give you shit over the mods you make, either because of sharing or because I don't like the content. Pointless bitching and trolling lost Oblivion dozens of good modders over the years, from big names to small.

 

Peace.

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Do you agree or disagree on certain forum, restricting the sharing of mods?

 

A)Maybe as far as registered or unregistered users.

 

If the mod is origional creation, does the modder have the right to control distrubition?

 

A)Sure if its 100% original i don't see a problem with the idea.

 

If the mod is a recolor or a modification of an existing mod, does the editor have a right to control distribution?

 

A)Only so far as the original author or the redone/tweaked material was concerned or stated in their mod. For instance if the original material author said FFA it then post your recolors or at least send a link to people who pm you.

 

How about people that only post picture, or gif, then disappear without a word?

 

A)Generally I think they should at least have the courtesy to put in a description that its not public. Other than that it's teasing to the point of cruelty most times when people spend weeks looking for it.

 

And what is your opinion on forum that requires "points" and "gold" to "buy" download, and the way to earn said Point are by posting.

Should people be forced to participate in order to get the goods?

 

A)Necro-ing threads and spam. with all the fluff posts finding actual useful information becomes a pain

 

 

 

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There is no feud with moderteam that I'm aware of.

I just don't like the way they operate, and I on principle dislike hypocrisy which I think they are very guilty of.

Their members (not all of them) take advantage of the free sharing among other mod communities then put an iron wall around their own.

 

But if you show a pic of a mod you've made' date=' that doesn't give me the right to demand you hand me a copy of your work. You did it; you put the time in. It's yours. I can ask for a copy; it's up to you to say yes or no.[/quote']

 

No, but posting pics for the express purpose of playing "keep away" as you say is a load of crap.

 

If you used some of my work to make yours, then yes, you should share. That's reciprocity, and if you don't share you're breaking the implied agreement and I'm much less likely to share my work in the future. But that's not the same issue.

 

1) You make something. That's yours. You can do what you want with it. If you expect me to share with you in the future, you should probably share it with me, but it is your choice.

 

2) You use something I've made to make something. I have a reasonable expectation to ask you to share. If you don't, you've violated reciprocity, and I have no reason to share with you in the future.

 

Two issues. Related, but separate. In the first case, not sharing may be unwise, but it's not unethical. In the second case, not sharing is unethical.

 

In no case do I have the right to give you shit over the mods you make, either because of sharing or because I don't like the content. Pointless bitching and trolling lost Oblivion dozens of good modders over the years, from big names to small.

 

Peace.

 

I for one have never hassled anyone over a mod, and I have been as supportive of mods as I can be, offering input and help where I can.

I simply think that the modding community as a whole benefits from sharing. Hell like I said, the modders that withold their work benefit from sharing!

In other words share and share alike. There will always be tosspots and unappreciative idiots, but that's how people are. Why should they ruin things for the rest of us?

 

 

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Reminds me of an article I read by Wrye, about the parlor vs cathedral view. While I prefer the cathedral view, where once a piece is contributed it can't be taken back and can freely be built upon by others, it's every modder's right to choose. I do object to people who take from others but don't share their own work as freely, however. That said, I do have a number of mods I made that I can't share, either because they have stuff ripped from games I own, or because they are made with a lot of stuff from other people that I can't be bothered to ask for permission.

 

Also I don't see how forcing people to post before downloading is going to improve a site in any way. I know you can't force people to post after the fact, but that IS usually the time they have the most useful things to say, like what they think of the mod. If such posts get drowned in a stream of "oh cool, I'm downloading this now!"-nonsense, it's very counterproductive.

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I voted that once you put it up it is free content. To explain I am not trying to rob or degrade mod makers in anyway shape or form! To be quite honest I am only gifted enough to manipulate mod content and not able yet to create (God willing and the creak don't rise I will get there someday!!!). So I Greatly respect and admire folks who make mods. Having said all that I still believe that if you post it you should let others borrow (properly crediting you!!!!) content to help further the making of other mods.

 

Points and posts and all that crap are just that.......crap!!! They don't guarantee that someone will contribute. A better system is to simply make a free and open site that tries to attract good mod makers and good members who have a good attitude (unashamed plug for this site!!!!!!!) and you will see the community thrive!

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Do you agree or disagree on certain forum, restricting the sharing of mods?

 

It depends on the stuff a forum have. No preferences cuz the result will tell the truth.

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If the mod is origional creation, does the modder have the right to control distrubition?

 

Sure, why not?

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If the mod is a recolor or a modification of an existing mod, does the editor have a right to control distribution?

 

 

All the modification is original. Author have the rights. An existing mod is a modification to the original games. What will u do if game companies say no? Just modify it as usual. As long as u guys have credits.

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How about people that only post picture, or gif, then disappear without a word?

 

Again even pics are a man's original work. So again Why Not?

It's really not cool, but we can't complain about it.

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And what is your opinion on forum that requires "points" and "gold" to "buy" download, and the way to earn said Point are by posting.

Should people be forced to participate in order to get the goods?

 

Again depend on the stuff that a forum have. Maybe it's good because some "Texturer" will public their mods for some forum gold to buy other stuff, that's will be awesome. At least we get a way to have it. On the other hand it's a little bit fussy and make people feel bad.

 

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Do you agree or disagree on certain forum' date=' restricting the sharing of mods?

 

If the mod is origional creation, does the modder have the right to control distrubition?

 

If the mod is a recolor or a modification of an existing mod, does the editor have a right to control distrubition?

 

How about people that only post picture, or gif, then disappear without a word?

 

And what is your opinion on forum that requires "points" and "gold" to "buy" download, and the way to earn said Point are by posting.

Should people be forced to participate in order to get the goods?

 

There is no right or wrong, and this topic is meant for the discussion and venting of your opinion.

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1.In my opinion it is infuriating that sites like naver and other Korean forums have such strict entrance mandates, but in the end it's their community and pounding your head in the sand won't change anything. Been there, done that.

 

2. Very touchy, but I will have to say I would respect a modders decision to control, though again I kinda get pissed when they do that, but also there are instances where maybe they want to share, but don't know a safe way to distribute the mod where they can control flow. I know plenty of guys who make races and really don't want everyone going around with there races.

 

3. Same as 2, but I feel going around showing it off is kinda rude, a personal mod should remain personal, not something you wave around. I've seen a creator of a mod who made a cool piece of armor, and some guy posted some pics showing off his better textures, and refused to share. Is it his right to keep it, yeah....but that doesn't mean it's right to do so.

 

4. I would have to say they don't disappear, they happily post there stuff elsewhere, so bug them there, most will give you the middle finger but if your nice someone will talk to ya, and may even share stuff.I feel people simply don't have the google fu to find their Naver accounts. Sure, this may seem strange but many are more comfortable in their little clicks, so you have a better shot at getting what you want.

 

5. Question is a double edged sword, you can say that it's bs they have the system, but those modders then lose their ability to control there mod, but requiring people to post and follow very strict guidelines slowly erode a community, and could be intimidating to some, thus losing support. I feel to each his own community, for me to say they are right or wrong would be dumb because I'm not in there loop, so of course I would be bias to be against them. I feel the question should be asked of people who go to those communities and participate, and I'll let you know that most like the format, or the community wouldn't exist. You can see sites like f3underground (or whatever they call themselves) slowly lose support and crumble due to lack of money. Sites like this are bound to fail unless they have a very loyal community, which the Japanese have in terms of modders and 3dgame.So is it right or wrong, I feel there is no right answer because people on the outside want and the people inside wish to protect, it's a stalemate unless those sites crumble also.

 

God wall of text :s

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Do you agree or disagree on certain forum, restricting the sharing of mods?

 

I believe it should be up to the modder if he/she wants to share it or not. The modder should share it through the forums if thats where it was created.

 

If the mod is origional creation, does the modder have the right to control distrubition?

 

Sure. If you want to keep it between friends why not? Will that better the modding community? No. Will it inspire new mods? No. Will it make you feel good that you protected the mod that you spent countless hours on? Depends... But why create a mod if you don't want to share it?

 

If the mod is a recolor or a modification of an existing mod, does the editor have a right to control distrubition?

 

Sure. You made changes to it. You should ALWAYS credit the original modder and whoever you stole the rest from, but the end result is still your creation. And don't share it unless it's okey for the original modder. I know I would be pissed if I found my stuff among kiddie porn or similar things...

 

How about people that only post picture, or gif, then disappear without a word?

 

I don't really miss em... It's sad that they feel the need to announce it to the world then refuse to share it, but it's their choice.

 

And what is your opinion on forum that requires "points" and "gold" to "buy" download, and the way to earn said Point are by posting.

Should people be forced to participate in order to get the goods?

 

I think it's a horrible way to do it. It close off some mods to a restricted group with no sharing across communities. I might have ended up on another forum if they didn't have stuff like that up, but I would say that an open forum like loverslab have los of helpful and creative people willing to work together to make good mods. And that without having to post 50 interesting posts or get gold or whatnot they have people doing nowadays... Just look at the Fallout section, the last two months the activity there has exploded and we have lots of new projects going! And people that didn't know how to mod are trying to learn just so that they can contribute to the community. (Those of you who know animations should really pop in there some day and learn us how to do it... ;) )

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Well, it's easy to talk about how important sharing is when you only know the side of the receiving end, aka the folks that download stuff. Having released a few crappy mods on my own I got more of an insight what someone who decides to share his work with others may think.

 

1.: You always get stupid complaints. You release a non-BBB armor, then people will ask for a BBB version. You release a BBB version, people will ask for a non-BBB version. You release an armor for a certain cup size, people will criticize even that. Either it's too large for their taste and therefore objectifying women (I call that the white knight syndrome) or it's too small. Sometimes people are just too stupid to read the description or readme, thus bothering you even more.

 

2.: Moral bias. Yup. Sure, Lovers Lab is pretty nice in that regard, but if I were to release something that people in general don't like here (for example anything loli-related is a hot topic) a shitstorm would ensue. So I don't only have to deal with the work itself that the mods needs in order to be finished, no, after that I have to defend myself why I would do such immoral stuff.

 

3.: You almost never get useable feedback. Most comments about your mods are either the complaints mentioned above, silly "great work!" posts (although it's always nice to read that once in a while, I have to admit) or most commonly, people say nothing at all.

 

 

From what I have seen so far, points 1 and 2 are almost exclusive to western communities. That's why I can understand why many communities decide to make it as hard as possible to be a part of their community - to keep the westerners out.

 

Like I said, that's what I have experienced. Not that that necessarily describes the truth. Just a matter of personal experience and all that.

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A modder has a right to either keep a mod to himself or release it. If he releases it however it isn't his anymore, it belongs to the internet. He should get credit of course, and he should be asked before his work is used in other work but other then that he should have no control. It's arbitrary and stupid when modder try to control who uses their mods when they release them to the general public.

 

Imagine if you will a famous painter saying "I don't want any black people to see this painting, I made it and I decide who gets to look at it."

 

Ridiculous...

 

They didn't charge money for the mod. They have no commercial claim over it because it's free content. They may have made it but once it hits the internet it belongs to everyone.

 

If they want to keep it private they should keep it to themselves.

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Well, being a modder (no, I was a modder before FF race) I did make things that I shared with my friends and never planned to release.I don't think the internet is place that is always on open season. Sure, I'm not allowed to make money for my work, but I feel I should have at least some say in how it's distributed and who gets it.

 

Here is my example.

A painter paints a picture for someone and gives it to him. He puts it up on display so people along the street can see the work you did. Now three things can happen.

 

1. It's stolen (like Ren's work, and why he doesn't mod anymore)

2. People ask about it and said painter gets work (most modders are like this)

3. People demand for that particular picture, which by making copies kills the worth and pride that went into a piece of artwork.

 

I make personal mods and I like sharing the screenshots of because it makes me happy. Though I have been accused of doing this just to piss people off at the nexus I'm nice and do share stuff if people ask nicely (which is surprising to see people demand I give them my work, which in that case I simply ignore them). By sharing it I would lose interest, along with getting every single copy of that mod to work with every different setup of Oblivion. Knowing this, I can see why myself and many others simply don't share the mods. Now I don't consider my work pieces of art, but they hold a value that someone can't have the same feeling for. Besides, if everyone had the same "cool" races and the same armor, then there is no more fun.

 

Like I said in my post earlier, there is no right answer or right way of doing things. There will always be people that want and those that have. We just have yet to find a balance between the two.

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Well, people can't steal from you what you've already given away, and giving only to a select few will very quickly invoke jealousy, until someone decides to play Robin Hood.

 

That said, I can understand why people will try to keep stuff in a select community. Mod users tend to act like consumers as they do IRL, and will quickly forget the stuff is being given, not bought. You don't look a gift horse in the mouth and you certainly don't demand a better one.

 

So I think it's give and take. Mod makers could sometimes do with a bit thicker skin, because you'll always get some noobs making ridiculous demands or negative comments. And mod users should realise at all times that mods are a gift. If you don't like it as it is, you can respectfully say why that is, or you can quietly toss it away. Noone is forcing you to use it, and you have no right to make demands.

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Well' date=' being a modder (no, I was a modder before FF race) I did make things that I shared with my friends and never planned to release.I don't think the internet is place that is always on open season. Sure, I'm not allowed to make money for my work, but I feel I should have at least some say in how it's distributed and who gets it.

 

Here is my example.

A painter paints a picture for someone and gives it to him. He puts it up on display so people along the street can see the work you did. Now three things can happen.

 

1. It's stolen (like Ren's work, and why he doesn't mod anymore)

2. People ask about it and said painter gets work (most modders are like this)

3. People demand for that particular picture, which by making copies kills the worth and pride that went into a piece of artwork.

 

I make personal mods and I like sharing the screenshots of because it makes me happy. Though I have been accused of doing this just to piss people off at the nexus I'm nice and do share stuff if people ask nicely (which is surprising to see people demand I give them my work, which in that case I simply ignore them). By sharing it I would lose interest, along with getting every single copy of that mod to work with every different setup of Oblivion. Knowing this, I can see why myself and many others simply don't share the mods. Now I don't consider my work pieces of art, but they hold a value that someone can't have the same feeling for. Besides, if everyone had the same "cool" races and the same armor, then there is no more fun.

 

Like I said in my post earlier, there is no right answer or right way of doing things. There will always be people that want and those that have. We just have yet to find a balance between the two.

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When you give it to your select group of friends they can do whatever they want with it. If they want to give it away to everyone else who are you to say they can't? You are the one who gave it to them in the first place. I understand that a mod is a lot of work but adding stipulations onto a "gift" (your word not mine) is absurd.

 

Imagine if I were to give you a lawnmower for your birthday. Then I tell you that you can only use it on saturdays, and in the afternoon... oh and you have to ask my explicit permission first. And you can't give it away or sell it to anyone or let anyone else look at it.

 

Like I said, if modders want it private, they should keep it to themselves. But they shouldn't start giving it out to people and then get mad when "too many people have it".

 

The entitlement of some modders is disgusting. Then again the entitlement of people who pester and harass mod makers is disgusting too.

 

 

Well' date=' people can't steal from you what you've already given away, and giving only to a select few will very quickly invoke jealousy, until someone decides to play Robin Hood.

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^ This pretty much.

 

To sum up my argument:

 

Once you release your mod (to anyone) it's not yours anymore. You may have made it but it doesn't BELONG to you like a piece of property. Because by giving it away (to anyone) you sacrifice that right. Just as by giving a gift to someone you don't own that gift anymore.

 

 

Besides' date=' if everyone had the same "cool" races and the same armor, then there is no more fun.

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This kind of mentality disturbs me greatly. If the only value that you can place on something is because "other people don't have it" then you don't truly value it at all.

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Well, the value of something is not simply placed on the idea that "look at me, I has a very cool shiny, and yous don't has it". That would be obviously rude, but showing something one has created is wrong?

 

I also have gotten in way to much trouble for sharing stuff that were suppose to be private. Sure you make someone happy, but stepping on peoples feet doesn't make friends. It's like the guys who all the make photoshop art and post it on deviant art or make plushies and other crafts. Are they required to make copies for every person that wants your awesome Deadpool plushy? They show pictures because they want to show what they do, not go around and say "Look at me". It can be seen this way, but most times than not they want to showcase the hard work they put into making something unique.

 

Well I can never change ones opinion, they are a matter of a fact opinions. I personally have been wronged a few times and I've only recently started to throw stuff online. Like I say, there is no right answer.

 

 

Also, I just want to say I don't post stuff to show off, I doesn't even cross my mind when I upload pics. MY policy of "private" doesn't mean it will never be released. People ask, I share, I just don't go everywhere and try to share my stuff. Most guys online are the same. Sure there are a few people who will be rude, but I've found most guys are nice. Obviously people are pissed off that certain mods belong to certain communities, but asking doesn't hurt.

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Well' date=' the value of something is not simply placed on the idea that "look at me, I has a very cool shiny, and yous don't has it". That would be obviously rude, but showing something one has created is wrong?

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That's not what I said at all ;). Read again:

 

Besides' date=' if everyone had the same "cool" races and the same armor, then there is no more fun.

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This kind of mentality disturbs me greatly. If the only value that you can place on something is because "other people don't have it" then you don't truly value it at all.

 

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I also have gotten in way to much trouble for sharing stuff that were suppose to be private. Sure you make someone happy' date=' but stepping on peoples feet doesn't make friends.

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If they didn't want it public they shouldn't have shared it.

 

Also' date=' I just want to say I don't post stuff to show off, I doesn't even cross my mind when I upload pics. MY policy of "private" doesn't mean it will never be released. People ask, I share, I just don't go everywhere and try to share my stuff. Most guys online are the same. Sure there are a few people who will be rude, but I've found most guys are nice.

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That is very cool of you. If more modders looked to your example the internet would be a better place. Just don't get pissed off if tons of people end of having copies of your mods.

 

Obviously people are pissed off that certain mods belong to certain communities' date=' but asking doesn't hurt.

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That's not quite the issue. The issue is with modders throwing temper tantrums because they gave out their mods to a few people and people share them without their "permission". They pull their mods and do everything thing they can to rip them down because once everyone has them they aren't "special" or "exclusive" anymore, and that in their eyes lowers their value. Which is stupid.

 

Go ahead. Make me jump through hoops to get your mod. I'll be apart of your community and do whatever it is you ask. It's your right as a modder to decide who YOU give your mods to. But once I've done that and you have given your mod to me it's mine to do with as I please. That includes giving copies of it to other people who don't want to jump through your hoops. Because you sacrificed that right when you gave it to me. Only a greedy, vain, egotistical asshole would care that his mod is shared "too freely" because only said asshole sees the value of his mod solely in its exclusivity. Any normal person would be flattered that his mod is so popular.

 

See what I'm trying to say?

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Well I get your point now. The issue is not that the mod is made to be private and stays with a group of people, but the issue is certain mod authors who get angry that there mod is now found else where instead of their little blog page. I simply like to know where my mod is going, but could careless if it's shared. I do understand what you mean about sharing now, and is something I do to get mods I want. Well, at least now I get what you mean (I hope, :s)

 

 

That is very cool of you. If more modders looked to your example the internet would be a better place. Just don't get pissed off if tons of people end of having copies of your mods.

 

 

I don't when I share mods because I intend to have them mod online. When I share a mod is because I'm starting a new project. I don't like releasing incomplete stuff or something I could have fixed. Others modders though do tend to be protective, but I've found some success in getting some mods. Other times I get the middle finger but that's something one has to deal with.

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Ownership of the mod should always rest with the creator.

 

But a mod is different from a commercial product; you own no copyright to it. There is nothing to stop others from using it, but they should always credit the original creator.

 

Trying to stop unfettered distribution and improvement of a mod once on the internet is about as effective as trying to stop a hurricane by pissing into it.

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@legit1337

Well I get your point now. The issue is not that the mod is made to be private and stays with a group of people' date=' but the issue is certain mod authors who get angry that there mod is now found else where instead of their little blog page. I simply like to know where my mod is going, but could careless if it's shared. I do understand what you mean about sharing now, and is something I do to get mods I want. Well, at least now I get what you mean (I hope, :s)

 

 

That is very cool of you. If more modders looked to your example the internet would be a better place. Just don't get pissed off if tons of people end of having copies of your mods.

 

 

I don't when I share mods because I intend to have them mod online. When I share a mod is because I'm starting a new project. I don't like releasing incomplete stuff or something I could have fixed. Others modders though do tend to be protective, but I've found some success in getting some mods. Other times I get the middle finger but that's something one has to deal with.

 

Glad I got my point across. Yes sometimes people don't want to share and that's that. Nothing you can do really, even if it is rude. But if they are prepared to share with one person they better be prepared to share with everyone :).

 

Ownership of the mod should always rest with the creator.

 

Ownership yes... until he/she chooses to share it. Then the ownership is forfeit.

 

Just for the lols...

 

I think I read somewhere that mods made for oblivion are all property of Bethesda anyway. If so, the entire debate is moot.

 

Also, I know for a fact that it is against the EULA and therefore illegal to charge anyone currency (real or virtual) for a mod made for oblivion. So technically all those Chinese sites like moderteam who charge people forum gold are breaking the law.

 

... and yet they claim moral superiority.

 

Oh the irony.

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I believe the original author should have control over the use of their mod, but it should be enforced like a copyright. Some mods out there haven't been updated and/or the modder is simply gone. How would I get their permission? Why can't someone fix their broken mod? It should have some sort of time limit of "dead" or "unsupported" mods. An excellent example is Wsex tryout.

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Sort of touched on this in another post recently, but I'll put my thoughts on the matter down here as well.

 

Do you agree or disagree on certain forum, restricting the sharing of mods?

Disagree, other than just requiring a simple registration.

 

If the mod is origional creation, does the modder have the right to control distrubition?

I think that if a modder requests that their work not be hosted elsewhere, and its easily available from their source, then it should be respected. This lasts until their source is no longer available.

 

In the past, I've had my own site for showcasing my mods and had downloads to all of them, no registration or anything required either. I just asked that instead of rehosting my files, people link back to my site.

 

If the mod is a recolor or a modification of an existing mod, does the editor have a right to control distrubition?

Absolutely, in such as way as I described above.

 

How about people that only post picture, or gif, then disappear without a word?

I think its a dick move. I've personally always gone with "don't post it unless you want to distribute it". Closest I've done is post pics while its in beta and not release until its finished. But I always release it.

 

And what is your opinion on forum that requires "points" and "gold" to "buy" download, and the way to earn said Point are by posting.

Should people be forced to participate in order to get the goods?

If that's how they want to run the site, its fine. However I say its fair game to rehost the mods elsewhere.

 

 

Didn't really seem to fit under any of those questions, so I'll add some more here. I think the whole permission thing is ridiculous. If a modder has asked that people not reuse their work or redistribute it, then yes people should ask for permission. However, if they didn't, I think it should be recognised that it's a modding community, people will mod your stuff. I do feel strongly that credit should absolutely always be given to the original makers though, preferably with a link or something so people can easily find the original. There's nothing wrong with asking permission, but the response seen (primarily on nexus) is ridiculous when people don't.

 

 

Didn't actually vote because I don't feel any of the options reflect what I feel. I'm closest to "Once a mod is on the internet, it is free for all", but I do think modders should be allowed to say where it's hosted, as long as it's easily accessible to users.

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